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Kiamat Dusk
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08-27-2006 16:18
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Captors Release Two FOX News Journalists Kidnapped in Gaza Aug. 14

Sunday , August 27, 2006

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Two FOX News journalists were released by their kidnappers Sunday, nearly two weeks after they were taken hostage in the Gaza Strip.

Steve Centanni, 60, and Olaf Wiig, 36, left Gaza and have since crossed into Israel after their release. The men left Gaza through the Erez border crossing.

The freeing of Centanni, a correspondent, and Wiig, a cameraman, ends the longest-running drama involving foreign hostages in Gaza.

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The two journalists were dropped off at Gaza City's Beach Hotel by Palestinian security officials and appeared to be in good health. A tearful Centanni embraced a Palestinian journalist briefly as he entered, then rushed upstairs as Wiig followed.

Centanni, in a phone interview shortly after his release, said "I'm fine. I'm just so happy to be free."

He said he was so emotional because he was out and alive.

"There were times when I thought 'I'm dead,' and I'm not," Centanni said. "I'm fine. I'm so very happy."

He recounted how he and Wiig were pulled out of their car on August 14 and taken at gunpoint into another car. The kidnappers blindfolded them and handcuffed their hands behind their backs with plastic ties. They were then transferred to another car and driven to a building that they later learned was a garage.

"We were pushed down onto the dirt-covered concrete floor and we were forced to lie face down with our handcuffs on," Centanni said.

"Olaf was in the same room with me. Our shoulders were wrenched back, very painful."

Both of the men were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint, Centanni said.

"We were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint," Centanni told FOX News. "Don't get me wrong here. I have the highest respect for Islam, and I learned a lot of good things about it, but it was something we felt we had to do because they had the guns, and we didn't know what the hell was going on."

Centanni's brother, Ken, spoke to FOX News directly after the news was released.

"It's just a tremendous amount of relief, overwhelming relief," he said.

Later Sunday, Centanni and Wiig appeared before reporters, then traveled to the Erez crossing into Israel to leave Gaza.

"I want to thank everybody. I am happy to be here. I hope that this never scares a single journalist away from coming to Gaza to cover the story because the Palestinian people are very beautiful and kind hearted," Centanni told reporters. "The world needs to know more about them. Don't be discouraged."

Wiig also said he was worried that the kidnapping would scare off reporters.

"My biggest concern really is that as a result of what happened to us foreign journalists will be discouraged from coming to tell the story and that would be a great tragedy for the people of Palestine," Wiig said. "You guys need us on the streets, and you need people to be aware of the story."

Wiig's wife, Anita McNaught, thanked Palestinian officials and FOX News for their efforts in getting the men released. The men refused to take questions.

Before that, the two journalists made a joint appearance with Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas. Haniyeh, Centanni and Wiig sat in a circle of chairs at the Beach Hotel. Wiig was also accompanied by his wife.

The day had begun with promises by senior Palestinian officials that the two would be released in coming hours.

At the same time, before the journalists' release, a new video was released, showing Wiig and Centanni dressed in beige Arab-style robes. Wiig, of New Zealand, delivered an anti-Western speech, his face expressionless and his tone halting. The kidnappers claimed both men had converted to Islam.

The journalists had been seized in Gaza City on Aug. 14 by a previously unknown group calling itself the Holy Jihad Brigades. However, senior Palestinian security officials said Sunday the name was a front for local militants, and that Palestinian authorities had known the identity of the kidnappers from the start.

Haniyeh also confirmed the kidnappers were from Gaza, squashing speculation that Al Qaeda had directed the abduction. "The kidnappers have no link to Al Qaeda or any other organization or faction," Haniyeh said. "Al Qaeda as an organization does not exist in the Gaza Strip."

It remained unclear whether the kidnappers had ties to Hamas or the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a violent offshoot of Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah movement. A third group, the Popular Resistance Committees, claimed Sunday it had helped mediate the release of the journalists.

In chaotic Gaza, gunmen often change their affiliation or form splinter groups. Their agendas are often driven by personal issues, including jobs and power for their clans, rather than by ideology.

In the past two years, Palestinian militants have seized more than two dozen foreigners, usually to settle personal scores, but released them unharmed within hours. The holding of the FOX journalists had been the longest.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,210645,00.html


Well, I'll be over here waiting for all the outrage and indignation over the imposition of another religion on these men.

-Kiamat Dusk
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Alex Fitzsimmons
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08-27-2006 16:36
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/23/kidnapped.journalists/index.html

"There is no specific mention in the leaflet of the two journalists or their names, and there is no statement about what would be done if the conditions aren't met ...

The group is unknown, and its leaflet lacks a logo and a date.

Holy Jihad Brigades 'might be a fake' militant group, said Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas."

Wow. Even CNN is willing to report on how suspicious this "terrorist group" appears.

Well, I'll be over here waiting for the careful, rational consideration of this alleged terrorist kidnapping and whether it is or is not truly legitimate.
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08-27-2006 19:41
I'm still waiting for this thread to implode
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Chip Midnight
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08-27-2006 20:33
Seems a rather stupid thing to force someone to do at gunpoint.
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Warda Kawabata
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08-27-2006 21:09
Next up, anarcho-terrorists will be kidnapping people at gunpoint tomake them agree that society should be free from coercion.
Tod69 Talamasca
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08-27-2006 21:27
Um, I'm confused. If they were pointing a gun at my head saying "Convert to Islam and we release you or DIE!" I'd be like "Ok. Sure! Whatever it takes". Play their game, then when you're back home, say "HA-HA!! Just kidding!! I was faking it/had my fingers crossed!!"

Am I the only who thought of this???? :confused:
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08-27-2006 21:31
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Um, I'm confused. If they were pointing a gun at my head saying "Convert to Islam and we release you or DIE!" I'd be like "Ok. Sure! Whatever it takes". Play their game, then when you're back home, say "HA-HA!! Just kidding!! I was faking it/had my fingers crossed!!"

Am I the only who thought of this???? :confused:


Nah, I'm pretty sure most of us thought of this - some people think we should be outraged over the "coerced conversion." I don't think those journalists are going to be followed to make sure they start practicing Islam... just sayin'
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08-27-2006 21:35
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I'm still waiting for this thread to implode


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08-28-2006 12:23
From: Alex Fitzsimmons
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/23/kidnapped.journalists/index.html

"There is no specific mention in the leaflet of the two journalists or their names, and there is no statement about what would be done if the conditions aren't met ...

The group is unknown, and its leaflet lacks a logo and a date.

Holy Jihad Brigades 'might be a fake' militant group, said Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas."

Wow. Even CNN is willing to report on how suspicious this "terrorist group" appears.

Well, I'll be over here waiting for the careful, rational consideration of this alleged terrorist kidnapping and whether it is or is not truly legitimate.



I question any supposed Islamic extremist group that somehow calls itself an English name. Especially shitty words like "Brigades".
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08-28-2006 12:24
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It'd be more of a *shloop*
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08-28-2006 13:51
This probably is their Islamic name just translated into English, duh. Why is anyone surprised over this?

The whole purpose in life for millions of radical Muslims is to, in true Borg-like fashion, conquer and forcibly assimilate non-Muslims. If a non-muslim doesn't convert, then he dies.

The first rule of warfare is to know your enemy. Europeans, and many Americans too, really need to take their heads out of their asses on this and realise what we're dealing with here.
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08-28-2006 13:56
From: Arthax Bachman
This probably is their Islamic name just translated into English, duh. Why is anyone surprised over this?

The whole purpose in life for millions of radical Muslims is to, in true Borg-like fashion, conquer and forcibly assimilate non-Muslims. If a non-muslim doesn't convert, then he dies.

The first rule of warfare is to know your enemy. Europeans, and many Americans too, really need to take their heads out of their asses on this and realise who we're dealing with here.



We really shouldn't be dealing with them at all.

Millions? Cite your sources.

And for all my searching, I can't find a damn Islamic word or phrase that translates to "brigade".
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08-28-2006 14:06
Corvus, considering "Islam" isn't a language, you might have some trouble finding an "islamic" word that means "bridgade" :) However, I'm sure you can find Arabic, Lebanese, or Farsi words that mean such - in fact, I did.

For example, in Arabic, you could have these two words:

سَرِيَّة

or

لِوَاء

although damned if I know how to transliterate either to english.
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08-28-2006 14:08
From: Chip Midnight
Seems a rather stupid thing to force someone to do at gunpoint.
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I agree. I think most people will agree that systematically denying people civil rights in the name of your religion is a much more effective means of coersion. Those silly Muslims. When will they learn?
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08-28-2006 14:08
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Corvus, considering "Islam" isn't a language, you might have some trouble finding an "islamic" word that means "bridgade" :) However, I'm sure you can find Arabic, Lebanese, or Farsi words that mean such - in fact, I did.

For example, in Arabic, you could have these two words:

سَرِيَّة

or

لِوَاء

although damned if I know how to transliterate either to english.



By "Islamic" I was grouping the languages, but nice aside :) And worthwhile research. Now, let's check Arabic sources for those characters in regards to a renegade group....
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08-28-2006 20:41
From: Chip Midnight
Seems a rather stupid thing to force someone to do at gunpoint.
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I'd been looking for a place to put this:

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08-28-2006 20:47
Ewwww, bro*smack* ow! I mean, mmmmmmm, broccoli! I loves me some broccoli!
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08-29-2006 13:36
I think this explains the pro-Islamic slant I've noticed on Fox news. This has probably been going on for quite some time.
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08-29-2006 14:08
What are we supposed to be outraged about again? These ARE terrorists right? Not just some bible thumpers standing on the street corner. Kiamat, you best turn liberal or we'll all be outraged.... oh wait we don't really care.
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08-29-2006 14:44
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Next up, anarcho-terrorists will be kidnapping people at gunpoint tomake them agree that society should be free from coercion.


Listen, now, you're going to die, Raymond K. K. K. Hessel, tonight. You might die in one second or in one hour, you decide. So lie to me... Fill in the blank. What does Raymond Hessel want to be when he grows up?

A vet, you said, you want to be a vet, a veterinarian.

That means school. You have to go to school for that.

It means too much school, you said.

You could be in school working your ass off, or you could be dead. You choose...

So, I said, go back to school. If you wake up tomorrow morning, you find a way to get back to school.

Raymong K. K. Hessel, your dinner is going to taste better than any meal you've eaten, and tomorrow will be the most beautiful day of your entire life.
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08-29-2006 14:48
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What are we supposed to be outraged about again? These ARE terrorists right? Not just some bible thumpers standing on the street corner. Kiamat, you best turn liberal or we'll all be outraged.... oh wait we don't really care.

No, you're missing the entire point. The idea here is that if terrorists do some thing that is really really bad and americans do something that is less bad, then we're not supposed to be mad about americans doing bad things because they're not nearly as bad as terrorists. Its a sort of moral relativism.
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08-29-2006 14:52
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Listen, now, you're going to die, Raymond K. K. K. Hessel, tonight. You might die in one second or in one hour, you decide. So lie to me... Fill in the blank. What does Raymond Hessel want to be when he grows up?

A vet, you said, you want to be a vet, a veterinarian.

That means school. You have to go to school for that.

It means too much school, you said.

You could be in school working your ass off, or you could be dead. You choose...

So, I said, go back to school. If you wake up tomorrow morning, you find a way to get back to school.

Raymong K. K. Hessel, your dinner is going to taste better than any meal you've eaten, and tomorrow will be the most beautiful day of your entire life.


Sometimes, Finning, you honestly make my head hurt. :p
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08-29-2006 14:52
From: Zuzu Fassbinder
No, you're missing the entire point. The idea here is that if terrorists do some thing that is really really bad and americans do something that is less bad, then we're not supposed to be mad about americans doing bad things because they're not nearly as bad as terrorists. Its a sort of moral relativism.


Oh sorry, I forgot! I'm outraged! *falls asleep*
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