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Donnie Donovan
Resident Slax0r
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
Posts: 120
11-18-2004 16:16
So if I don't respond to IM's now you know what's up.

Stating my case...

I pulled out my baretta and shot a newbie who came onto my property and set off some C4 knocking me and another new person into the next sim over. Isn't it only fair that I should be able to retaliate? Apparently he filed an abuse report... because what do ya know, I'm suspended until the 24th.

Gimme a break Lindens... investigate a little harder.
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Jack Digeridoo
machinimaniac
Join date: 29 Jul 2003
Posts: 1,170
11-18-2004 16:20
haw, haw
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
11-18-2004 16:22
If you don't like dispute resolution, Linden style, find a player government :)

(I'm not all that bad, Ulrika .. )
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Ursa Falcone
Rocket Scientist
Join date: 26 Mar 2004
Posts: 1,989
11-18-2004 16:27
I think if someone is griefing you on your property then you chould first have to warn them and second ... well, if they are still there then let 'em have it.
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Jeska Linden: I'm closing this thread because it's obviously overstepped the boundaries of useful conversation, even for the off-topic forum.
Foster Virgo
Registered User
Join date: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 175
11-18-2004 16:28
Welcome to the doghouse of the gun user in SL. Second Life... The place where you can design and operate your own guns, as long as you don't use or include bounce push scripts in your bullets...

What really gets to me about gun suspensions is the fact that they praise gunmakers openly and almost encourage you right out the gate with the friggin shooting range to get some weapons and then once your in the game enough to afford the seburo or another high speed gun with push capabilities you get suspended on the first abuse report.
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,097
11-18-2004 16:31
Linden labs clearly states on one of their opening lines when logging on to check the top of the screen for a heart and if ones there then thats a damage enabled area and you could DIE...everyone set your land for damage then LL has no recourse if you shoot a griefer....they sanctioned it :eek:
Damien Fate
Goofy designer
Join date: 6 Nov 2003
Posts: 634
11-18-2004 16:32
ahhh, sweet sweet justice.

At least Half Life 2 is now available in a store near YOU!

So go play that for a while ;)
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
11-18-2004 16:47
Random distribution of justice is indistinguishable from tyranny.

But then again I've been saying that for a year and being tyrannical doesn't seem to bother Linden Lab. Indeed, it seems that they rather enjoy it.

Their world, your imagination.

(and no, I don't even have an opinon on who's wrong or right, nor do I wish to have one)
Jauani Wu
pancake rabbit
Join date: 7 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,835
11-18-2004 17:30
let's not confuse real with virtual. LL OWNS the infrastructure that supports this world. if people want to enter the public sphere, this is not it. someone else restated this today in another thread - this is a private world. it is run by private interests. maybe if it is really successful it may become public one day, like some of the other aspects of the internet.

words like justice just don't have meaning here yet. i don't know if they ever will. is there injustice on the WWW?
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Ice Brodie
Head of Neo Mobius
Join date: 28 May 2004
Posts: 434
11-18-2004 18:06
As I recall, there are 3 functions of the property owner pie menu which are more practical than a berretta, "freeze" the individual, and tell them not to do that, if they agree to, then unfreeze them, you can also ban and boot, these are land tools, and if you tell the person /why/ you're doing it, you can't be retaliated against (doesn't hurt to tell Lindens about these actions as well)
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Cereal Milk
Magically Delicious
Join date: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 203
11-18-2004 18:53
Just so everyone knows, Donnie Donovan is the same guy who negbombed me with his alts, then over the course of the next month, assaulted me at every opportunity he got. Why? Because I made fun of his little club one time while he was advertising it in the welcome area.

At every turn, he practically begged me to file abuse reports, thinking he was invincible and the Lindens wouldn't do anything about it.

Donnie, you completely had it coming. Sit in your corner and shut up.
Chage McCoy
Aerodrome Janitor
Join date: 23 Apr 2004
Posts: 336
11-18-2004 19:20
hear hear, Cereal.

You have freeze, kick, ejectfromland, and teleporthome capabilities as land owners. These are sanctioned by LL. If someone is on your land, you can use these to deal with it.

You choose to pull out a push gun, with is states to be a suspendable offence.

You made your bed, now lie in it.
Rickard Roentgen
Renaissance Punk
Join date: 4 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,869
11-18-2004 19:29
Renting land from teh lindens is akin to renting an apartment. Someone tresspasses you have rights about how to make them leave. You do not have the right to do anything you want to them irl, and you also don't have the right to do anything you want to them in sl by edict of the landlords/government (lindens).
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Goshua Lament
Registered User
Join date: 25 Dec 2003
Posts: 703
11-18-2004 20:31
A note: I have been abbuse reported for hitting bystanders with shrapnel. I was not banned.
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
11-18-2004 22:51
Regardless of peoples perceptions about RL vs. SL, this is a matter of consistency.

I had sold a tudor home to someone some time ago and we were in the process of putting it together when a guy came up and initiated a script which caused his av to crouch and crap out turds which were scripted to dance in your face. Very annoying to say the least. He was standing on a piece of public land (yes this was pre 1.2) so I quickly bought the land, *unsafed* it, and shot him. Daniel came to investigate and said "Interesting tactic", and left. Not another word was spoken and I was not disciplined.

I think this inconsistency both in the forums and in world is a by product of a small company. Hopefully when LL's staff is larger they will have more clear cut rules in place AND they will administer them evenhandedly and consistently.
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Ryen Jade
This is a takeover!
Join date: 21 Jun 2003
Posts: 1,329
11-18-2004 22:55
From: Damien Fate
ahhh, sweet sweet justice.

At least Half Life 2 is now available in a store near YOU!

So go play that for a while ;)


Bah damien, BAD! I just beat HL2 and am going through the last stage, recovery.

First stage of playing a brand new uber hyped awsome looking game - Hype, preorder, and screenshot fapping (im not the only one who does this, RIGHT?)

Second stage of playing a brand new uber hyped awsome looking game - Playing said game, if amazing, advance to step three, if not repeat step one for sequel/expansion

Third stage of playing a brand new uber hyped awsome looking game - Beat game and wish there was more time to play it, you want to play more but its too repetitive.

Im on step three, lets hope for Half-Life 2: Opposing force :D
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From: Korg Stygian
Between you, Ryen the twerp and Ardith, there's little to change my opinion here.. rather you have reinforced it each in your own ways


IM A TWERP, IM A TWERP! :D

Whats a twerp? :confused:
Ryen Jade
This is a takeover!
Join date: 21 Jun 2003
Posts: 1,329
11-18-2004 23:01
From: Cereal Milk
Just so everyone knows, Donnie Donovan is the same guy who negbombed me with his alts, then over the course of the next month, assaulted me at every opportunity he got. Why? Because I made fun of his little club one time while he was advertising it in the welcome area.

At every turn, he practically begged me to file abuse reports, thinking he was invincible and the Lindens wouldn't do anything about it.

Donnie, you completely had it coming. Sit in your corner and shut up.



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From: Korg Stygian
Between you, Ryen the twerp and Ardith, there's little to change my opinion here.. rather you have reinforced it each in your own ways


IM A TWERP, IM A TWERP! :D

Whats a twerp? :confused:
Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
11-18-2004 23:02
Curious to hear the name of the person with the C4 - put it im my PM please.
A certain someone placed a bunch of the stuff in Aasim yesterday, I didn't report it. I saved one in case I needed to, I will file abuse if it is the same person. We all screw around so I usually take this stuff pretty light, but if someone is dishing it out, yet can't take it, that just sucks.
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Catherine Cotton
Tis Elfin
Join date: 2 Apr 2003
Posts: 3,001
11-19-2004 05:38
From: Nolan Nash
Regardless of peoples perceptions about RL vs. SL, this is a matter of consistency.

I had sold a tudor home to someone some time ago and we were in the process of putting it together when a guy came up and initiated a script which caused his av to crouch and crap out turds which were scripted to dance in your face. Very annoying to say the least. He was standing on a piece of public land (yes this was pre 1.2) so I quickly bought the land, *unsafed* it, and shot him. Daniel came to investigate and said "Interesting tactic", and left. Not another word was spoken and I was not disciplined.

I think this inconsistency both in the forums and in world is a by product of a small company. Hopefully when LL's staff is larger they will have more clear cut rules in place AND they will administer them evenhandedly and consistently.


"Daniel came to investigate and said "Interesting tactic", and left. Not another word was spoken and I was not disciplined"

LOL the good old days :D
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Jack Digeridoo
machinimaniac
Join date: 29 Jul 2003
Posts: 1,170
11-19-2004 05:48
From: Catherine Cotton
LOL the good old days :D



Shame on people for using violence against a scripted turd. Little boys need to learn SHARING as in share the world. Ah well, next time Michael...
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Benjamin Opel
Registered User
Join date: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 83
11-19-2004 07:14
From: Donnie Donovan
So if I don't respond to IM's now you know what's up.

Stating my case...

I pulled out my baretta and shot a newbie who came onto my property and set off some C4 knocking me and another new person into the next sim over. Isn't it only fair that I should be able to retaliate? Apparently he filed an abuse report... because what do ya know, I'm suspended until the 24th.

Gimme a break Lindens... investigate a little harder.


You should of just told the Linden's they would of come staright away to your problem but when you get your SL back on i bet it tought you a lesson
Ryen Jade
This is a takeover!
Join date: 21 Jun 2003
Posts: 1,329
11-19-2004 07:24
From: Benjamin Opel
You should of just told the Linden's they would of come staright away to your problem but when you get your SL back on i bet it tought you a lesson



.......WHAT? Dammit, your from england, you should have better english then that or us silly americans!
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From: Korg Stygian
Between you, Ryen the twerp and Ardith, there's little to change my opinion here.. rather you have reinforced it each in your own ways


IM A TWERP, IM A TWERP! :D

Whats a twerp? :confused:
Zuzi Martinez
goth dachshund
Join date: 4 Sep 2004
Posts: 1,860
11-19-2004 08:02
what do two wrongs make? i can't remember.
From: someone
words like justice just don't have meaning here yet. i don't know if they ever will. is there injustice on the WWW?

i dunno... i've seen some criminal designs. too bad ugly websites aren't illegal. :D
Issarlk Chatnoir
Cross L. apologist.
Join date: 3 Oct 2004
Posts: 424
11-19-2004 08:40
From: Talen Morgan
Linden labs clearly states on one of their opening lines when logging on to check the top of the screen for a heart and if ones there then thats a damage enabled area and you could DIE...everyone set your land for damage then LL has no recourse if you shoot a griefer....they sanctioned it :eek:


That's why my lands are damage enabled. And it's also funnier : if someone don't like me in game he can come and shoot me ; isn't that exciting? (sad thing is nobody would want to.... *sob* nobody hates me *sob* )
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Rickard Roentgen
Renaissance Punk
Join date: 4 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,869
11-19-2004 10:53
bah, damage enable my land :P. I make tp home bullets for my weapons :). same as killing them, but they can't kill me first.
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