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Ness Gilman

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02-19-2004 18:36

Whenever I log in, a terms of service agreement window pops up. I've been waiting an hour and it still hasn't loaded. I run a Windows XP, if that helps. Thanks!

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02-19-2004 20:26

Are you on high speed internet?

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Ness Gilman

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02-19-2004 21:27

Yep. Wireless DSL

Lordfly Digeridoo

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02-19-2004 22:32

Hmm... what's your other computer specs?

If I had to take a random stab, maybe SL isn't recognizing your wireless as an actual 'net connection? dunno

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Ness Gilman

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02-20-2004 15:22

512 MB of RAM
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110 GB of space left

James Miller

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Join date: 9 Jan 2003

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02-20-2004 18:14

Try moving closer to your wifi hub or router or whatever. I have a feeling that the connection is too slow, and it's as if you're on dialup. If you can plug it in and test it then, that would be good too.

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Ness Gilman

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02-20-2004 21:20

I tried Second Life on my other computer, it got past the terms of service and everything, but now it crashes when I play every minute. Now I'm back on this one, past the TOS too, but I can't move or anything. I can turn and click on things with the pie menu, but not move or build.

Darwin Appleby

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Join date: 14 Mar 2003

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02-20-2004 21:36

That's strange indeed! I guess you tried the wsad keys as well as the up, down, left and right keys?

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Ness Gilman

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02-20-2004 21:50

Yeah. I may be able to provide a video if you want

Xadrian Baysklef

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02-20-2004 21:57

Hiya Ness. Quick question - do you have any sort of firewall setup, and if so, is it possibly blocking any outgoing ports?

Ness Gilman

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Join date: 19 Feb 2004

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02-20-2004 21:58

The video is ready. I just need to send it to someone over AIM and hopefully they'll help me/upload it.

Ness Gilman

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Join date: 19 Feb 2004

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02-21-2004 11:13

Strange, I just raised my KBS in Preferences, and now I can move, but it lags too much. Any way to stop some lag?

James Miller

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Join date: 9 Jan 2003

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02-21-2004 15:48

Lower draw distance, it's in the Options tab of Preferences.

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Ness Gilman

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02-21-2004 18:09

Already tried that. I seem to lag so much the game freezes, which happens every minute. I have to restart the game but it still happens.

Doug Linden

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Join date: 27 Nov 2002

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02-21-2004 21:19

Ness, a lot of these issues sound like they're related to high packet loss. If you look in the upper left of the screen, you'll see two indicators. The left one (I think) indicates packet loss. If you're seeing anything in that one at all, it means that your internet connection is being pretty flaky.

What exactly is "Wireless DSL" in your case? Who's the ISP?

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02-21-2004 23:49

or press alt+1 and look at the packet loss indicator

(note: I also think it is probably packet loss)

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Ness Gilman

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03-02-2004 16:08

I don't know who my ISP is. On my other computer, I have Yahoo! DSL, and down here is connected to a router. It lags a lot and it freezes after a while. Is there any way to fix this packet loss?

Ness Gilman

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Join date: 19 Feb 2004

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03-04-2004 16:34

Here is an image if it helps -

http://www.villagephotos.com/viewimage.asp?id_=8155665

James Miller

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03-04-2004 16:38

I can't view that image. Try making a new post, and make the image an attachment, below where you type in your message.

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Ness Gilman

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03-04-2004 17:32

Here we go.

Malachi Petunia

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03-04-2004 20:42

Ness, the ping sim time in your screen shot seems really high to me (although I'm not entirely sure what that value represents). I suspect that network latency may be at issue - bandwidth and latency can vary independently, you can pull a consistent 500kbps, but if it takes 0.6s to get there, there may be trouble.

On secondlife.com/download/utilities.php are some bandwidth and traceroute tools that may be useful in figuring this out. If you want to post the results here, I might be able to give you some more insight.

Ness Gilman

Junior Member

Join date: 19 Feb 2004

Posts: 14

03-06-2004 14:28

Here are the results:

|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| My I.P - 0 | 27 | 27 | 0 | 84 | 265 | 109 |
|adsl-67-112-79-254.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net - 0 | 27 | 27 | 63 | 136 | 282 | 63 |
| dist1-vlan50.lsan03.pbi.net - 8 | 27 | 24 | 62 | 158 | 390 | 78 |
| bb1-g1-0-1.lsan03.pbi.net - 8 | 26 | 24 | 63 | 169 | 313 | 297 |
| ex1-p3-0.eqlaca.sbcglobal.net - 8 | 26 | 24 | 63 | 168 | 296 | 219 |
| sl-st20-la-4-0.sprintlink.net - 8 | 26 | 24 | 62 | 193 | 391 | 157 |
| sl-st21-la-3-0.sprintlink.net - 8 | 26 | 24 | 78 | 170 | 375 | 94 |
| so-2-0.core2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net - 8 | 26 | 24 | 62 | 161 | 297 | 156 |
| unknown.Level3.net - 4 | 26 | 25 | 94 | 166 | 313 | 125 |
| unknown.Level3.net - 4 | 26 | 25 | 78 | 148 | 328 | 125 |
| so-0-0-0.mp1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net - 0 | 26 | 26 | 78 | 169 | 406 | 94 |
| so-10-0.ipcolo1.SanFranciso1.Level3.net - 4 | 26 | 25 | 78 | 203 | 375 | 93 |
| data.agni.lindenlab.com - 4 | 26 | 25 | 78 | 167 | 297 | 110 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
WinMTR - 0.7. Copyleft @2000-2001 Vasile Laurentiu Stanimir ( [email]stanimir@cr.nivis.com[/email] )

Ness Gilman

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Join date: 19 Feb 2004

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03-12-2004 22:50

If this helps, I'm behind a router with linksys.

James Miller

Village Idiot

Join date: 9 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,500

03-13-2004 07:45

Well, I have no idea, hopefully a Linden will reply. However, try switching out routers and stuff. Maybe go buy a nice new D-Link, they seem to be great with SL.

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Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	02-19-2004 18:36 Whenever I log in, a terms of service agreement window pops up. I've been waiting an hour and it still hasn't loaded. I run a Windows XP, if that helps. Thanks!
Lordfly Digeridoo Prim Orchestrator Join date: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 3,628	02-19-2004 20:26 Are you on high speed internet? LF _____________________ ---- http://www.lordfly.com/ http://www.twitter.com/lordfly http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	02-19-2004 21:27 Yep. Wireless DSL
Lordfly Digeridoo Prim Orchestrator Join date: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 3,628	02-19-2004 22:32 Hmm... what's your other computer specs? If I had to take a random stab, maybe SL isn't recognizing your wireless as an actual 'net connection? dunno LF _____________________ ---- http://www.lordfly.com/ http://www.twitter.com/lordfly http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	02-20-2004 15:22 512 MB of RAM GeForce FX 5600XT 110 GB of space left
James Miller Village Idiot Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,500	02-20-2004 18:14 Try moving closer to your wifi hub or router or whatever. I have a feeling that the connection is too slow, and it's as if you're on dialup. If you can plug it in and test it then, that would be good too. _____________________ George W. Bush hates America.
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	02-20-2004 21:20 I tried Second Life on my other computer, it got past the terms of service and everything, but now it crashes when I play every minute. Now I'm back on this one, past the TOS too, but I can't move or anything. I can turn and click on things with the pie menu, but not move or build.
Darwin Appleby I Was Beaten With Satan Join date: 14 Mar 2003 Posts: 2,779	02-20-2004 21:36 That's strange indeed! I guess you tried the wsad keys as well as the up, down, left and right keys? _____________________ Touche.
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	02-20-2004 21:50 Yeah. I may be able to provide a video if you want
Xadrian Baysklef Dancing Monkey Join date: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 59	02-20-2004 21:57 Hiya Ness. Quick question - do you have any sort of firewall setup, and if so, is it possibly blocking any outgoing ports?
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	02-20-2004 21:58 The video is ready. I just need to send it to someone over AIM and hopefully they'll help me/upload it.
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	02-21-2004 11:13 Strange, I just raised my KBS in Preferences, and now I can move, but it lags too much. Any way to stop some lag?
James Miller Village Idiot Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,500	02-21-2004 15:48 Lower draw distance, it's in the Options tab of Preferences. _____________________ George W. Bush hates America.
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	02-21-2004 18:09 Already tried that. I seem to lag so much the game freezes, which happens every minute. I have to restart the game but it still happens.
Doug Linden Linden Lab Developer Join date: 27 Nov 2002 Posts: 179	02-21-2004 21:19 Ness, a lot of these issues sound like they're related to high packet loss. If you look in the upper left of the screen, you'll see two indicators. The left one (I think) indicates packet loss. If you're seeing anything in that one at all, it means that your internet connection is being pretty flaky. What exactly is "Wireless DSL" in your case? Who's the ISP? - Doug
Huns Valen Don't PM me here. Join date: 3 May 2003 Posts: 2,749	02-21-2004 23:49 or press alt+1 and look at the packet loss indicator (note: I also think it is probably packet loss) _____________________ [ huns? \|\| words \|\| 1TBS KREW \|\| VHI Aircraft \|\| Whitepaper on Aircraft Physics ] Make yourself and your objects immune to llPushObject().
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	03-02-2004 16:08 I don't know who my ISP is. On my other computer, I have Yahoo! DSL, and down here is connected to a router. It lags a lot and it freezes after a while. Is there any way to fix this packet loss?
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	03-04-2004 16:34 Here is an image if it helps - http://www.villagephotos.com/viewimage.asp?id_=8155665
James Miller Village Idiot Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,500	03-04-2004 16:38 I can't view that image. Try making a new post, and make the image an attachment, below where you type in your message. _____________________ George W. Bush hates America.
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	03-04-2004 17:32 Here we go.
Malachi Petunia Gentle Miscreant Join date: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 3,414	03-04-2004 20:42 Ness, the ping sim time in your screen shot seems really high to me (although I'm not entirely sure what that value represents). I suspect that network latency may be at issue - bandwidth and latency can vary independently, you can pull a consistent 500kbps, but if it takes 0.6s to get there, there may be trouble. On secondlife.com/download/utilities.php are some bandwidth and traceroute tools that may be useful in figuring this out. If you want to post the results here, I might be able to give you some more insight.
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	03-06-2004 14:28 Here are the results: \|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\| \| WinMTR statistics \| \| Host - % \| Sent \| Recv \| Best \| Avrg \| Wrst \| Last \| \|------------------------------------------------\|------\|------\|------\|------\|------\|------\| \| My I.P - 0 \| 27 \| 27 \| 0 \| 84 \| 265 \| 109 \| \|adsl-67-112-79-254.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net - 0 \| 27 \| 27 \| 63 \| 136 \| 282 \| 63 \| \| dist1-vlan50.lsan03.pbi.net - 8 \| 27 \| 24 \| 62 \| 158 \| 390 \| 78 \| \| bb1-g1-0-1.lsan03.pbi.net - 8 \| 26 \| 24 \| 63 \| 169 \| 313 \| 297 \| \| ex1-p3-0.eqlaca.sbcglobal.net - 8 \| 26 \| 24 \| 63 \| 168 \| 296 \| 219 \| \| sl-st20-la-4-0.sprintlink.net - 8 \| 26 \| 24 \| 62 \| 193 \| 391 \| 157 \| \| sl-st21-la-3-0.sprintlink.net - 8 \| 26 \| 24 \| 78 \| 170 \| 375 \| 94 \| \| so-2-0.core2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net - 8 \| 26 \| 24 \| 62 \| 161 \| 297 \| 156 \| \| unknown.Level3.net - 4 \| 26 \| 25 \| 94 \| 166 \| 313 \| 125 \| \| unknown.Level3.net - 4 \| 26 \| 25 \| 78 \| 148 \| 328 \| 125 \| \| so-0-0-0.mp1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net - 0 \| 26 \| 26 \| 78 \| 169 \| 406 \| 94 \| \| so-10-0.ipcolo1.SanFranciso1.Level3.net - 4 \| 26 \| 25 \| 78 \| 203 \| 375 \| 93 \| \| data.agni.lindenlab.com - 4 \| 26 \| 25 \| 78 \| 167 \| 297 \| 110 \| \|________________________________________________\|______\|______\|______\|______\|______\|______\| WinMTR - 0.7. Copyleft @2000-2001 Vasile Laurentiu Stanimir ( [email]stanimir@cr.nivis.com[/email] )
Ness Gilman Junior Member Join date: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 14	03-12-2004 22:50 If this helps, I'm behind a router with linksys.
James Miller Village Idiot Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,500	03-13-2004 07:45 Well, I have no idea, hopefully a Linden will reply. However, try switching out routers and stuff. Maybe go buy a nice new D-Link, they seem to be great with SL. _____________________ George W. Bush hates America.

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