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Jsecure Hanks

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11-02-2005 17:34

Everyone,

I was watching a program on National Geographic which mentioned many people died when the side of a plane blew out, and it was because some parts inside the cargo door were not changed, although Boeing had sent a note out to technicians around the world asking for the part to be changed.

I think these notices must be a common occurence, and they must be online somewhere in this day and age.

I want to compile a list of them, and maybe in the future use airline data online somewhere to cross check the maintenance schedules of commercial planes in active service against potential hazardous fault notifications from Boeing and Airbus, so maybe in future people can research the plane they're flying on, and work out what outstanding potential issues it has.

First I need access to Boeing's list of defects found with planes. Can anyone find a link to anything on that? I'm searching as well but with all our members, I'm hoping someone knows a pilot or mechanic who works for Boeing or anything.

Cheers

Jsecure Hanks

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11-02-2005 17:38

I think I might have something:

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet

Jsecure Hanks

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11-02-2005 17:46

Damn, I followed that link, and there's tons of aircraft. I looked up the 747, and there's tons of directives, some dated as recently as the last two months, covering issues that have consequences such as sudden decompression of the aircraft, and loss of control of the aircraft.

I had no idea that at any one time, there were so many items on the bug list with our 'safe' commercial aircraft

Huh. I remember the thread not so long ago where SL residents successfully showed me that the US govt. in no way, shape or form, has any gold reserves which underly the US currency. That was a shock. This is another shock. My poor innocent life is being chipped away, piece by piece

Maybe I should file this discovery too, in the folder marked "forget, and pretend this never happened".

Chip Midnight

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11-02-2005 17:52

From: Jsecure Hanks

Maybe I should file this discovery too, in the folder marked "forget, and pretend this never happened".

hehehe, couldn't agree more. I think there are some things we're just better off not knowing

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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11-02-2005 17:53

From: Jsecure Hanks

Damn, I followed that link, and there's tons of aircraft. I looked up the 747, and there's tons of directives, some dated as recently as the last two months, covering issues that have consequences such as sudden decompression of the aircraft, and loss of control of the aircraft.

I had no idea that at any one time, there were so many items on the bug list with our 'safe' commercial aircraft

Huh. I remember the thread not so long ago where SL residents successfully showed me that the US govt. in no way, shape or form, has any gold reserves which underly the US currency. That was a shock. This is another shock. My poor innocent life is being chipped away, piece by piece

Maybe I should file this discovery too, in the folder marked "forget, and pretend this never happened".

Aren't most government currencies fake?

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Jsecure Hanks

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11-02-2005 17:55

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

Aren't most government currencies fake?

Fake in the sense they don't appear to have any touchable value, yes that appears to be the situation. I figured the gold stored by countries was at least some core value, but as a SL community we had it out and it appeared not to be the case.

Anyways, I agree with Chip, there are some things we are not meant to know. I counted more than 30 open issues on just ONE type of 747 (there are more than five) and frankly, to try and keep up with all the current flaws in the planes in the sky right now, would be mind boggling and scary. I'd sit in my plane seat, and have no idea just how many outstanding issues were unpatched in the plane I was flying in.

Chance Abattoir

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Join date: 3 Apr 2004

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11-02-2005 17:56

From: Jsecure Hanks

Everyone,

I was watching a program on National Geographic which mentioned many people died when the side of a plane blew out, and it was because some parts inside the cargo door were not changed, although Boeing had sent a note out to technicians around the world asking for the part to be changed.

I think these notices must be a common occurence, and they must be online somewhere in this day and age.

I want to compile a list of them, and maybe in the future use airline data online somewhere to cross check the maintenance schedules of commercial planes in active service against potential hazardous fault notifications from Boeing and Airbus, so maybe in future people can research the plane they're flying on, and work out what outstanding potential issues it has.

First I need access to Boeing's list of defects found with planes. Can anyone find a link to anything on that? I'm searching as well but with all our members, I'm hoping someone knows a pilot or mechanic who works for Boeing or anything.

Cheers

That's a cool idea, JSecure. However, do you think that (for security or legal reasons?) Airlines might be pretty reluctant to give out detailed maintenance schedules?

I'm only asking because I don't know anything about the availability of internal airline data as regulated by different countries, especially in post 9/11, and wondered if you already thought of that.

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Jsecure Hanks

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11-02-2005 17:59

From: Chance Abattoir

That's a cool idea, JSecure. However, do you think that (for security or legal reasons?) Airlines might be pretty reluctant to give out detailed maintenance schedules?

I'm only asking because I don't know anything about the availability of internal airline data as regulated by different countries, especially in post 9/11, and wondered if you already thought of that.

I think you're probably quite right Chance

However just looking at the sheer number of alerts from the FAA, it's mind boggling, there's tons of them! I figured maybe once every couple of years Boeing would spot something with a 747, but no, it seems every other day there's some issue

Chance Abattoir

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11-02-2005 18:04

From: Jsecure Hanks

I think you're probably quite right Chance

However just looking at the sheer number of alerts from the FAA, it's mind boggling, there's tons of them! I figured maybe once every couple of years Boeing would spot something with a 747, but no, it seems every other day there's some issue

If they do have legal protection from giving out that kind of information, you could start a group to lobby to give the FAA the power to release mainenance schedules to public interest groups since the government technically owns and regulates the skies.

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Jsecure Hanks

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11-02-2005 18:06

If I could get:

* The information from the FAA in a format that never changes (allow DB integration)
* Details of the plane make and model (exact) from airlines for a given flight number
* The maintenance schedule for a plane serial number from airlines

I could do my site. I think you're right, I could try lobby for the information from the airlines. I suppose at first I'd have to email them and see what happened. But yeah, it'd be cool, a "What's wrong with my plane?" site

Juro Kothari

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Join date: 4 Sep 2003

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11-02-2005 18:22

That would be a cool site, indeed.

Even with all of those fixes, plane travel is still safer than car travel.

One other interesting thing I saw on a program a while back was that the FAA does not force airlines or Boeing/Airbus to rectify issues unless the cost of a potential (or many potential) disasters outweigh the cost of the fix. I believe the amount was $2.3 Million per person.

For example, if a plane went down due to a faulty tail assembly and there were 200 people on the plane and it was found to be an extremely rare instance and not likely to happen again - they most likely would not mandate a fix if it would cost more than $460 Million to fix *all* of the planes.

I thought it was very interesting to know that my safety is routinely bought for $2.3 Million.

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Chip Midnight

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11-02-2005 18:35

They can just give me the $2.3 million and I'll promise not to fly again

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Jsecure Hanks

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11-03-2005 03:44

From: Juro Kothari

That would be a cool site, indeed.

Even with all of those fixes, plane travel is still safer than car travel.

One other interesting thing I saw on a program a while back was that the FAA does not force airlines or Boeing/Airbus to rectify issues unless the cost of a potential (or many potential) disasters outweigh the cost of the fix. I believe the amount was $2.3 Million per person.

For example, if a plane went down due to a faulty tail assembly and there were 200 people on the plane and it was found to be an extremely rare instance and not likely to happen again - they most likely would not mandate a fix if it would cost more than $460 Million to fix *all* of the planes.

I thought it was very interesting to know that my safety is routinely bought for $2.3 Million.

Yeah, it kind of sucks that we are reduced to a number. In the show last night they were saying when the door blew open, 9 people, seatbelted into their seats, were sucked out of the plane. They must have fallen some 30,000ft to their horrible deaths in the cold night ocean, a terrifying experience I break out in a cold sweat even thinking about. But on the other hand, 9 out of 100+ souls were lost, so to the industry that's no biggie. But damn, to be one of those nine

Teri LaFollette

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11-03-2005 10:32

From: Chip Midnight

They can just give me the $2.3 million and I'll promise not to fly again

sounds like a plan!!!

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Boeing / AirBus Maintenance Updates
Jsecure Hanks Capitalist Join date: 9 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,451	11-02-2005 17:34 Everyone, I was watching a program on National Geographic which mentioned many people died when the side of a plane blew out, and it was because some parts inside the cargo door were not changed, although Boeing had sent a note out to technicians around the world asking for the part to be changed. I think these notices must be a common occurence, and they must be online somewhere in this day and age. I want to compile a list of them, and maybe in the future use airline data online somewhere to cross check the maintenance schedules of commercial planes in active service against potential hazardous fault notifications from Boeing and Airbus, so maybe in future people can research the plane they're flying on, and work out what outstanding potential issues it has. First I need access to Boeing's list of defects found with planes. Can anyone find a link to anything on that? I'm searching as well but with all our members, I'm hoping someone knows a pilot or mechanic who works for Boeing or anything. Cheers
Jsecure Hanks Capitalist Join date: 9 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,451	11-02-2005 17:38 I think I might have something: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
Jsecure Hanks Capitalist Join date: 9 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,451	11-02-2005 17:46 Damn, I followed that link, and there's tons of aircraft. I looked up the 747, and there's tons of directives, some dated as recently as the last two months, covering issues that have consequences such as sudden decompression of the aircraft, and loss of control of the aircraft. I had no idea that at any one time, there were so many items on the bug list with our 'safe' commercial aircraft Huh. I remember the thread not so long ago where SL residents successfully showed me that the US govt. in no way, shape or form, has any gold reserves which underly the US currency. That was a shock. This is another shock. My poor innocent life is being chipped away, piece by piece Maybe I should file this discovery too, in the folder marked "forget, and pretend this never happened".
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	11-02-2005 17:52 From: Jsecure Hanks Maybe I should file this discovery too, in the folder marked "forget, and pretend this never happened". hehehe, couldn't agree more. I think there are some things we're just better off not knowing _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	11-02-2005 17:53 From: Jsecure Hanks Damn, I followed that link, and there's tons of aircraft. I looked up the 747, and there's tons of directives, some dated as recently as the last two months, covering issues that have consequences such as sudden decompression of the aircraft, and loss of control of the aircraft. I had no idea that at any one time, there were so many items on the bug list with our 'safe' commercial aircraft Huh. I remember the thread not so long ago where SL residents successfully showed me that the US govt. in no way, shape or form, has any gold reserves which underly the US currency. That was a shock. This is another shock. My poor innocent life is being chipped away, piece by piece Maybe I should file this discovery too, in the folder marked "forget, and pretend this never happened". Aren't most government currencies fake? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Jsecure Hanks Capitalist Join date: 9 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,451	11-02-2005 17:55 From: SuezanneC Baskerville Aren't most government currencies fake? Fake in the sense they don't appear to have any touchable value, yes that appears to be the situation. I figured the gold stored by countries was at least some core value, but as a SL community we had it out and it appeared not to be the case. Anyways, I agree with Chip, there are some things we are not meant to know. I counted more than 30 open issues on just ONE type of 747 (there are more than five) and frankly, to try and keep up with all the current flaws in the planes in the sky right now, would be mind boggling and scary. I'd sit in my plane seat, and have no idea just how many outstanding issues were unpatched in the plane I was flying in.
Chance Abattoir Future Rockin' Resmod Join date: 3 Apr 2004 Posts: 3,898	11-02-2005 17:56 From: Jsecure Hanks Everyone, I was watching a program on National Geographic which mentioned many people died when the side of a plane blew out, and it was because some parts inside the cargo door were not changed, although Boeing had sent a note out to technicians around the world asking for the part to be changed. I think these notices must be a common occurence, and they must be online somewhere in this day and age. I want to compile a list of them, and maybe in the future use airline data online somewhere to cross check the maintenance schedules of commercial planes in active service against potential hazardous fault notifications from Boeing and Airbus, so maybe in future people can research the plane they're flying on, and work out what outstanding potential issues it has. First I need access to Boeing's list of defects found with planes. Can anyone find a link to anything on that? I'm searching as well but with all our members, I'm hoping someone knows a pilot or mechanic who works for Boeing or anything. Cheers That's a cool idea, JSecure. However, do you think that (for security or legal reasons?) Airlines might be pretty reluctant to give out detailed maintenance schedules? I'm only asking because I don't know anything about the availability of internal airline data as regulated by different countries, especially in post 9/11, and wondered if you already thought of that. _____________________ "The mob requires regular doses of scandal, paranoia and dilemma to alleviate the boredom of a meaningless existence." -Insane Ramblings, Anton LaVey
Jsecure Hanks Capitalist Join date: 9 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,451	11-02-2005 17:59 From: Chance Abattoir That's a cool idea, JSecure. However, do you think that (for security or legal reasons?) Airlines might be pretty reluctant to give out detailed maintenance schedules? I'm only asking because I don't know anything about the availability of internal airline data as regulated by different countries, especially in post 9/11, and wondered if you already thought of that. I think you're probably quite right Chance However just looking at the sheer number of alerts from the FAA, it's mind boggling, there's tons of them! I figured maybe once every couple of years Boeing would spot something with a 747, but no, it seems every other day there's some issue
Chance Abattoir Future Rockin' Resmod Join date: 3 Apr 2004 Posts: 3,898	11-02-2005 18:04 From: Jsecure Hanks I think you're probably quite right Chance However just looking at the sheer number of alerts from the FAA, it's mind boggling, there's tons of them! I figured maybe once every couple of years Boeing would spot something with a 747, but no, it seems every other day there's some issue If they do have legal protection from giving out that kind of information, you could start a group to lobby to give the FAA the power to release mainenance schedules to public interest groups since the government technically owns and regulates the skies. _____________________ "The mob requires regular doses of scandal, paranoia and dilemma to alleviate the boredom of a meaningless existence." -Insane Ramblings, Anton LaVey
Jsecure Hanks Capitalist Join date: 9 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,451	11-02-2005 18:06 If I could get: * The information from the FAA in a format that never changes (allow DB integration) * Details of the plane make and model (exact) from airlines for a given flight number * The maintenance schedule for a plane serial number from airlines I could do my site. I think you're right, I could try lobby for the information from the airlines. I suppose at first I'd have to email them and see what happened. But yeah, it'd be cool, a "What's wrong with my plane?" site
Juro Kothari Like a dog on a bone Join date: 4 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,418	11-02-2005 18:22 That would be a cool site, indeed. Even with all of those fixes, plane travel is still safer than car travel. One other interesting thing I saw on a program a while back was that the FAA does not force airlines or Boeing/Airbus to rectify issues unless the cost of a potential (or many potential) disasters outweigh the cost of the fix. I believe the amount was $2.3 Million per person. For example, if a plane went down due to a faulty tail assembly and there were 200 people on the plane and it was found to be an extremely rare instance and not likely to happen again - they most likely would not mandate a fix if it would cost more than $460 Million to fix all of the planes. I thought it was very interesting to know that my safety is routinely bought for $2.3 Million. _____________________
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	11-02-2005 18:35 They can just give me the $2.3 million and I'll promise not to fly again _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Jsecure Hanks Capitalist Join date: 9 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,451	11-03-2005 03:44 From: Juro Kothari That would be a cool site, indeed. Even with all of those fixes, plane travel is still safer than car travel. One other interesting thing I saw on a program a while back was that the FAA does not force airlines or Boeing/Airbus to rectify issues unless the cost of a potential (or many potential) disasters outweigh the cost of the fix. I believe the amount was $2.3 Million per person. For example, if a plane went down due to a faulty tail assembly and there were 200 people on the plane and it was found to be an extremely rare instance and not likely to happen again - they most likely would not mandate a fix if it would cost more than $460 Million to fix all of the planes. I thought it was very interesting to know that my safety is routinely bought for $2.3 Million. Yeah, it kind of sucks that we are reduced to a number. In the show last night they were saying when the door blew open, 9 people, seatbelted into their seats, were sucked out of the plane. They must have fallen some 30,000ft to their horrible deaths in the cold night ocean, a terrifying experience I break out in a cold sweat even thinking about. But on the other hand, 9 out of 100+ souls were lost, so to the industry that's no biggie. But damn, to be one of those nine
Teri LaFollette smiles knowingly Join date: 26 Jan 2004 Posts: 161	11-03-2005 10:32 From: Chip Midnight They can just give me the $2.3 million and I'll promise not to fly again sounds like a plan!!! _____________________ witty, wonderful and wise Follows Selador Cellardoor around....

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