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Top Ten 'Worst' Builds - Now showing

Maxx Monde
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11-28-2003 02:32
I finished my Top Ten 'Worst' Builds review - it will be appearing in the Cordova Sandbox, off to the side as to not obstruct anyone's experimentation. (It isn't that big anyway).

It's in-game now, but I think it will get deleted (with everything else) around 3am PST. I'll put it back in there just so people have a chance to read it. So far, the feedback has been positive, so I think I struck the right balance of humor.

I'm not going to post the list here, just because it took a bit of effort just to do the compliation and formatting - it looks pretty good in-world, so it will stay there.

If anyone is willing to give it a more prominent home (at least for a little bit), just IM me in-game and we'll work it out.

I'd also like to do a Top 10 Best eventually.

Enjoy the holidays if you are celebrating them.
Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
11-28-2003 03:41
I would like to propose Shadow Weaver's Big Red dragon in shipley and Archanox Underthorn's garden in Blue for bestest builds evar. This is the kinda stuff we could all be doing if we didnt have such suffocating technical limits on prims per server. SL is truly a game before its time :(
Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
11-28-2003 08:21
:(

Maxx...no list here? I won't be able to log onto SL for a couple of days due to the holidays.

Will it still be up over the weekend?
Maxx Monde
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11-28-2003 08:59
Yes, sorry - it will be one of many future SL 'exclusives' that I'll do. I'm interested in giving people more reasons to be in SL. I'm just biased that way. Sorry you can't login just yet. I'll keep making sure it is in the Sandbox - it may be deleted already by the housekeeping daemon, but I'll put it back when I get home later today.
Kirsten Coral
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Join date: 20 Oct 2003
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Does not sound nice
11-28-2003 09:53
From: someone
Originally posted by Maxx Monde
Yes, sorry - it will be one of many future SL 'exclusives' that I'll do. I'm interested in giving people more reasons to be in SL.


Pointing out the worst builds only seems like a way to give people more reasons for not wanting to be in SL.

What you list as a worst build may turn out to be someones hard effort since there are alot of people in SL who do not grasp the build system and will have builds that have tears or texture blinkings and these other things you want to ridicule.

It seems more of a way to make SL less friendly and to embarass people. Why should I even by land and build now that I have a fear that someone will advertise how ugly my earnest attempt is.
Maxx Monde
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11-28-2003 10:04
I don't expect everyone to have the same humor as me. But, upon reading your post, I see that the operative word here is 'sounds'...I don't think you went to see it, because if you had, you'd have seen the disclaimer at the top, the specific wording on each panel.

I even rate myself as number zero on the list of top ten.

I don't know how to make it better than that - other than to not do it at all, but that isn't an option right now.

If someone really wants to get in contact with me about it, sure, they can, but to restate what I said on the sign and here - this an attempt to inject some humor/satire on a completely friendly level. Gentle ribbing, as it were.

You're completely entitiled to your opinion, I just wish you had seen what you are commenting about. I suspect that you haven't....
Teeny Leviathan
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11-28-2003 10:06
I have to agree with Kirsten. Telling the whole SL world that someones build sucks isn't very friendly, and it discourgages newbies and the less talented from building. You also increase your chances of getting neg ratings from those who you put down.

Edit.

I haven't seen the list yet, and even it is done sort of tongue in cheek, there will be those who don't appreciate your sense of humor.
Maxx Monde
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11-28-2003 10:19
I think what is truly sad is that a fairly light-hearted attempt at self-deprication that is extended to some extreme examples of what I call 'humorous builds' elicits reponses like these.

I'd probably have an easier time posting a top-ten prim user list. That seems to be socially sanctioned instead of well-intentioned satire.

Thanks for clarifying that for me.
Maxx Monde
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11-28-2003 10:26
I'd also like to add that I put it in Cordova for a reason. It is a complete ordeal to get to, therefore most newbies don't make it there easily, and the location inside the sandbox is near the edges - where you have to intentionally scour to find it anyway..

It isn't like I put it up on the welcome platform.

Upon further reflection - I think I'll channel some of this into a 'How not to use the default texture' building guide. Obviously some users are confused about applying textures, at least from what I've seen in my travels.
Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
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11-28-2003 12:06
hmmm, Maxx, maybe you included your build on that list anticipating some of the responses you are recieving?

Dunno. Maybe thats a coincidence..

Have you even been in the game long enough to really make judgments?. Do folks need to be experts at applying textures? last time I checked ppl pay money to have the right to build whatever they desire, to the limits of the TOS.

Oh, nevermind, it was your brand of humor. I forgot. Your other excuse.
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Cubey Terra
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11-28-2003 12:15
What Maxx is doing is a perfectly-acceptable humorous critique of some ugly builds. Anyone on the list probably knows they're not among the better builders in SL, and accept it as good-natured ribbing.

I think he's done a good job. Looking forward to the top ten, Maxx.
Maxx Monde
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11-28-2003 15:11
Nolan - you asked if I have been here 'long enough' to make these kinds of judgements. Hmm. Not really a judgement, more of a comedic commentary on leaving the default plywood-looking texture set on a HUGE build. Just seems to defeat the purpose, unless of course the builders intent is to recreate some....large....plywood...thing.

But I digress.

I put myself as number zero, because I don't hold my building skills above anyone else. And just in case you are thinking I'm being unecessarily mean, there were plenty of newbie builds (ie, newer than me anyway) that could've made the list if I was just compiling a slam-session-listing, which I'm not.

I chose on the basis of quirky and unique circumstances, although I do admit a bias on the plywood thing - its just so grossly inappropriate for anything but....plywood.

I'm not going to belabor the point anymore, because if I have to, that just means you didn't 'get it'. Which is fine. I never expected everyone to laud me with praise, but at the same time I thought more would understand that my wording was carefully chosen, the builds scoped out, all for the purpose of being somewhat funny.

Comedy takes two, and if I've failed, then you've failed on some level as well.

I'm saddened we couldn't meet on a common ground.

But enough of that -- the Top ten will be next, with EXACT reasons why I think they are. Of course this is completely subjective in some ways, but I'll try to critique with a mixture of technical and aesthetic.

Have a good weekend.
Dan Rhodes
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11-28-2003 15:33
From: someone
Originally posted by Maxx Monde
Nolan - you asked if I have been here 'long enough' to make these kinds of judgements. Hmm. Not really a judgement, more of a comedic commentary on leaving the default plywood-looking texture set on a HUGE build. Just seems to defeat the purpose, unless of course the builders intent is to recreate some....large....plywood...thing.


I left my house in plywood form for about a week or maybe more because I hadn't had time to finish it up. I hope I'm not on that comedic top 10 list. I don't want to be the butt of someone's joke because of a legitimate reason. :)

I do think you have to have a sense of humor in these things but that is just me. I'm sure SL has quite a few people who don't appreciate being on such a list .. even if you personally find it entertaining.

I'm laid back and either way doesn't bother me but there are a lot of ppl in SL that aren't like me and may take being on this list as offensive. :( Possibly even to the point of being embarraseed and leaving SL as was previous posted.

Just my worthless two cents. :)
Nolan Nash
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11-28-2003 15:43
"Upon further reflection - I think I'll channel some of this into a 'How not to use the default texture' building guide. Obviously some users are confused about applying textures, at least from what I've seen in my travels."

Sounds more sanctimonious than humorous, but that's just my interpretation. I guess I could understand this better if the intent was pure humor, unfortunately its seems as though there is a point veiled behind this "humor".
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Mac Beach
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11-28-2003 16:11
I'm sure there are a few of us who know we could do better than we have if we had the time, or more land, or more money, or (add your excuse here). I remember not that long ago there was a famous list of worlds worst web sites that was very educational in that it pointed out bad techniques, things that would only work with a particular version of a particular browser, or with a particular font set or color scheme etc. I think in most cases the examples used were institutional in nature and not individual web sites and in some cases I think the sites were bad on purpose so the responsible party actually took pride in being on the list.

Maybe a middle ground for this sort of thing would be to allow people to nominate themselves for the list. Feel free to add me to the list and I won't take offense. My problem seems to be with scale. Everything I build lately has either been too big or too small. I can't seem to find that "middle ground". Feel free to stop by the northern edge of Welsh and gawk at the horror of it all. (I can use the dwell time too).
Dan Rhodes
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11-28-2003 16:16
You could always have people enter their own builds for a vote. That way you can even add harsh comments because the person is knowingly entering the contest to be in the worst list.

LOL Guess this would take some of the fun out of it but no one would get angry and you wouldn't have any backlash in world from these ppl.
Huns Valen
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11-28-2003 19:44
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Maxx Monde
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11-28-2003 20:06
Yep...well....

*sigh*

Move on here, nothing left to see.

YET.
Eve Cartier
SL Hermit
Join date: 25 Nov 2002
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11-30-2003 00:30
oh...my...hell.
Did everyone eat rancid turkey this Thanksgiving?! Good grief people! "Humor", "Funny", "Joke"... your homework for the week is to look up and define these words.. learn them, live by them.
I, for one, would like to submit any of my builds for this list. It would be an honor to be there.
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Neil Protagonist
FX Monkey
Join date: 11 Jul 2003
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11-30-2003 02:30
hmmmm default texture on a HUGE build.....that sounds familiar....almost grasp it.....oh hey, that sounds like my place :) I hope I made it in the list, I'll have to go check :)
Brad Lupis
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11-30-2003 06:39
See people, that's the kind of response it needed. Neil's is poking fun at himself, and yes Neil, you did make the list. Can't remember what number, but yes, your on there. Everyone is always so uppity about being PC all the time, no one stops to think that hey, this may actually be funny, and rather thinks that that person is intentionally doing it to be hurtful. Well, guess what, Maxx wasn't doing it to be hurtful, you could tell by reading it. I've seen it, and i must say, it is tastefully done, with the humor being extremely apparent. Rather than judging on the forums without checking in to things, why not go look for yourself, insted of jumping to conclusions. It may be able to end a lot of the "fights" that have been going on in the forums.
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Malachi Petunia
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11-30-2003 06:59
Well put Brad. I thought Maxx's gallery was amsuing too and was disappointed that I didn't make the first cut :)

To draw a bad analogy, when I or a friend do something patently stupid (bonking head on an open cabinet door overhead for a slapstick example) after determining that no harm was done, it is funny. Yes stupidity can be painful, but it can be funny too.

A small suggestion Maxx to posibly reduce hurt feelings: drop the builder name. I didn't really pay much attention nor care to and it isn't really necessary to the point.

Oh and I volunteer my half house in Tan (??,??) as an object of derision. Please note that it is inconplete not for lack of time but lack of talent.
Jim Lupis
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11-30-2003 20:08
I think that we've all been given a not-so-serious poke to tell us to lighten up.

Life is too short to be angry all the time.
Maxx Monde
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12-01-2003 06:37
I appreciate the supportive posts, you get what I was trying to do. For anyone who was offended, I'm sorry, I didn't mean it in any negative way, really.

I appreciate the input about the format, etc.. I guess the reason the builder name is in there was just informational, you could've just as easily found out by going there I suppose.

I think I got a few neg ratings about it - not a landslide, but some decided to rate me for it. I understood that going into it, so I don't have a rant or anything, I just wish they had talked to me in-game before rating me.

I still have it in my inventory, if you want to see it just IM me and I'll be glad to arrange a display. I didn't keep it in the sandbox because the flight there is really a pain, and I was growing wary of being neg-rated with no comment on what was found neg-worthy, etc..

I'll be working on something else when I have time, I will let you know where it is for display when it is done.

Thanks for reading.
Mezzanine Peregrine
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Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 113
12-02-2003 03:03
Dang, its gone?

But I had my Enormous Tower of Alternating Pink and Green (Animated TExtured) Flashing Rotating z-fighting misaligned Lit Hundred Toruses all ready to use... (Plus the 50,000 particle storm that surrounds them and grinds framerates down to 0 fps)

But seriously folks, if you got offended that your building makes 'worst' build, you should be grateful someone actually TOLD YOU that your eyesore was actually an eyesore.

Because for every loud Maxx Monde out there, there are hundreds of people who dislike your builds but dont SAY anything.

What next? People complaining that their build is featured on the SL Monopoly 'cheap' squares along side Giant Toilet Man???

As for Giant Plywood Monstrosity, if you refer to that object in the eastern section (adult area) of SL, then yes, that is a GIANT PLYWOOD EYESORE that needs some textures or deletion, I mean DAYUM!!!! its ugly.

But who ever built it has a right to build it!

But DAAAAAAYYYYUUUUM its ugly!!!!

But they're welcome to make whatever they want.

BUT DAYYUM ITS SO UGLY. And I really dont care if I offend whoever made it by saying this. Because its true. Just go look.

:D