After the election...

A friend just noted that after the election half of the people in this country are going to be really ticked off.

Not a good place to be at this point in history.

I wonder if anyone will join me in agreeing to support the President, whoever it is, after the election.

Not necessarily agreeing with everything he says, but giving him the benefit of the doubt and working to give him what he says he needs in order to be successful.

What could we accomplish for the world if we stopped butting heads with each other?

For myself, I'm not willing to commit for more than two years. I tried this when Bush was first elected (both the father and son, actually) but couldn't sustain it (I lost it with GB Senior when he said that Clarence Thomas was the man best suited for the job); but I'm willing to stretch a bit this time.

Who's in?

Well, let me tell you. Preparations are already being made to raise hell if Bush wins, regardless of the margin of victory. See this thread and its links.

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If Kerry wins the election I will support him just as I supported Clinton while he was president, even though I did not vote for him, did not approve of his moral behaviour and did not agree with many of his policies or military interventions around the world.

I promise I will not drop to the floor and throw a temper tantrum like no doubt some will if Bush wins.

I will observe the job he does. If he does a great job, I will vote for his reelection in 2008 regardless of my party affiliation. If he does as bad as I think he would, I would be totally behind the Republican candidate in 2008.

Fair enough?

tito

Well, it might be just you and me, Tito; but maybe we can start something.

As I've said elsewhere, I strongly disagree with both Bush's foriegn and economic policy; but (more or less) half of the people in the country think he's got the right idea (and that's regardless of the outcome of the election), so I've got to hold that there might be something to it. I haven't seen it yet; but I'm watching.

Fair enough. And please, vote for the better of the two candidates in 2008. If McCain were running now, I'd still have a decision to make!

I anticipate that very bad things will happen if Bush is re-elected. Most of the world is against him, let alone half our country. I'm not suggesting there's a conspiracy going on, but if he is re-elected, I wouldn't be -surprised- (not that I -think- it would happen) if "all hell breaks loose" as many say.

It will be hard, but I will do my best to support John Kerry when he is elected.

It will not surprise me either, and that is exactly what I don't like about the new left. They criticize violence, but yet look at all the demonstrations in the last few years... Rioting, violence, looting. And over what? Oppression? Heck no! To save the blue eyed owl, or to stop global trade. Extremism from either side is bad for all.


I think people are trying simply too hard to live the sixties all over again. A lot of people are dressing the part, the music is back, and to the joy of many, they have their own Vietnam to protest. The children of the flower generation wanna do what momma and poppa did when they were young. Well hell, it was not that much fun. It was a difficult time and I personally do not want to go through it again.

-tito

I think a better idea if Bush wins is to spend the next four years working even harder to make sure as many neo-cons are thrown out on their asses next time around as possible. I will never support this administration. Ever.

I'm considering moving to Canada if Bush wins.

Wish I could.

I have family and friends in La Habana working in government.

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I can help make contacts for emmigration to the island. My friends can help the process go much smoother. Please do not hesitate to contact me for any assistance.

-tito

So, the election is up in the air; but what is for certain is that come 2005 half of the country is going to be digging their feet in and doing their best to make sure the leadership of our country fails.

The great days of the United States are behind us; I am pretty sure.

Living in DC I see a lot of these protesters on a regular basis. I can tell you even the most liberal here despise them.

Four years ago this silly protesting was a lot more accepted but now it is just a bother and a waste of tax dollars. How much do I resent the WTO protesters for burdening our already thin police force? A lot. So does most of DC.

The funniest part of the last "crazy protest" was that the protesters wanted to disrupt the flow of traffic in the city. They did this by running into intersections during rush hour to block traffic. Clearly these flower children have no concept of work and rush hour traffic.

One guy got out of his car and proceeded to attack one of the protesters to forcibly remove them from the intersection. The other motorists got out of their cars and cheered him on. It was quite a sight. Towards the end everyone was really keen on the idea of just running them over and claiming it was an accident. (after all they were running into traffic)

I hate those fuckers. For a bunch of socialists they sure do leave a hell of a lot of capitalist garbage from 7-11 on my lawn. They congregate and sleep everywhere. A lot of them are in my neighborhood at all hours of the night. Sleeping on the sidewalks or having deep late night talks on the sidewalk about how horrible the man is while braiding their middle-class blonde hair into corn rows.

I turn the water hose on them or drop buckets of cold piss from my second floor balcony. One time a friend and I took his cat litter box and mixed it with hot water and dumped it on a huge group of them. Poor things. They don't have extra clothes and you just know that had to reek for days.

I suppose urine and cat excrement is a little barbaric but it gets the job done. Word on the street is that you don't congregate at the angry faggot's house or you smell like a port-o-pottie for the rest of the protest.

The worst are the ones that miss the bus or vanagan or whatever when it is time to leave. After every single protest we always have stragglers who take to panhandling in Adams Morgan. Perfectly healthy 20-somethings sitting on the sidewalk with cardboard signs. They even did this when unemployment was so low you couldn't get fired from any job. The area is a popular night spot for the 20-something working crowd. Those poor little protesters. They just don't understand. If you fuck up rush hour, we WANT you to starve. We want it to be a long and painful process. We want to see the rats feasting on your emaciated corpse weeks after the protest.

Sorry, this kind of turned into my personal tirade against protesters. I might dislike the Promise Keepers but at least they keep to themselves and go home after the protest/walk/gathering or whatever it is called. At least they post signs where it is appropriate and take them down when they are done. I'm no fan of Bush but plastering your posters with glue all over buldings does nothing but increase the amount of my tax dollars spent on cleaning up after your sorry asses.

The coolest thing is playing with the LaRouche Socialists. They are the most paranoid people on the planet. If they have a table setup passing out literature, just take a camera with a flash and pretend to take pictures of them from a distance. It COMPLETLETY freaks them out. They will run off, huddle up and then pack up and leave is a hurry. Or just walk up to one and say something like, "I know all about you." They are paranoid wackos which makes the torture almost too easy.

Another fun game it to make up something completely absurd and see how many people will follow you. Buttons that say things like "Mashed Potatoes are Evil" or "Down with Spring Water". People will wear them. They will march with you to fight the evils of mashed potatoes. You don't even need a defendable postition.

I like this thread. I am an American first and foremost. I will support whoever wins the election and pray for them to be strong leaders in the face of such evil. And yes, if Kerry wins I will support and pray for him too.

I agree that this election has polarized our country more than any I remember and hope that it will get better after the election. Sadly I predict that it will not though. It appears that a bi-product of the information age is that we can look at everyone under the magnifying glass and find some faults. To be honest, there are good reasons to like and dislike both candidates. Let's hope that we can come together whoever wins for the good of our country.

*sigh*

I think the biggest problem that's polarizing the country isn't that technology makes it easier to scrutinize our political leaders... I think the biggest problem is that the conservatives have forgotten what democracy is about. They are no longer interested in compromise or consensus building. They're more interested in pushing their agenda forward, no matter what it takes to do it, and no matter how dirty they have to play. This isn't anything new. It's been true of the right since Nixon and before, but it has gotten progressively worse. Nixon wasn't an abberation. He just got caught. It's only gotten worse the more the right has gotten in bed with Christian fundamentalism, as witnessed by the great lengths the right went to to bring down Clinton. If the same thing ends up happening to Bush then all I can say is you reap what you sow.

And Neehai, I live near DC also. Protesters are all fine and dandy until they're standing in front of my car when I'm trying to get out of DC at rush hour. I'd happily run Mother Theresa's ass over in those circumstances. If I'm in a good mood I might even try to read her placard as it slides down my rear window

Little break in thread.. but can't a US president only be elected for 2 terms?! (The whole 2008 issue above)

P.S. you guys are screwd after the election! I'm up north here and I can only take in maybe 3.. 4 US SLers at teh most!

Yes, but it would probably better if it was a one six-year term.

At least a full year is wasted. The first few months learning the ropes, the fourth year of the first term, running for reelection and then the last few months as a lame duck and getting nothing accomplished. Not only that, the incumbent president is by default the party's candidate during reelection year. I am sure many voters would like to see the party allow someone else to run against the incumbent in the primaries

Or then again, it could be like the 'Democracy' to the South, where they had a bloody revolution in 1910 in order to free its people from an oppresive dictatorship. The true revolutionaries were quickly disposed of and the political arm of the revolution created a new party: the Revolutionary Institutional Party. They pretended to be a Democracy and had flashy slogans such as "No reelection" (Sufragio efectivo, no reeleccion); the president was in for a term of six years and could not be reelected. Unfortunately the president unofficially picked his successor, always from the same party. That went on until the last election four years (or so) ago, where for the first time since 1910, an opposition party won the presidency. But hey, in the eyes of the world, this was a true democracy, I guess that is all that matter.

Moral of the story? Things are never as good as they can be, or as bad as they could be.


-tito

Hell has frozen over. I agree with this 100%.