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Lord Derryth
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09-13-2009 15:05
So what's going on with the lag? I've tested out my internet, played other games online and the only one that seems to lag on me is SL. Is there a fix around this? I seriously cannot do anything in the world.
Jumpman Lane
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09-13-2009 16:09
From: Lord Derryth
So what's going on with the lag? I've tested out my internet, played other games online and the only one that seems to lag on me is SL. Is there a fix around this? I seriously cannot do anything in the world.

same where and NOTHING ont the grid status though blue mars lags too
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Lord Derryth
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09-16-2009 15:14
What do we do now uninstall?
Milla Janick
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09-16-2009 21:28
Take a look at this:

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Lag#See_Also
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Lag#See_Also

There's some helpful information there.
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Jumpman Lane
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09-17-2009 16:06
prob all solved!
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Lord Derryth
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09-17-2009 21:31
Put down the crack you're smoking son. I don't need to tweak my settings in order to eliminate lag. I'm not the only with his problem.

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Peggy Paperdoll
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09-17-2009 22:00
Okay, son, I won't tell you it's your system.

I have a three year old Lenovo desktop with a Cor 2 Quad 6600 @ 1066 FBS, 3 gigs DDR2 2 @ 667 mhz system RAM, nVidia 9800GTX+ with 512 DDR3 VRAM, a WD 500 gig HD turning at a measly 7400 rpm, connected to the internet at 20,000 kbps down/1,000 kbps up. All on a Vista Home Premium 32 bit machine.

I don't have the lag you are having.........so you tell me where the problem is.
Lord Derryth
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09-18-2009 12:21
Not everyone is effected by the lag. Depends on your location and the server. When you see a lot of people complaining about lag, it has nothing to do with one person's system. Consider yourself lucky.
Peggy Paperdoll
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09-18-2009 13:30
Yeah a little luck could play into my physical location in relation to LL's servers. But, there is no guarantee I'll connection to SL through San Francisco everytime.......I could connect through Dallas, TX (that would be a sustaintial difference in milage.......higher ping times, etc). It's also very likely any route to and from the servers is not the most direct route. Unless you are in a country other than one in the North American Continent I don't believe that would be a factor...............especially so much lag to make SL such that you can't do anything.

I will concede that since the last server upgrade (or whatever they did a few weeks ago) that I have seen a little more lag than what was the norm before the upgrade.......but not so much to make SL unplayable.........not even close. Where I've noticed the biggest increase in lag is in the very texture rich sims or regions, in the highly populated sims/regions.......not a bit unlike before any upgrade (just slightly more noticable). What I've seen is probably server side lag. However to say it prevents you from doing anything is a huge stretch...........to me, it's not even annoying even though I can see it.

Like I said in my other post, I'm not going to tell you it's your system......you easily have twice the system as I have. But, I will suggest that how you have your system configured, what you are running in the background, how many programs you have open, and how you have your SL client configured in preferrences could (and probably will) effect how much lag you experience in game. If you have everything maxed, including draw distance even your computer will struggle to keep up.........SL is not a program that have professionally make textures optimized for performance (remember SL has close to 90% of it's content, textures, scripts, and what have you user created..........amateurs, if you will). For instance, I don't have my draw distance maxed (I use 256 meters), things like terrain detail and Linden trees about 3 /4 scale on the slider). I pick and choose what I want the most detail and sacrifice the stuff I don't care too much about......it's a compromise to get a level of good performance and detail that I want. Maxing everything lagged the hell out of me.......lower just a few things made a world of difference.

I don't think there's a computer in the world that can reliably run SL 100% maxed without some problems...........lag being one of the things that would be first noticed. This includes a gamer rig. That rig will run games that are optimized fantastically........a game not built that way all bets are off.
nikita Jefferson
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09-18-2009 14:38
I have had 2 homesteads in the last year and a half,one for a year the other for 6 months,i can honestly say they have been lag free.
But for the last 3 or 4 weeks it has been terrible there,if i fly and try to stop i keep flying this happens occasionally but it is something i have never experienced on my island before,when walking at times i get a bad rubber band effect,just keep walking and shoot back, also never experienced before.
The thing that is most annoying is when we are racing our cars on our track up in the air,all of a sudden the car shoot off into a sort of never never land,all blue,i can see myself shooting through the blue on the car seat but no car around me,i just have to sit back and wait till it stops and i wind up back on the track again.
We have raced on the track many times and that never happened until recently,but i will say for the past 3 nights i have nt been thrust into never never land,just hope it stays that way.
There are only 2 avys on the island when this happens.
Going out into sl is terrible these days, so much lag
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09-18-2009 14:56
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drivers for the dual LAN schnazzery on this board. even if your only using one connection.

video drivers too perhaps?
Peggy Paperdoll
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09-18-2009 15:19
A homestead sim is a sim that shares a single server with three other sims. Even though there are only two avis on your sim the number of avis on the sims sharing the server will impact your sim.
nikita Jefferson
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09-18-2009 15:26
From: Peggy Paperdoll
A homestead sim is a sim that shares a single server with three other sims. Even though there are only two avis on your sim the number of avis on the sims sharing the server will impact your sim.

I would agree with you but why after a year and a half,also a restart kicks you to another server and no change ,fps is around 35 to 40 and always 16 ms spare time
All the places with bad lag i go to usually have low fps and 0 spare time
Peggy Paperdoll
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09-18-2009 16:52
You know, I don't have an answer for you. I can only relate what I've experienced. Which is a slight increase in overall lag.........however that lag has not made it impossible to do anything. Which is what the complaint is in this thread. I'm merely trying to point to areas where I might have my settings a little different than yours in an effort to help. If you don't want to take my suggestions that's fine............I'm not arguing with you or anyone else.

As, I'm sure you know, there is nothing any single individual can to to lessen lag induced by the servers..........but there usually is a great deal one can do to lessen it on their individual clients. If you don't want to try anything, then suffer through this cycle of grid wide lag brought on by L (history says it will pass in a few weeks)............and stop arguing with people trying to help.
nikita Jefferson
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09-18-2009 16:59
From: Peggy Paperdoll
You know, I don't have an answer for you. I can only relate what I've experienced. Which is a slight increase in overall lag.........however that lag has not made it impossible to do anything. Which is what the complaint is in this thread. I'm merely trying to point to areas where I might have my settings a little different than yours in an effort to help. If you don't want to take my suggestions that's fine............I'm not arguing with you or anyone else.

As, I'm sure you know, there is nothing any single individual can to to lessen lag induced by the servers..........but there usually is a great deal one can do to lessen it on their individual clients. If you don't want to try anything, then suffer through this cycle of grid wide lag brought on by L (history says it will pass in a few weeks)............and stop arguing with people trying to help.

Who is arguing,all i was doing is adding my experience to the current grid wide lag,you were suggesting it is due to other homesteads on the same server as mine,i just suggested a restart to another server did'nt help,which would suggest it is'nt due to other homesteads on the same server i was on
I have never had any problems on a homestead until this latest grid problem,i know there i nothing i can do about it
As for the OP complaint,i would agree,when we go shopping the lag is terrible and most places we go its the same,
My homestead really is'nt a problem 99% of the time,the lag is not very much at all just once in a while as i described above in my previous post
Sindy Tsure
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09-18-2009 17:03
From: Peggy Paperdoll
A homestead sim is a sim that shares a single server with three other sims. Even though there are only two avis on your sim the number of avis on the sims sharing the server will impact your sim.

Er.. All sim hosts (aka: server hardware) have two dual-core processors on them; 4 cores per host. These are class-4 and class-5 hosts. Previous hardware (class-1, 2 and 3) had fewer cores per server but those are all gone from the main grid now.

For how many sims they stuff onto a single sim host:
- Full sims run 1 per core (4 per host)
- Openspace sims run 4 per core (16 per host)
- Homestead sims, last I heard, also run 4 per core (16 per host)
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Peggy Paperdoll
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09-18-2009 20:11
From: Sindy Tsure
Er.. All sim hosts (aka: server hardware) have two dual-core processors on them; 4 cores per host. These are class-4 and class-5 hosts. Previous hardware (class-1, 2 and 3) had fewer cores per server but those are all gone from the main grid now.

For how many sims they stuff onto a single sim host:
- Full sims run 1 per core (4 per host)
- Openspace sims run 4 per core (16 per host)
- Homestead sims, last I heard, also run 4 per core (16 per host)



Which all amounts to 1/4 the horsepower.......excuse me for keeping it simple.

I never suggested homestead sims with the other sims sharing the CORE is the cause of the grid wide lag. I suggested that the lag is not bad enough to cause it to be "not possible to do anything". I mentioned the sim sharing a single CORE with three other sims only because the argument was put forth that there were only two avatars on the sim.....thus implying the excessive lag was not related to the number of avatars in the sim at the time of the lag. But, grid software.

Chiming in with tales of lag (I assume it's so bad that you cannot do anything either) and pointing to only two avis on homestead sim to emphasize the severity of LL's problem is misleading (at best). This thread started with the OP claiming that the lag was so severe he could not do a thing. Then he posts the specs for his super, hopped up gamers rig (with the statement "don't tell me it's my computer, son". I looked at the specs, knowing my computer is less than half as powerful and posted my first response. If the OP truly cannot do anything in SL with that computer, he has a big problem somewhere either in his configuration, network, or hardware.........or, as I suspect, he grossly exxeragated his issue. SL has lag.....it's never completely lag free. There are reasons for it. Some is server induced, some is client induced, some is computer or computer configuration induced. You can't do anything about the server side lag.......you can on the other causes. And I'm suggesting, instead of whining about the small amount of additional lag since the last upgrade, you fix what you can..........and perhaps, you can enjoy SL again.
Drecq Lexenstar
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09-18-2009 20:59
If it was a computer based issues which has been suggested then I could safely say that LL would be doing everything they could to make it more compatible with more computers and stop the lag issue. But because it possibly could be a server issue then they are not as concerned with it because...well that's just how it is why fix a system that is still working even if it is slow? While many would say fix it LL wont make that call till servers start crashing THEN they will fix it, its simple business practice "run it through the ground then fix it to cut cost". The majority of places such as LL runs this way so till the server crashes expect the lag people love or hate it its hear to stay :P
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09-18-2009 21:06
From: Peggy Paperdoll
Which all amounts to 1/4 the horsepower.......excuse me for keeping it simple.

Simple is fine. Got no problem with simple. You were also wrong, though.

edit: and you actually get less than 1/4 if you think about stuff like resource contention but I'll keep it simple.
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nikita Jefferson
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09-19-2009 05:52
From: Peggy Paperdoll
I mentioned the sim sharing a single CORE with three other sims only because the argument was put forth that there were only two avatars on the sim.....thus implying the excessive lag was not related to the number of avatars in the sim at the time of the lag. But, grid software.

Chiming in with tales of lag (I assume it's so bad that you cannot do anything either) and pointing to only two avis on homestead sim to emphasize the severity of LL's problem is misleading (at best).

Do you actually read the posts,at no point did i ever say the lag was excessive on my homestead,i mentioned it was terrible and i only use that term because to go from 0 lag to rubber banding occasionally when walking and flying and going into never never land occasionally when i never experienced that on my homestead before is annoying,i did say it was excessive when trying to go out to many shops,more than a few times my partner has said"lets go home" because the lag was so bad its like walking in mud and going no where.
I did say my homestead was 99% lag free and i realize that is hardly anything but it is annoying when in the middle of a race the car goes into never never land and i have to wait till it arrives back on the track to continue the race,i also said the last 3 days have been much better
I was just adding my experience thats all,not looking for any cure or explanation,i know all about the homesteads on servers etc etc,
I have been on sl long enough to see this lag stuff happen over and over,but it has never affected my homestead sim before,thats all i am trying to say.
I always found it a joy to get back to my homestead after having to deal with lag elswhere in sl,but this time it has affected my homestead when it usually does.nt
I only mentioned the 2 avys because someone usually makes reference to the number of avys on a sim related to lag
Peggy Paperdoll
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09-19-2009 10:56
Actually I do read the posts. And when I read the posts I read them in the context of the topic..........which is the OP claims he/she can do nothing in SL because of the lag. Had you read my entire post with the topic being discussed in mind you might have a different impression of what I'm saying. Cherry picking portions of a full statement distorts what I said. It's a popular method of furthering one's argument though.
Jack42 Meredith
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09-19-2009 12:11
i have had bad lag in the last 3 to 4 weeks also.. and mine started after i updated to the 1.23 .. the 1.22 was the last i recall a good experience.. i havent changed a thing on my end and pc is and will run high powered games and still does . the lag is on sl side not yours for the ppl that have did everything and have a decent pc. i have a little island also and it never lagged .. now from time to time i get hit with bad lag.. i just learn to live with it and hope that they update something soon
Lord Derryth
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09-20-2009 03:31
Second Life is a joke. I don't think I've had this much problems until I've come across Second Life. There's network mantle, lag, servers restarting, trouble connecting blaming the Internet connection on me. Yet I can play World of Warcraft and raid for 4hrs without a single lag or disconnect. When Second Life doesn't connect; my Internet is still flying high and mighty fast. I don't get it what they're doing on their end.
Jumpman Lane
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09-21-2009 15:03
crap this lag is back :(
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Phillip Wasp
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Lag? Gimme a break
09-22-2009 10:44
I've only been on SL a few months, but for anyone to suggest I could do something on my end to reduce the lag (or anything else) is totally ridiculous...I went through ALL the "tweaks" months ago; now I can honestly say to whomever that SL is virtually un-useable. The lag was sporadic and just a little annoying, but now, I can no longer go ANYWHERE in SL...and I have touched nothing on my system. I don't even attend building/ texture/scripting classes because it is an utter waste of time! I can go to my building platform in the sky, but that's it! To go anywhere on "ground level" would be cause to go postal on the real world...tired of freezing & especially "SL not responding". Oh- by the way- it just started a few weeks ago! My future with SL grows dimmer by the log-in...yesterday I froze 7 times in 4 minutes!