2012

ok, several hours and a rather mind-melting headache later..

why can't i just be like the other kids and watch MTV or something? ugh.. so, what i was doing was watching the History channel. first, UFO Files (whee! fun!), then.. *cue doomsday music* The Bible Code 2. at the end of the latter program there was a brief mention about a comet impact on Earth.. in 2012. (see: 2012 Comet Impact code)

of course, this just set me off. i hadn't heard of 2012 appearing in the Bible Code, but i've been aware of it's relation to the Mayan calendar for quite some time. so naturally, i decided to see what relations i could find. ....woops. should've realized i'd be hunting this one for much longer than anticipated.
i could go on forever about the Mayan side of things alone, but between the direct links i post and the available links therein, you should have plenty fun on your own. the first page i opened turned out to be quite informative.. heck, check it out. i know it's long, but it's worth the read.

continuing on my search i came across a small piece that isn't nearly as scientific as much of the other findings i came upon. Remote viewing Tibetan monks may not be complex astrological/astronomical/mathematical models, but it is interesting to note that they see nothing past 2012.

elsewhere in my pursuits, i came across what Maori Elders have said about the subject. apparently, they also hold siginificance to the year 2012. apparently, they hold to a "thinning of the veil" take on things, where physical and spiritual worlds meld in some way. (if clicking the link provided for this, it's down a little bit on the page)

and finally, the behemoth of information, Beyond 2012. this was the only site i didn't completely read over; however, it's worthy to note that the author of these pages has come back to correct any mis-findings he had previously supposed.
take some time with this one, there's a ton of information.. from the relations of Pi to the Mayan Calendar to Mandelbrot crop circles and much, much, MUCH more. there is an overwhelming presence of December 21, 2012 in these legends.. and to a larger degree, the years 2012 and 2013.

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it's amazing really. the different occurences of this time-table throughout ancient history to modern day (and in some theories, the future as well). The Maori elders stories relate to the Biblical Rapture, which relates to the Mayan calendars "end" date (which is really more of a turning of ages), which relates to the "crystal skulls", which relates to ancient Egypt.. and so on and on and on.

have fun pouring through all the info and i'll check back with this thread in about a day or two.. you know, once you've been able to go through the mounds of information i've just thrown at all of you. lol..

and personally, i have no solid conclusion of expectations. all i can say is that i believe that something is coming along and i expect that on (or about) 12/21/12 we'll see/experience a significant moment or moments. possibly much more (or less, as it were).


Until after now...

You know what is really interesting is that I found this thread right next to a thread titled "Just how CRAZY are you?". It's like the universe has taken a moment to comment on this.

Lmao!

(42 anyone?)

Yeah, 2012 is a effed up year. If you believe that stuff.

Consider also:

Purportedly, many psychics say that they cannot foresee anything past 2012.

Mayan calendar is the same rationale the zodiac is based on - the slow progression of time through the stars. You've heard "This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius"? It's because it is. The earth slowly wobbles and causes a 13,000 year progression through orientations of the night sky. That progression became the Mayan and Zodiac calendars - where if you divide up the segments, you get ages. We're now at the end of Pisces - which is the last age. The first? Aquarius - supposedly a time of spiritual enlightment.

Funny fact - Chris Carter, X-Files creator, set the date the aliens were to invade the earth as 2012 - December 22 - on the last episode.

Historians say the Gregorian calender is oh ... 3-5 years ahead of when Christ was really born. Put it at 5, and add your "7 years" per revelations, and you get the millenium occuring this year, and 7 years from now being 2012.

2012 is a leap year.

A fractal based on the patterns in I Ching, the ancient Chinese Book of Changes, turns to 0 at 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelty_Theory

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But I think the most risky thing of all is that the fact that there's a presidential election in the US that year, and it's only a matter of time before we get one stupid enough to nuke everything.

Hehe, Hiro has it -- far more likely to be some moron-on-the-button to cause an apocalypse than anything else.

The thing is with these kinds of 'predictions', is they start with the number, then look for evidence supporting it. You can do it with any number really; The whole 2012 thing, probably started with it, being the end of the Mayan Calendar, then people started going 'Hey! 2012 .. that's like ... let's see ... *monkey math here* OMG! It's here too!'

Same works for nostradamus, start with the prediction first, THEN look for possible things which fill it.

All in all, I'd be willing to bet, 2012 is just-another-year.

-Adam

Well, assuming this even has a modicum of possibility, let's cut this down to brass tacks.

Almost all other "discoveries" about 2012, aside from the Mayan Calandar (and the I-ching, apparently, haven't looked into that) have happened in the modern age by psychics, bible code doodlers, and other folks with books to sell.

Not to disprove these psychics, but I haven't seen anyone that successfully predicted Katrina, 9/11, or anything else (except after the fact, of course, they'll point to vague wordings that "surely proves it, but instead is so vague it might mean anything).

The Bible Code is bunk. Even assuming you're doing it from original Hebrew (many don't), the sheer archaicness of it means you can find anything about everything. BUT, you can also do this with any other book of sufficient length (do the Bible Code on, say, the Encyclopedia, and see what happens)

If we bust it down to "original sources", we get the Mayans, supposedly the Incans (who were nearby the Mayans, so that makes sense... cultures intermingle and trade everything from pottery to religious beliefs), and the Chinese (who have been around continuously for over 5000 years, maybe they ran into them or something).

Everything after that has been based off of those two main sources; Mayans and the I-ching.

Is it interesting that they both end around 2012? Yeah, I suppose. Human time-keeping has never been flawless, though, even with advanced technology. When WAS Jesus born, exactly? No one knows. Our celebration of his birthday is an usurped pagan holiday, as is the celebration of his death/resurrection/sequel (Easter).

I'm not completely discounting 2012 as the ENd of the World, as I'm also fairly gullible at these conspiracy/doomsday theories, but skimming the sites, everything from radiation blasts to crust displacement to nuclear war to Ascension to comets are going to happen all at once.

The universe is pretty weird, but not THAT weird.

LF

I completely agree with Lordfly about the "Bible Code"... It's fake. You can find these "patterns" anywhere you look. Besides, the Bible says that no one will predict the end of the world when it does happen.

Just an interesting note-- The Hebrew calendar, which bases 0 as the beginning of the world, is now in year 5765. You can actually get that date exactly from the Bible, because all of the geneaologies are recorded, with years.

Hiro,
good point about the 13,000 year cycle. but, while the Mayan calendar "ends" on Dec. 21, 2012, it doesn't mean it's the end of the world either. like you mentioned, the age of Aquarius and all that. spiritual enlightenment, or as the Maori elders called it (approximately), the thinning of the veil.

and the pattern graphed according to the I-Ching (aka - Timewave Zero) is of interesting note, as you mentioned. (there's more info on the second page of the last link i provided.. about half-way down the page.)

an interesting note about the Mayan calendar is that it adjusts for precession, which in and of itself is impressive. over 2300 years ago they figured out that the seasonal quarters "slip slide" against the sky so that we're almost fully in Sagitarrius from Capricorn over 2000 years ago. it's the "exactness" of their calendar that intrigues me. not to mention other celestial occurrences of 12.21.2012. (such as our Sun being intersected through it's center (only on that day) by the Galactic equator and the ecliptic)

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Adam,
not many things are ancient enough to stand on their own. in this you're correct. such as the Bible Code "predicting" thibngs.. but after they've happened. but it was the mention of "Comet" and "2012" (and a few other words) that caught my attention.. it's the first time i can remember hearing an actual prediction from the code that hasn't happened yet.

on the other hand, things like the Mayan calendar end on this date, not because we construed evidence from an arbitrary point, but because it's a scientifically created time keeper. it was enstated over 2300 years ago, so at least that much stands on it's own.

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Lordfly,
you're right about the Bible Code being able to be used in any other large volume. the program i was watching mentioned how they found "oh so hidden messages" in Moby Dick as well. lol..

i may not be placing a lot of trust in the Bible Code, but it is interesting enough to mention as a .. "by the way, this also says this" type of.. supportive arguement, but not full-fledged evidence either.

and yeah.. i know the universe isn't THAT crazy.. i'm just saying, there seems to be an inordinately large amount of data from varying origins that converge in 2012.

if you get the time, researching extensively into a couple of these sites ("check it out", "Beynd 2012" will make may take pause and think about the inter-connectedness of Life, The Universe and Everything.

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ok.. i'm addicted. i went to check on the relevance of the Hebrew calendar as compared to 2012 and ended up reading several pages on several different topics before returning to finish this post.. lol.

although, i will say.. it was interesting to read that crop circles are due to ancient priests basically turning into UFOs and travelling forward in time who are trying to warn us of our future! (i never said it was all worthwhile reading! heheh)


one more thing, i just want to say it's great to have a place i can go with heady subjects like this and debate it intelligently with others here in the SL forums. we may have drahma to challenge some much bigger forums, but hey.. it's the nature of the beast.

so, thanks everybody for not just giving me an umbrella to protect me from the falling sky. granted, i am also more of the mind that there will be some sort of "shake-up" at the time.. the dawn of a new age, however subtle or prominent. not a big subscriber to the "end of the world" theories out there.. but then again, who knows? maybe Nibiru will come and destroy us all?

2012 ate my baby!

2012?! Will we have time to host the olympics?!

Bleh, Im still rooting for 2038, when the UNIX timestamp will overflow
==Chris

The real events of significance will occur in 2112.

I think all the wack--I mean psychics-- not seeing anything past 2012 is clearly a memory exception problem. I mean, the matrix was only supposed to go up to the year 2005, and the fact that it has enough memory left over to last until 2012 is just a lucky coincidence. After the software patch goes in it'll all be fixed, trust me.

at 21:13.

December 21, 2012 (a Friday) is known to many as "the Singularity." A Singularity is a point, in time and space, that we can't see beyond. The Big Bang was a Singularity. 2012 will, supposedly, be another one. We can't "see beyond" a Singularity because the Universe before a Singularity is completely different from the Universe after one. Stop and think about that idea for a sec. Supposedly, all physical laws, time and space were created at the Big Bang. To try and picture our Universe before physical laws, time and space came into being is a bit difficult. In fact, impossible. Yes, modern cosmologists have their "M Theory," which postulates 11 dimensions that existed before the Big Bang, but let's leave that aside for now.

Imagine a Universe *so* different that we can't say anything about it. We can't imagine it. That's the coming Singularity. It may be the end of everything. It may be the start of everything else. It may be both of these at once.

For a fun take on the Singularity, see "The Invisibles," a great comic series by Grant Morrison. It'll blow yer mind. Grant calls the Singularity "the Supercontext."

The Singularity was (is) also known as "Time Wave Zero." The phrase was coined by Reality Explorer Terrence Mckenna.

The Singularity goes by many names. Look up "Novelty Theory." That's the idea that novelty (new stimulus) is increasing exponentially, till we reach a point where we are bombarded by more completely novel stimuli every second than we have experienced in the last 2000 years. Then we move even beyond THAT point. There we reach Singularity.

Also related is the idea that spacetime itself is speeding up as we approach the Singularity.

The rate of technological discovery and invention is, according to some, increasing exponentially. Probably as a side effect (or a driver) of novelty. Ever feel that you have less and less time to get things done? Could be you're right.

All these theories, gathered from disparate fields, seem to be reinforcing the same idea: that we are swirling down the plughole towards something completely different.

Wheee! Gurgle...

until i got to this part...



oh great, now i'm actually scared again!! lol...