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Aster Lardner
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07-24-2006 20:53
I was just thinking about earthquakes. The probability that a major Earthquake could hit the SF bay Area before 2032 Years is 62%.. You might think so what, that's a 50-50-ish chance in the next quater century. The probability increases with time, but there could be like a 1 in 25 chance (?) that Linden Labs (and the facility where SL servers are located) could get hit by an earthquake of the same magnitude as the the 1989 tremor that knocked out power and telephone for days in the next year. It is nestled right between two active faults. Could you go without SL for days? >.< And what if our favorite Lindens got hurt in a tsunami? I hope they have a lifeboat at linden labs. ^_^;;; Food for thought.
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Sally Rosebud
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07-24-2006 21:44
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, now we'll have mass hysteria! 
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Elle74 Zaftig
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07-24-2006 21:47
ACK NO!
I can't even deal with a 20 minute black-out. >.<
Pathetic I know...but hey...it's currently my lifeline.
It's TOO hot out to do anything too. Fakkin' aye...111 degrees today in N. Armpit, CA.
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Juro Kothari
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07-24-2006 22:05
They won't need a lifeboat - SF will not sink into the ocean. While SF may have been out of power for 3 days, most of the bay area was without power for hours, not days. I didn't even lose power at my place, though my phone was out for 2 days. Most good data centers have disaster plans on the books and have standby infrastructure in the event of a truly serious event. I don't think you really need to worry about any major tsunami activity after an earthquake along any of the faults around San Francisco, as the type of fault is not the type that generates the kind of devastating tsunami we saw in the Indian Ocean in 2004 and again this year. There might be small tsunami events generated by underwater landslides, but those would probably be similar to what we saw in '89 - less than 5ft.
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Einsman Schlegel
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07-24-2006 22:10
My HQ has been out for 5 days now at work.. Boy has it been FUN.
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Musuko Massiel
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07-25-2006 01:20
I'd better make the CKC shop building earthquake-proof. Heh.
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Aster Lardner
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07-25-2006 08:57
From: Juro Kothari They won't need a lifeboat - SF will not sink into the ocean. While SF may have been out of power for 3 days, most of the bay area was without power for hours, not days. I didn't even lose power at my place, though my phone was out for 2 days. Most good data centers have disaster plans on the books and have standby infrastructure in the event of a truly serious event. I don't think you really need to worry about any major tsunami activity after an earthquake along any of the faults around San Francisco, as the type of fault is not the type that generates the kind of devastating tsunami we saw in the Indian Ocean in 2004 and again this year. There might be small tsunami events generated by underwater landslides, but those would probably be similar to what we saw in '89 - less than 5ft. From what I read it was less than 3 ft. ^_^; My friend who lives in Hayward (whose father is a disaster preparedness specialist) say that last earthquare was horribily over-dramafied. I just think too much.
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Chip Midnight
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07-25-2006 09:09
From: Juro Kothari I don't think you really need to worry about any major tsunami activity after an earthquake along any of the faults around San Francisco, as the type of fault is not the type that generates the kind of devastating tsunami we saw in the Indian Ocean in 2004 and again this year. There might be small tsunami events generated by underwater landslides, but those would probably be similar to what we saw in '89 - less than 5ft. There's a major subduction fault off the coast of Washington state that could produce a major tsunami (and has in the past). I'm not sure how it would effect the California coast.
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Jake Reitveld
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07-25-2006 09:18
So I have been to the co-location facility, and really, they have engineered it to dedal with a major quake, if a quake is big enough to affect that facility, most of us will not be thinkiung about second life.
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maxxx Drebin
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07-25-2006 09:31
From: Chip Midnight There's a major subduction fault off the coast of Washington state that could produce a major tsunami (and has in the past). I'm not sure how it would effect the California coast. I think something like that would have little effect on Ca. An earthquake in Japan or the eastern pacific would be worse for Ca.
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Inigo Chamerberlin
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07-25-2006 09:47
Good to see that there are so many earthquake and seismic experts in the forums.
I'll merely mention 1906, 28 ft displacement and earthquake soil liquefaction in areas reclaimed from the bay.
I have to say I do wonder at times about the foresight of all the hi-tec companies clustering in the area. After all, that is a lot of room in the US, surely they could have found somewhere a little less risky?
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-25-2006 09:49
LOL where? Kansas is twister country. The south? hurricane alley. The northeast? blizzards constantly.
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Juro Kothari
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07-25-2006 12:31
From: Inigo Chamerberlin I'll merely mention 1906, 28 ft displacement and earthquake soil liquefaction in areas reclaimed from the bay.
Most of the damage was due to fire, not the earthquake. There has also been 100 years of improvements in building construction techniques. It's not to say that major damage can't happen, but it is far less likely now than it was in 1906.
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maxxx Drebin
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07-25-2006 13:13
From: Juro Kothari Most of the damage was due to fire, not the earthquake. There has also been 100 years of improvements in building construction techniques. It's not to say that major damage can't happen, but it is far less likely now than it was in 1906. Building construction still does not change the groung which buildings are built on. The reclaimed ground still liquifies in a major earthquake. Most buildings don't float very well. Hmmm, build an ark.........
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Billybob Goodliffe
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07-25-2006 13:15
I wonder if ping time would improve if we moved LL to say Atlanta? Wait did I say that out loud? 
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maxxx Drebin
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07-25-2006 13:20
From: Billybob Goodliffe LOL where? Kansas is twister country. The south? hurricane alley. The northeast? blizzards constantly. Under ground salt mine in Utah, old missle silo. I think the best way is to put multipue server farms at distant locations. That way if something drops the first one (fire, flood, earthquake...) the second one picks up the load.
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Inigo Chamerberlin
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07-25-2006 13:21
From: Billybob Goodliffe LOL where? Kansas is twister country. The south? hurricane alley. The northeast? blizzards constantly. Yes, I've often felt that the American continent isn't the most friendly environment on earth.  Still, from what I've been told, New Mexico and Arizona aren't too bad as far as weather/volcano/earthquake/hurricane/tornado threats are concerned. There must be a few other areas too?
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Inigo Chamerberlin
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07-25-2006 13:25
maxxx Drebin ] Underground salt mine in Utah, old missle silo. I think the best way is to put multipue server farms at distant locations. That way if something drops the first one (fire, flood, earthquake...) the second one picks up the load. Been there, done it, it seems to work too. But having servers in a single location in bloody Florida a few years back was pretty stupid in the first place I have to admit. Now I'm in Connecticut and Arizona.
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Jennyfur Peregrine
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07-25-2006 13:38
From: Jake Reitveld So I have been to the co-location facility, and really, they have engineered it to dedal with a major quake, if a quake is big enough to affect that facility, most of us will not be thinkiung about second life. True that. The co-location facility is where I would want to be during an earthquake in San Francisco. That place is amazing.
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Juro Kothari
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07-25-2006 14:25
From: maxxx Drebin Building construction still does not change the groung which buildings are built on. The reclaimed ground still liquifies in a major earthquake. Most buildings don't float very well. Most buildings in the bay area are not built on landfill. All of the tall skyscrapers that are on landfill are anchored to the bedrock below, which is why in 1989 none of the tall towers suffered any significant damage. The strucutres in the Marina district, which are also on landfill, suffered damage due to construction techniques and the amplified shaking caused by the landfill, but not from liquefaction. The apartment structures that collapsed did not have sufficient lateral bracing on the first floor (which is where the garages are/were) and so the supporting walls buckled. There was some liquefaction, but none of the buildings sank or floated away.
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Juro Kothari
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07-25-2006 14:29
From: Jennyfur Peregrine True that. The co-location facility is where I would want to be during an earthquake in San Francisco. That place is amazing. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's in a new building and the company has locations across the U.S.
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DolphPun Somme
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07-26-2006 02:33
From: Inigo Chamerberlin I have to say I do wonder at times about the foresight of all the hi-tec companies clustering in the area. After all, that is a lot of room in the US, surely they could have found somewhere a little less risky? Two words: Static Electricity. I get into trouble as a computer professional when I have to travel. There is next to no static electricity in the SF bay area and it is always a ... shock, to have to re-learn static electricity safety.
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Candide LeMay
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07-26-2006 03:11
Awww ... 2032? Now we'll never get the Havok update 
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Alexandre Rehnquist
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07-27-2006 10:52
Well, tbh, the building suffering damage shouldn't be the major concern. Loss of power for days should be. What kind of secondary mechanisms does the server facility posess to provide power in cause of critical failure?
I donna wanna die in SL from starvation ^^
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Juro Kothari
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07-27-2006 11:40
From: Alexandre Rehnquist Well, tbh, the building suffering damage shouldn't be the major concern. Loss of power for days should be. What kind of secondary mechanisms does the server facility posess to provide power in cause of critical failure? I donna wanna die in SL from starvation ^^ If LL is hosted at the facility I'm thinking it is, that company has several locations around the U.S. and can take up the slack for the SF location in the event shit really goes wrong.
That facility also has 10 2.1 Megawatt generators and at least 60,000 gallons of fuel *on site* that should provide enough power to keep the lights on until PG&E gets everything settled.
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