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Garoad Kuroda
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02-16-2004 11:54
Anyone here have an opinion about these people?

http://english.aljazeera.net

I've read (heh..) that they "aren't biased" and that they try to get both sides of a story, etc. I doubt this.

Any opinions?
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Pepper Monde
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02-16-2004 12:00
Aren't all news organizations biased? Except some are more than others for example: the LA Times, the NY Times, BBC, Fox News etc.

Aljazeera takes it to the extreme though.
Garoad Kuroda
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02-16-2004 12:24
Well, of course that's the opinion of most rational people. But I have someone claiming that this one is either not biased, or less biased than pretty much anything.

I don't exactly get my news from them, though :rolleyes: so it's tough to make a point about it.
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02-16-2004 18:11
If Al-Jazeera was my primary/only news source, I'd probably be pretty biased too.

Well, maybe not.

But, I feel really sad for folks who don't have at least a reasonably unbiased alternative.

We of course can come to the SL forums for unbiased news and intelligent discourse... :D

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Corwin Weber
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02-16-2004 18:16
Al-Jazeera has their good points and their bad points. Overall they seem to at least TRY to avoid being nothing more than a mouthpiece for the radical fringe of Islam.... once in a while they actually succeed too.

They have a tendency to be a bit.... overly credulous of various claims as long as they're being made by muslims.

They're not quite the muslim Fox News.... but they aren't as far off it as some people seem to think.
Teeny Leviathan
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02-16-2004 19:16
Al-Jazeera is basically what happens when the media and popular opinion are controlled by a handful of people. Of course, any lessons to be learned here are totally lost on Micheal Powell and the FCC. They would rather spend their time rewinding that halftime show tape and pretending to be offended.
Garoad Kuroda
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02-16-2004 20:47
Can't say I disagree...

Nobody wants to really defend them though, huh? (good, I suppose)
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Corwin Weber
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02-16-2004 21:46
From: someone
Originally posted by Garoad Kuroda
Can't say I disagree...

Nobody wants to really defend them though, huh? (good, I suppose)


I'll defend them as far as I feel they deserve. They frequently try to be objective.... in fact more so than many other media outlets, both here and in that region.

Operative word being try.
Chip Midnight
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02-16-2004 21:51
From: someone
Originally posted by Teeny Leviathan
Al-Jazeera is basically what happens when the media and popular opinion are controlled by a handful of people. Of course, any lessons to be learned here are totally lost on Micheal Powell and the FCC. They would rather spend their time rewinding that halftime show tape and pretending to be offended.


*applauds* Amen to that Teeny. The mainstream news outlets in this country are no better than al-jazeera. They're just as biased and just as sensationalized.
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Moopf Murray
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02-17-2004 00:01
Haven't really seen enough of the channel to make a comment directly on the topic of this thread but I do remember reading that a large number of the journalists etc. that work for the channel cut their teeth by working for the BBC, primarily in the World Service, I believe.
Zana Feaver
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02-17-2004 05:26
I thought "objectivity" was a "rule" that developed in American journalism over the last 100 years or so (it didn't exist pre the "yellow journalism" scandal early last century) and that it wasn't necessairly an ideal among the journalisms of other countries -- it might be depending on the country but not necessiarily? I'm not saying that American journalist succeed at being objective (some do but honestly -- as the deconstructionists say -- what is objectivity anyway? Are we sure it actually exists? Probably not, considering all writers, journalist or not, filter the world through their own POV), I'm just saying that Al Jazeera might not even function under the mandate of objectivity, which would make the whole "biased" argument mute. Right?

Or do I have my journalism history wrong? :)

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Lensey Roark
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02-17-2004 06:01
Is this your first time hearing about Al-Jazeera?
Devlin Gallant
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02-17-2004 06:10
If you think they are objective, check out the cartoons at tha above posted site.
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James Miller
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02-17-2004 06:53
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/54C8AFC7-8C97-4C4F-B38D-D41E6169C42E.htm

Isn't it interesting how almost EVERY link on that site is accusing or blaming Israel and the Jews for doing something? Puh-leaze.
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Garoad Kuroda
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02-17-2004 07:10
Good find with the cartoons...too bad they aren't very good. Oh well

If the "first time hearing about" question was directed at me....ummmmmmmm no, of course not. :rolleyes: If it wasn't then nevermind.:p

Zana, I see what you're saying. Informational mediums that don't claim to be objective (and openly present opinion with fact) are usually called "entertainment shows" though. ;) Well, that's how it supposed to work. Of course now news = entertainment as well, at least in the US. That's kind of sickening (although there are some US news sources that don't do this).

I know for a fact that many (I assume most) non-US news sources don't focus as much on "entertainment". I think it's a by-product of capitalism (competition). When the competition becomes too great, journalists get more and more pressure to make things more interesting to increase their competitive ratings. Apparently competition and news don't go together well. So that aspect of the news isn't entirely their fault, it's ...capitalism's fault. :(
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Adam Zaius
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02-17-2004 11:24
From: someone
Originally posted by James Miller
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/54C8AFC7-8C97-4C4F-B38D-D41E6169C42E.htm

Isn't it interesting how almost EVERY link on that site is accusing or blaming Israel and the Jews for doing something? Puh-leaze.


Not to seem like an antisematic - however Israel is equally to blame for that stupid conflict, and the U.S. does have a favourable foreign policy towards israel compared to palestine. But that's as far as I will go myself. Hopefully someone will go over there and bash the living crap out of all the extremists in both camps. I vote for maddox.

As for Al Jazeera - I'm not defending them, they are biased, but no more than FOX.

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Garoad Kuroda
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02-18-2004 11:38
Actually we already had an Israel topic recently, and I recall that we flamed both sides pretty well done. :p

Israel is a good topic to look at though, to find bias in Al Jazeera.
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02-18-2004 11:39
*cough *cough... oh politics.. *steers clear* whoops road bump! Oh well....
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Garoad Kuroda
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02-18-2004 19:53
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
Bodhi Kojima
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02-19-2004 06:09
Well, I guess if we can have the clowns at Fox News on the airwaves, fair is fair.
Garoad Kuroda
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02-19-2004 11:36
I'm still waiting for someone to show me something that Fox has "said" which demonstrates that they are so biased (I don't watch Fox myself).

But Bodhi.....have you met Bhodi yet? OMG NAME SIMILARITIES omgomg
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WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!