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Lost Newcomb

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08-20-2006 17:01

Anyone else see this?

/139/be/131451/1.html

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Floyd Gilmour

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Join date: 5 Jul 2006

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08-20-2006 17:07

That post makes no sense, she lost 5 plots of land because chat recording devices?
Huh?

and plus that means nothing, until the Lindens say public chat recording is legal, it isnt.

Lost Newcomb

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08-20-2006 17:09

i hope she's okay

BTW, I can't come up with something that would be so important that it has to be said over open chat.

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Dr Tardis

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08-20-2006 17:17

Sounds to me like this person contributed land (that he paid for) to a group, and then an officer of the group took the land out from under them.

That's what happens, I guess. This is not a LL problem. This is an individual problem with that person. I suppose he could sue, but since property in Second Life has no value (according to LL), what's there to sue for?

Jonas Pierterson

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08-20-2006 17:22

Open chat is also, by definition, public. You just can't use recorders unless you are present at the time..

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Chosen Few

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08-20-2006 17:55

Since when was open chat EVER private? By definition, it's "open" because everyone in the vicinity can hear it. If you don't want something heard, don't say it out loud. It's that simple.

As for recording someone's chat without their knowledge, that is and always has been against the rules. That doesn't mean people won't still do it though. It's against the law for someone to enter my house without permission, but that doesn't mean I don't keep my front door locked. A little common sense goes a long way in RL and in SL.

Anyway, that person's post is so nonsensical, the only part of it I believe is the mental hospital thing. The author's emotional state is clearly well outside of normal, so it's safe to assume his/her perceptions can't be taken at face value. Sounds to me like the person lost some land by trusting the wrong people, had a bit of an emotional breakdown over it, and then his/her brain went to work to justify the overwhelming feelings by finding a scapegoat on which to blame the whole fiasco, namely Linden Lab and some alleged (possibly imagined) chat recording device.

I hope the author gets better. Sounds like it was quite a psychiatric injury.

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nimrod Yaffle

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08-20-2006 18:24

So he's mad at the Lindens because he trusted someone he didn't know too much?

Who put the land under the group name?
Who invited an officer that could sell it?
Who set the land for sale?

Stop passing the buck.

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Richie Waves

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08-20-2006 18:46

Anxiety attacks are cruel masters..

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Takuan Daikon

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08-20-2006 19:22

From: Richie Waves

Anxiety attacks are cruel masters..

I've known several people who've had to deal with frequent and/or overpowering anxiety attacks, and it's no joke. Hard to understand for someone who's never experienced it maybe, but not to be laughed away.

Having said that, I don't believe that there is any actionable offense there. The whole situation sounds unfortunate, but there doesn't seem to be anything actually illegal going on.

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P.S.: I do have to wonder, without any sarcasm intended, why a person with an anxiety disorder would choose to do something as drama-riddled as SL.

Open chat no longer private?!
Lost Newcomb Registered User Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 666	08-20-2006 17:01 Anyone else see this? /139/be/131451/1.html _____________________ I'm the uncontested Ubar of All of Gor, and Knight of SecondLife. Proper way to greet me : Sir Lost, Ubar Lost, or if your so inclined, Master Newcomb.
Floyd Gilmour Registered User Join date: 5 Jul 2006 Posts: 149	08-20-2006 17:07 That post makes no sense, she lost 5 plots of land because chat recording devices? Huh? and plus that means nothing, until the Lindens say public chat recording is legal, it isnt.
Lost Newcomb Registered User Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 666	08-20-2006 17:09 i hope she's okay BTW, I can't come up with something that would be so important that it has to be said over open chat. _____________________ I'm the uncontested Ubar of All of Gor, and Knight of SecondLife. Proper way to greet me : Sir Lost, Ubar Lost, or if your so inclined, Master Newcomb.
Dr Tardis Registered User Join date: 3 Nov 2005 Posts: 426	08-20-2006 17:17 Sounds to me like this person contributed land (that he paid for) to a group, and then an officer of the group took the land out from under them. That's what happens, I guess. This is not a LL problem. This is an individual problem with that person. I suppose he could sue, but since property in Second Life has no value (according to LL), what's there to sue for?
Jonas Pierterson Dark Harlequin Join date: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 3,660	08-20-2006 17:22 Open chat is also, by definition, public. You just can't use recorders unless you are present at the time.. _____________________ Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
Chosen Few Alpha Channel Slave Join date: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 7,496	08-20-2006 17:55 Since when was open chat EVER private? By definition, it's "open" because everyone in the vicinity can hear it. If you don't want something heard, don't say it out loud. It's that simple. As for recording someone's chat without their knowledge, that is and always has been against the rules. That doesn't mean people won't still do it though. It's against the law for someone to enter my house without permission, but that doesn't mean I don't keep my front door locked. A little common sense goes a long way in RL and in SL. Anyway, that person's post is so nonsensical, the only part of it I believe is the mental hospital thing. The author's emotional state is clearly well outside of normal, so it's safe to assume his/her perceptions can't be taken at face value. Sounds to me like the person lost some land by trusting the wrong people, had a bit of an emotional breakdown over it, and then his/her brain went to work to justify the overwhelming feelings by finding a scapegoat on which to blame the whole fiasco, namely Linden Lab and some alleged (possibly imagined) chat recording device. I hope the author gets better. Sounds like it was quite a psychiatric injury. _____________________ . Land now available for rent in Indigo. Low rates. Quiet, low-lag mainland sim with good neighbors. IM me in-world if you're interested.
nimrod Yaffle Cavemen are people too... Join date: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 3,146	08-20-2006 18:24 So he's mad at the Lindens because he trusted someone he didn't know too much? Who put the land under the group name? Who invited an officer that could sell it? Who set the land for sale? Stop passing the buck. _____________________ "People can cry much easier than they can change." -James Baldwin
Richie Waves Predictable Join date: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,424	08-20-2006 18:46 Anxiety attacks are cruel masters.. _____________________ no u!
Takuan Daikon choppy choppy! Join date: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 305	08-20-2006 19:22 From: Richie Waves Anxiety attacks are cruel masters.. I've known several people who've had to deal with frequent and/or overpowering anxiety attacks, and it's no joke. Hard to understand for someone who's never experienced it maybe, but not to be laughed away. Having said that, I don't believe that there is any actionable offense there. The whole situation sounds unfortunate, but there doesn't seem to be anything actually illegal going on. -------- P.S.: I do have to wonder, without any sarcasm intended, why a person with an anxiety disorder would choose to do something as drama-riddled as SL.

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