Nexus needs a new router! Comments/Suggestions please!
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Nexus Nash
Undercover Linden
Join date: 18 Dec 2002
Posts: 1,084
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08-26-2004 07:22
Hey guys! I'm moving into a new house soon and I will be getting a 5mbps line! WOOT! Now I only have a 1, so ya i'll be smoking! Anyways, I have an exsiting router (LinkSys BeFSR11 single port IN and OUT!) Over the last could months it's been causing me nothing but grief! Every so often I have to physicaly unplug the damn thing so my router re-connects with my modem. It seems to think that it becomes invisible! I can't ping it, get info, pass a packet through.. NOTHING, so then I reach under my desk and unplug, replug and ip renew release and TADA work for 2 mintues to 2 weeks! In my new house everything will be down in the basement, (i'm going to day to wire the house! YAY!) I would likw to get your opinion on the best (for residential, can be semi commercial) router AND (HUB/switch) 2 seperate units! Rack mount would be a plus but not a have to have! Your insight on this subject would be great! P.S. My D-Link 8 prot switch has been SUPERB over the years! (bought at teh same time as router)
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Grim Lupis
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Join date: 11 Jul 2003
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08-26-2004 09:29
Well, you didn't post a price range, so I'm assuming price is no object.  Cisco router w/ firewall. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps380/ps4873/index.htmlhttp://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/ps221/index.htmlHubs aren't such a big deal, there are alot of companies that sell hubs and there's not much difference between them. However, if I were setting up a new house and had the funds to go hard-core, I would most likely go with a 3Com switched hub. Regardless of what brand you go with, you should go for a switched hub if you're planning a large home network, or if you're going to have servers running from the house.
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Cubey Terra
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08-26-2004 10:12
Hi Nexus. I have a newish SMC "Barricade" router that I'm not using. 4 ports, plus serial and parallel. Contact me at [email]cubeyterra@cubeyterra.com[/email] if you're interested.
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Azelda Garcia
Azelda Garcia
Join date: 3 Nov 2003
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08-26-2004 11:21
None of the "cheap" routers you get seem really reliable, but Cisco is quite expensive for home use. Personally I used a linux box as a router, on an old 32MB laptop, and that worked very nicely  )) Azelda
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Catherine Omega
Geometry Ninja
Join date: 10 Jan 2003
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08-26-2004 15:14
Yeah, that's the only solution I can really recommend -- BSD (or Linux, if you're into that) on an old computer, and a switch. Everything else is either too expensive or too crappy.
Case in point: I run a crappy SMC router, which actually doesn't have any of the usual "SL on two computers" problems, but gives me no end of other trouble. It would make far more sense for me to dig up an old Pentium and set it to boot from a CD.
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Huns Valen
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Join date: 3 May 2003
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08-27-2004 04:44
Found on another forum: From: someone The pricepoint at which home routers are sold does not allow for consistant performance characteristics. Most common electronic components are priced on a sampling rate basis. What that means is "how many 'bad' ones do you get out of a sampling size", and what does 'bad' mean? Do you get one bad chip of RAM per 1000, per 10000, per 50000? And does bad mean that it drops a register ever 100 times, 1000 times, or 1000000 times?
The quality stuff mostly goes to OEMs. The really bad stuff gets tossed. The rest in between goes into parts bins. SoHo routers are designed using what's called "parts bin engineering." That means that the engineers take a look at whats avaliable at what prices and design the equipment based on that.
When you're talking about the VERY low production prices these devices are tuned to, reliability vs replacability becomes a huge factor. If I can buy 1 million 8Meg chips of ram knowing that 990,000 will last a year before going bad, then I can just indlude replacing 10,000 out of 500,000 routers a year in my price point. I may well know that another 20,000 chips will go bad within a further year, but I don't care about that because it's out of warranty, and my marketing research tells me that people will grumble, but they'll pony up another $50 for another router without too much crying.
So:
Some people have great luck with SoHo devices, but some people replace them every 9 months. Out of my group of friends & aquaintences I saw about 10 linksys routers go bad in one year, and that's when I stopped recommending linksys under any circumstance.
If you want reliability it's going to cost more than $50. If you are willing to spend $1500 then go buy a cisco 2600 and have fun. If you are willing to spend $150, go to a trade show and get a decent looking old PC w/ 2 NICs and install IPCop or M0n0wall.
When it comes to wireless, these problems are FANTASTICALLY exacerbated. People seem to think that they're goign to buy a router, a bunch of ram, competent code, a radio that reliably broadcasts and recieves freaking ETHERNET, and a four-port switch for <$200. They're fooling themselves. Right now the cheapest way to get reliable wi-fi is either an Apple Base Station or a good deal on an Orinoco-chipped business-grade AP. If you can find the latter it will be around $180, the former is consistantly avaliable refurbed from Apple for about $150. Other than that, you can either look into building your own as an extension to building your own router, or you can play the crap shoot with random-quality SOHO models.
Either way, go into it with your eyes open, and don't listen too much to the "I love netgear, I love linksys, I love d-link" crowd, because they are all built out of the same parts bins on the same price points. Summary: Apple/Cisco/Motorola/Orinoco are good choices, but you will pay for them. D-Link/Netgear/Linksys/etc. are cheapie brands and something of a crapshoot quality-wise. (Linksys is owned by Cisco, but they still use bargain basement parts, so it's the same issue as the other cheapo ones.)
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Nexus Nash
Undercover Linden
Join date: 18 Dec 2002
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08-29-2004 09:03
Cool thanks for the input guys! Ya price isn't really an issue, I have a spare pent 133mhz! It's not doing anything right now! But I have a small space for it, so i'll probably buy a router!
As for hub/switch, i think I might keep my D-Link, it's fine and pretty fast when I hammer the network and it's only like 3/4 inch thick and like 7 inches wide. But i'll keep shopping!
Cubey, if I can't find anything i'll give you a shout! I just hate buying used!
As for conenction problems... any ideas? IS it the router? That's what i'm thinking! I had one comp connected right up to the modem and I never got that problem!
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Ama Omega
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Join date: 11 Dec 2002
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08-29-2004 11:28
I use a d-link wireless router (DI-514, 802.11b so its slow), although I hardly use the wireless part. It works flawlessly for multiple computers playing SL, WoW, CoH and general internet stuff - wife and I both play whatever games we get and have never had a problem with the D-Link. It costs $40. The Linksys I had never worked right, finally really died and the one they sent to replace it never worked right either.
For normal users (not running your own servers essentially) I usually recommend D-Link. I hear netgear is pretty good but I don't have experience with them, and I don't like linksys at all.
The D-Link works out of the box for everything, the only settings I ever changed on it was to enter a wireless code thingy, and open some ports for a poorly programmed bit-torrent client (the WoW installer).
I did IT work for a while and came away from it with a very strong desire for my computer equipment to "just work". I don't want to futz around with a linux install / extra heater to use as a router when the cheap ones these days handle the standard stuff. But if your running servers and into that kind of stuff - I don't doubt the cheap ones might not do what you need or be as reliable as you need under heavy load.
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Azelda Garcia
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Join date: 3 Nov 2003
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08-29-2004 12:07
Nexus,
If you havent already done so, you might try upgrading the firmware to the latest version.
Make sure to write down the configuration before the upgrade, and hardreset the router (typically hold down reset button for 30 seconds or so) after the upgrade, then reconfigure.
It might not do anything, but it might.
Azelda
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