Arianna Daguerre...

You claimed that you removed all of my textures you had for sale, and yet I'm STILL getting messages and landmarks from people who are finding them, with the prices still jacked sky-high.

Do you just not remember where you sell your merchandise, or are we going to continue on this way until each and every one is found individually and you're asked to remove them? Will it make any difference to know that it is your potential customers who are IMing me and letting me know you're trying to rip them off with my textures? If you removed the textures created by other, you might have more sales.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you simply mistook my textures for yours, and I removed my negative ratings the second time you were asked to remove the merchandise from sale.

In case I wasn't clear enough the first and second time we spoke about this, let me rephrase:
PLEASE REMOVE ALL OF MY MERCHANDISE FROM SALE, IN EVERY LOCATION YOU HAVE IT FOR SALE, NOT JUST THE ONES I HAPPEN TO IM YOU FROM.

Thank you.

Hire a hit squad?

Did you try iming Arianna before yu posted in the forums? or just came here first? curious...

She does say she'd asked ... twice.

Yes that was the other time, which I am aware of, but I was referring to this other location she found her textures at

The only reason I ask is because Arianna is person that is understanding and can be talked to rationally... and perhaps was unaware of this other location? So maybe to keep the peace an IM regarding this new location would be more appropriate then this thread...

OK, point taken

Yes, I did message her. Just as I messaged her the last two times after she swore everything had been removed.

Arianna might be a him. Using his wife's old account.

I had removed all the Bundled textures that I had up and forgot that I had one out on an island owned br Crimson & Monte.

Out of 70 textures in the bundle, only 7 were yours, I counted.

Now my bundle has 63 textures not 70.

And another thing, get your prices straight - the bundles were being sold for 300L not 500L, 5 lindens per texture. Is that price sky high? I think not. Retail value for 70 textures is 700L (10L per texture to download)

Honestly Jonquille, the fuss you are making over 7 textures in a bundle of 70 is unbelievable. I appoligized, I made a 500L donation, I took them down and forgot about all but 1 (I think). If more are out there and I forgot about them, if they are found, then I will gladly remove them if for no other reason than to have you just leave me alone.

But be it known, I didn't make these textures copy/mod/& resellable - you did. I wonder, do you spend all your time hunting down your textures, repremanding everyone that resells your textures or just me.

I made an honest mistake after you told me that 1/2 the textures in the bundle were yours, well sweets, there were only 7 not 35 of them. I also made the same mistake with some textures of yours in vendors of mine, they too have been taken down.

Maybe it is you who should collect all your textures and reset them as not to be resold by others. I can only imagine the grief you would give them.

And just for the record, I am a him and now portray myself in game as a him. My wife signed up for the trial of 7 days after Uru online was closed and didn't like it here. So yes , I took over her account.

I would like to make you an offer Jonquille, put your textures out at both my locations and u can sell them. No rent will be charged for you for 4 months, the time I have been in SL. If this will make you happy and we can get past it all the better for both of us.

The Textures I sell are all copy, mod, resellable as well....but not so the textures themselves can be sold.

Textures are sold with full permisions so that the purchaser may create with them and then be able to sell their finished product. If the the texture isn't resellable then the creation they made with the texture is not resellable.

There are many things in the world that are copy/mod/resell and its becoming a problem with people selling others goods....it shouldn't be a problem because the creator thought ahead about the people they were going to be selling to and their needs.

I am 4 months into this game and I am sure there is alot i still do not know or understand, what I do know is that I made a mistake and tried to make up for it. Then after reading this thread and posting to it , I read another called the wall of shame, obviously refering to Jon and I's incident.

I come SL to get away from problems of the Real World and enjoy myself. Sensual is right about me, I am reasonable and always willing to do the right thing. As far as I'm concerned, Blacklisting others with a wall of shame is wrong, embellishing the truth about a situation in your favor is wrong.

I for one will have no more of it. I am under no obligation to anyone in this game save myself. I do things because I am a good person. Over 200 people read this thread before I could post my reply, so tell me, what is their impression of me now? Will it hurt my in game establishments?

I publicly appoligized in other threads and am tired of doing it. I MADE A F**KING MISTAKE, THAT IS ALL!!!

Good rule of thumb: If you didnt create it then dont sell it.

Unless permission is received from the creator.

Textures are different than anything else sold in SL. Full permissions need to be granted so that they can be adjusted, used more than once and making the object you put them on available for sale.

People that put restrictions on the textures they sell are making them useless and a waste of money.

No, everyone... Just as I do to everyone I find selling newbie items and freebies... I'm a lil worse though, I also do it for things I didn't create - such as linden made items, others communtiy donations.....



Yeah Jon! you nasty bitch! how dare you set things so people can use them again!....

I wonder how long I'd last if I used llPushObject() against everyone and everything -- honestly if it wasn't meant for me to use it, it would never have been included in LSL.

Or if I shot everyone in the head who has land damage enabled... Particle scripts on everyones land with scripts, and huge 10x10 plywood cubes wherever there was build enabled.

I mean after all, thier land has build and scripts set -- if they didn't mean for me to do that, they would obviously turn them off....



Point is those items are sold at $1, acutally sold at a loss as a service to the community - to get new players started. The money, in terms of self-profit, never has - or will be the issue.

Most of the people contributing these goods and services already have quite successful SL businesses / occupations.. it's something they are doing to try and 'give back'..

Oh, and there isn't a wall of shame btw..

Siggy.

Siggy you can be as condesending as u like, bottom line, its not your name that someone is smearing in forums for a mistake u did when u were 30 - 60 days in SL. Its demeaning, insulting , and childish.

Your point is well taken Siggy, and I do know right from wrong which is why I immediately pulled the textures from my for sale items. Don't pretend that these textures in no way create a profit even at $1L each for a seller. But I agree that the intention probably was not for profit as much as to help out a newbie.

Maybe forums like these are made for Drama and this makes for good pickings, but I have done everything I can to make things right between us and its really getting old for me.

Here's an idea, maybe if someone could just attach me to a burning stake on someones unsafe land Jonquille would feel enough retribution and let it go.

I don't pretend to know - I know for a fact.

I know for a fact that they don't... it takes $10 dollars to upload a texture -- selling for a bundle of 10 or so for a dollar, you'd have to sell 100 just to break even on one - at 10 or so you'd need to sell 1000 - again, just to break even.

On a REALLY GOOD day you'd make 20 sales - so if every day was really good, you'd break even in 50 days -- PROVIDED you did nothing to expand your line..

I know the figures well - I was one of the founders of that place - and had to convince several people that it was a worthwhile project that they wouldn't ever see a dime for..

Jonquille is also a reasonable person -- I'm sure that if she were to walk through your store and everything was on the up and up, she'd be the first to offer to put a RATE seal over your door.

As for nailing to crosses - et. al.
Sure, if thats what floats your boat... I'm sure I could get a nice custom anim and perhaps a couple of stigmata particle emitters running.
(thats how you do sarcasm)

Originally posted by Arianna Daguerre
I had removed all the Bundled textures that I had up and forgot that I had one out on an island owned br Crimson & Monte.

Out of 70 textures in the bundle, only 7 were yours, I
counted.

Of that particular bundle, 8 were mine. The brick, and a marble. Of those you had in 2 of your vendors, Glass and Brick, all but 2 or 3 were mine. A few too many for an honest mistake, and they remained there after you said you would remove my textures.

Now my bundle has 63 textures not 70.

And another thing, get your prices straight - the bundles were being sold for 300L not 500L, 5 lindens per texture. Is that price sky high? I think not. Retail value for 70 textures is 700L (10L per texture to download)

Considering I sell my textures in bundles for L$1, and you're reselling them for $5 dollars each, after having no initial upload cost to make up for at all, (overhead) Yes, that is sky high.

Honestly Jonquille, the fuss you are making over 7 textures in a bundle of 70 is unbelievable. I appoligized, I made a 500L donation, I took them down and forgot about all but 1 (I think). If more are out there and I forgot about them, if they are found, then I will gladly remove them if for no other reason than to have you just leave me alone.

Yes, the first time I contacted you, you swore you would remove the textures and you apologized. The second time I contacted you, regarding the bundle you swore you would remove my textures from, plus 2 vendors filled with my textures, you swore you would remove them, and apologized again. Quite honestly, I don't need a third excuse or apology. That game is old and stale now, and your promise doesn't hold a lot of water.

But be it known, I didn't make these textures copy/mod/& resellable - you did. I wonder, do you spend all your time hunting down your textures, repremanding everyone that resells your textures or just me.

I don't hunt down my textures at all. Your customers IM me and tell me you're ripping them off with my textures, so I don't have to. As for making my textures copy/mod/transfer, yes I do. Of course I do. What good are textures without full permissions? If I didn't make them copy and transfer, they would be useless, as I'm sure you well know, along with everyone else. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. I also have my land build and script enabled.. I suppose that's an invitation for people to come and rez stuff all over it and lag it out with particles. My fault for assuming anyone would be courteous when they weren't forced to.

I made an honest mistake after you told me that 1/2 the textures in the bundle were yours, well sweets, there were only 7 not 35 of them. I also made the same mistake with some textures of yours in vendors of mine, they too have been taken down.

Well pookie, all but 2 or 3 of the textures in 2 of your vendors, on your land, were mine. Was that an honest mistake as well? Did you forget you owned land you sold anything on? Somehow, I doubt it.

Maybe it is you who should collect all your textures and reset them as not to be resold by others. I can only imagine the grief you would give them.

I have removed my textures from sale, much to the disappointment of many people, because I am tired of dealing with liars and cheats. That'll teach me to try and help people out by making things affordable and usable. How unreasonable of me.

And just for the record, I am a him and now portray myself in game as a him. My wife signed up for the trial of 7 days after Uru online was closed and didn't like it here. So yes , I took over her account.

Your gender doesn't concern me. I don't let men resell my stuff either.

I would like to make you an offer Jonquille, put your textures out at both my locations and u can sell them. No rent will be charged for you for 4 months, the time I have been in SL. If this will make you happy and we can get past it all the better for both of us.

It's very generous of you to offer to allow me to sell my own stuff, and to suffer the dwell and business it would bring in, but no, thank you. They were already for sale in the GNU Wave Architects Dollar Store, where you bought them from, in bundles, for L$1, before you began reselling them for $5-$10 each. Now they are no longer for sale, because I don't like being a party to ripping people off, even if it is indirectly. I don't like having to deal with this daily, and having a disarmingly long list of people who want profit with no work or contribution involved. It's a bit too disheartening to realize that even in a world we create and can do wonderful things with, you still get bent over for trying to do something helpful. No good deed goes unpunished.

I have messaged you 3 times. The first was when it was pointed out to me that you were selling my textures. The second was when it was pointed out to me that you were still selling my textures. The third was when it was pointed out to me that you were still selling my textures.

I will 'let it go' when my textures are no longer for sale and you are no longer 'accidentally forgetting' where you sell them. That is the only contact I've had with you, so please save the sob story.

It seems to me you'd feel more comfortable on a cross than a burning stake, since you obviously enjoy making yourself the victim.

And incidentally.. The textures were for sale in bundles for L$1, not L$1 per texture.

Arianna is an honest person. He has a lot of stuff in a lot of places, he may have missed a couple vendors. Give him a chance.

Jonquille has been dealing with people jacking up her prices and reselling her stuff. All because she had the nerve to try to give it away. Shame on her for trying to be selfless. Because of this she is probably stressed on the subject and what looks like an innocent mistake to me might look more seedy to her.

You are both good people, and this thread saddens me.

That line made me crack up Jonquille

I have checked and rechecked the places I display my stuff and truely believe that your textures are not in any of my vendors or bundles.

Again, I will say to you, if you happen to see one of my vendors, display's, anything with your stuff in it, let me know and I will promptly take it down, no question.

Consequently, I have been looking not just for your stuff , but just to be sure, anyone elses textures as well. I believe that all has been set straight and this issue should now finally be resolved.

AGAIN, I AM SORRY FOR THE MIX UP, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE ME OR NOT.