Breach in SL Permissions System?

I sold a customer through my vendor / server system a prim object with legally licenced animations in it. On the animations, and the prim object, I set transfer / no copy. Those are indeed the permissions in the server, I have triple checked.

Customer asked for a refund, thought they were full perm (he missed the 10 metre high sign in the store stating the permissions.)

The customer handed them back to me 10 minutes ago; I refunded the customer.

Because the customer was an bit of an arrogant dork about it, I decided to look inside the prims before deleting them to make sure he hadn't pulled a fast one and emptied the contents out first (yes, I know, I should remember to do that first.)

Anyway, lo and behold, to my surprise, all the animations inside came back as full perm to me -- after they had been through the customers hands.

I handed a copy of what the customer returned to me to my biz partner, and he is able to make multiple copies of them.

I have never seen this before; is something wrong? I would have expected to see the anims no copy after being through the customers hands. I took screen caps to document the perms on the returned item.

Shouldn't next owner perms have kicked in a zillion times previous?

(nope, I didn't confuse them with a similar item in my invy; I don't keep them in my invy, and I keep my invy proudly around 1600)

You need to jira this and make it critical.

Okay, so did this ever get reported? or just posted here on the forums that LL doesn't read?

New feature??... the creator gets the original permissions back???

That would be a better cause than some I might worry about, but the OP said passing the object to someone else still had full perms.

...was this a copiable object? The perms are only fully enforced on rez.

actually I have had this happen to me on several occasions. The permissions to the customer was exactly as it was, but for some meraculous (i'm aware I can't spell for anything) reason, it was full perms to me, scripts, object, all of it, even though the permissions on the object actually said transfer only. Why this happens I don't know. But from what i can tell, it only happens when its given back to the creator, maybe a uuid glitch or ownership glitch who knows. I can think of at least 10 different occasions over the past 6 months that this has happened to me.

Nope, no copy.

If I understand this correctly, you had animations inside container prims which were then contained in a box prim's inventory, correct?

If the contents are inside a prim which is inside a box, then the perms for the contents of the prim are never updated to a new owner until that inner prim is rezzed. Since this was done by you and you were the owner when they were packed, then they never "transferred" ownership so they retain the perms they had when packed and those packed prims packed into box. Technically, the contents of the prims contained in the box haven't "passed through" someone else's ownership.

I don't see in your message, were the next owner permissions of the anims still set for no copy as you had set them before sale?

If so, this is correct behavior, if anyone else had rezzed one of the prims inside that box, that prim's contents would have THEN taken on the selected "next owner" permissions.

If your customer never rezzed the box, then you would still have full perm ownership of the container prims as well.

~Boss

*bump on Boss' post*

You should first still have an alt buy the same package the customer did and rez it the regular way to make sure that the permissions you set on it before didn't glitch somehow. If everything checks out with the alt (which will put your mind at ease more than anything anyone here can say ) then you did run into a special case.

Next-owner permissions only really take effect on rez and the special case where an item is transferred to an avie and then given back to the original avie is actually documented.

* avie A creates a NM/NC/T default prim and hands three copies to avie B
* B rezzes one copy and ends with a NM/NC/T prim (new owner, next-owner permissions are baked as the base permission, no problems)
* B doesn't rez the second copy and gives it to avie C who rezzes it to end up with a NM/NC/T prim (new owner, next-owner permissions are baked as the base permission)
* B doesn't rez the third copy and gives it back to A who rezzes it to end up with a full permission prim (same owner, base permission remains the same as it was)

(If B or C give their copy that was rezzed back to A which then rezzes it, it will be NM/NC/T for A since the base permission was changed when B and C rezzed their copy)

(If A gives it to B who gives it to C who gives it back to A, all without rezzing, A once again ends up with a full permission prim)

It might seem like something went wrong with the special case, but it really never did. If B tries to use the prim in any way, the base permission gets reset as you'd expect. When it's given back to A, A had full permission of the prim when it created it and noone has actually done anything with it so there's no flaw there either.

Please try all the scenarios above with an alt/friend if it doesn't seem clear, you'll notice that nothing is ever happening that shouldn't .

When this has happened to me its been completely random, you could try the alt as suggested, but more then likely it won't happen again till later down the road at a completely random time. Why this happens I haven't a clue but it does happen, I don't know if the server misintereprets the information and simply thinks that it was always there I don't know. But I can tell you from previous experience, the person that had it before you DID NOT have the full permissions. I have a feeling that somehow when it was given back to you the asset server screwed up and thought that it was basically like if you picked it up off the ground after creating/editing it.