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Vampaerus Wysznik
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09-01-2008 15:53
seems lots of folks are having troubles with the newest nVidia drivers. Well it looks like that was prefaced by something far worse: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-g84-g86-chips-overheating,6121.html http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/12/nvidia-g92s-g94-reportedly seems there's a physical weakness to heat stress in just about every gf8xxx and gf9xxx chip itself! And worse the articles imply nv is trying to keep it hushed.  This is especially relevant to folks with a laptop with a gf8/9. Contact your laptop manufacturer to see if they have a bios bandaid and get a decent undercarriage cooler. It's also relevant to desktop machines, but less so. Tho if you OC beware. It might be wise to download a tweaker app and manually boost your fan a bit. If you were considering scrapping the stock hsf and going aftermarket, this might be all the more reason. This also explains why the 200 series was pushed out the door in a hurry. The lit on 200's does specifically state a completely re-engineered thermal package (gee I wonder why they felt the need to mention that  ) so the HW is OK. But, it would appear they rushed driver development too much. But why oh why back release the crappy 177's to older cards is beyond me. If you have a card on older drivers that ain't broke, don't upgrade drivers unnecessarily. Plus new drivers for 200s will be slow with so much of their staff trying to cover/patch the old stuff for OEMs.  That pretty much wraps up ANY high end vid card is SL-borked one way or another???
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Dinalya Dawes
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09-01-2008 16:12
*sighs* This is why I so need a new computer. If I'm not losing things in world they are being broken by issues like this now. *mutters* Thanks for more info on it.
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Jesse Barnett
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09-01-2008 16:19
Desktop + nvidia 8800 + 5 small fans and 2 large fans == luv
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Peggy Paperdoll
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09-01-2008 16:26
Desktop plus 8600GT on 169.25 drivers =  |
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Maggie McArdle
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09-01-2008 17:16
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Morgaine Alter
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09-01-2008 17:35
wtf
I just got this laptop cuz of the last one melted constantly due to manufacture errors
grrr
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Yannis Martynov
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09-23-2008 11:49
the worse part is that, the heat tolerance architecture in Nvidia chips has always been bad... and the line goes as back as TNT models.... i am replacing a 7300GS atm for heat-related malfunctions... sighs.
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Azadine Umarov
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09-23-2008 12:06
From: Dinalya Dawes *sighs* This is why I so need a new computer. If I'm not losing things in world they are being broken by issues like this now. *mutters* Thanks for more info on it. G84-G86 IS standard on many new computers, or was as of 3 months ago, sez the owner of a potentially brickable 8500 GT card. Well, at least mine's in a desktop machine and not overclocked. One more reason to leave SL, I guess? This is also the reason I used to use a Palm Pilot and now use a Kindle instead of buying another overheating laptop. |
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Farley Crabgrass
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Problems with Nvidia 9600GT
09-25-2008 04:22
I have a new PC running xp with 3 gig ram and an Asus Nvidia 9600GT. Most of the times when I log into Second Life just as things are downloading I get video artifacts and it freezes - my PC locks it up tight. I then reboot and log in and there are no problems. It is definitely not a heat issue, I have fans galore and I have a 500 W power supply
I have tried one other driver and the same thing happens. The video has never crashed in other intense games or applications - just SL.
This card has an application included called Smart Doctor that provides for a lot of customizations and over clocking but I am using defaults - except I set it for Quality rather then 3D performance. I don't know enough about video cards and settings to mess with it.
I would welcome any suggestions
Thank you
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Beezle Warburton
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09-25-2008 04:26
From: Yannis Martynov the worse part is that, the heat tolerance architecture in Nvidia chips has always been bad... and the line goes as back as TNT models.... i am replacing a 7300GS atm for heat-related malfunctions... sighs. First thing I do for most desktop graphics cards -- tear off the stock cooler and file-13 it. Although my current 8600 came with a rather hefty heatsink with a Sunon fan, so I kept it the way it was
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Bailey Dharnen
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09-25-2008 05:25
FWIW, my GTX 280 runs 20c cooler than my 8800 Ultra at load.
Also, new 178.13 WHQL drivers were released today.
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Harrison Lewsey
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09-27-2008 10:18
From: Bailey Dharnen FWIW, my GTX 280 runs 20c cooler than my 8800 Ultra at load.
Also, new 178.13 WHQL drivers were released today. The GTX 280 uses a smaller size core, which runs cooler and more efficiently. Same as my 8800GTS 512 has a 65nm core opposed to the 90nm core the 8800 Ultra has, and the 8800GTS 512 can more or less perform the same as an Ultra in a lot of cases, but runs cooler.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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09-27-2008 12:24
From: Farley Crabgrass ...just as things are downloading I get video artifacts and it freezes - my PC locks it up tight. You might do better to start your own thread rather than mix your problem into this thread. What drivers have you used? Did you uninstall the current driver and run a registry cleaner before installing the replacement driver? You tried two drivers - are there other drivers you haven't tried? How's the drivers for the rest of the system other than the video card ? Have you updated them lately? Is your XP SP2 or SP3? What versions of SL have you tried? There's the LL current standard, release candidate, and the beta grid client to try from LL, and the Nicholaz and Cool Viewer, and the Onrez Viewer, and a bunch of various viewers to try. Have you tried updating quicktime, and if that doesn't work, uninstalling it? Same thing for Silverlight.
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Farley Crabgrass
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09-29-2008 06:18
From: SuezanneC Baskerville You might do better to start your own thread rather than mix your problem into this thread. All good suggestions some of which I havent done - I will work my way through them and repost - always appreciate your posts - very informative thanks again |
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Farley Crabgrass
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10-04-2008 20:45
From: SuezanneC Baskerville You might do better to start your own thread rather than mix your problem into this thread.
What drivers have you used? Did you uninstall the current driver and run a registry cleaner before installing the replacement driver? You tried two drivers - are there other drivers you haven't tried?
How's the drivers for the rest of the system other than the video card ? Have you updated them lately?
Is your XP SP2 or SP3?
What versions of SL have you tried? There's the LL current standard, release candidate, and the beta grid client to try from LL, and the Nicholaz and Cool Viewer, and the Onrez Viewer, and a bunch of various viewers to try.
Have you tried updating quicktime, and if that doesn't work, uninstalling it? Same thing for Silverlight. Point - set - match Suezanne! seems to be fixed with the addition of Quick Time (didn't have on my new pc) and the latest drivers. Thank you Suezanne |
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Tasman Perth
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10-04-2008 21:30
From: Vampaerus Wysznik
This is especially relevant to folks with a laptop with a gf8/9. Contact your laptop manufacturer to see if they have a bios bandaid and get a decent undercarriage cooler.
I've got one of those laptops you mention, a Dell Vostro 1400 w/ GF8400M.. I specifically ordered it with Nvidia video vs the brain-dead Intel integrated to allow me to run SL on it, and it does a fine job.. But you should see Dell tap-dancing and spinning these defective GF8/9 chips.. Their original "fix" was a bios "upgrade" that runs the fans all the time, and may just extend the life of the defective chip, pushing its failure outside your warrantee.. I guess they're getting hammered on this, as they finally extended the warantee on video for a WHOLE year... WHOOOPIE! Too little.. Too late... I've always been a Dell fan, have 4 of them on my network, but this fiasco is giving me a bad taste in my mouth... Sorry to vent.. Tas |