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Deirdre Criss

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04-05-2008 11:54

Forgive my ignorance, but how do prolonged outages such as this effect rent and tier fees? Are we still expected to pay our full share and just get less? If so, on the surface it seems very lucrative for them to have such outages.

Kalloth Deerhunter

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04-05-2008 12:04

From: Deirdre Criss

Forgive my ignorance, but how do prolonged outages such as this effect rent and tier fees? Are we still expected to pay our full share and just get less? If so, on the surface it seems very lucrative for them to have such outages.

True, but as someone else highlighted in another thread, the direct tier costs for the amount of system outage time would amount to less than £1 in most cases, or whatever the equivelent USD amount is.

While its still a loss, it really is very minimal, and while it might be 'lucrative' for LL to simply shut the servers down for "faked system outages" as was implied by your post, if they did this for long enough to actually see a profit, they'd almost certainly be looking at huge losses in terms of people leaving SL.

As annoyed as I am, I still think that LL are working as hard as they can to resolve the problem, I dont see any evidence to suggest otherwise at the moment, however if the outages continue then I may well change this point of view

Chin up guys and girls, its not fun and its not really acceptable but we cant let this degenerate into groundless accusations I think.

Ceedj Beaumont

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Join date: 25 Oct 2007

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04-05-2008 12:20

I can totally appreciate the complaints, but seriously people:

From: someone

1.6 Second Life is subject to scheduled and unscheduled service interruptions. All aspects of the Service are subject to change or elimination at Linden Lab's sole discretion.

Linden Lab reserves the right to interrupt the Service with or without prior notice for any reason or no reason. You agree that Linden Lab will not be liable for any interruption of the Service, delay or failure to perform, and you understand that except as otherwise specifically provided in Linden Lab's billing policies posted at http://secondlife.com/corporate/billing.php, you shall not be entitled to any refunds of fees for interruption of service or failure to perform. Linden Lab has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Service as it sees fit in its sole discretion.

1.7 In the event you choose to use paid aspects of the Service, you agree to the posted pricing and billing policies on the Websites.

Certain aspects of the Service are provided for a fee or other charge. These fees and charges are described on the Websites, and in the event you elect to use paid aspects of the Service, you agree to the pricing, payment and billing policies applicable to such fees and charges, posted or linked at http://secondlife.com/corporate/billing.php. Linden Lab may add new services for additional fees and charges, or proactively amend fees and charges for existing services, at any time in its sole discretion.

In other words, you agree with the TOS, just deal with it.

Darien Ashbourne

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Join date: 22 Dec 2007

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04-05-2008 12:21

ZOMG I want my 2.5L$ back! = P

Kahiro Watanabe

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04-05-2008 12:36

Actually we should be paying much less than 200 us$ for a sim. Because, besides the outages and maiteinance breaks, obviously SL is a Beta project so paying 200 / 300 us$ for a sim is not reasonable when the product is not yet stable.

And they pay the same to IBM and to simple ppl like us, I think they should reconsider that: mayor taxes for big corporation, less taxes for people, just like RL.

Firebrand Ember

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Join date: 1 Mar 2008

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Even one cent out w/o service is a rip-off.

04-06-2008 13:25

From: Darien Ashbourne

ZOMG I want my 2.5L$ back! = P

It adds up. Try stealing those same pennies from a bank and see if you don't land in jail. A rip-off is a rip-off, regardless of the amount.

I even recall some guy named Wrigley becoming a millionaire, and having a ball park named after him, by selling only five-cent packs of chewing gum.

Simply put, it adds up to money in the bank for the person--or in this case, Limping Lab (LL)--which gets to keep that [seemingly worthless] chump change instead of returning it to its rightful owners.

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Deirdre Criss Registered User Join date: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 1	04-05-2008 11:54 Forgive my ignorance, but how do prolonged outages such as this effect rent and tier fees? Are we still expected to pay our full share and just get less? If so, on the surface it seems very lucrative for them to have such outages.
Kalloth Deerhunter Registered User Join date: 2 Jan 2008 Posts: 7	04-05-2008 12:04 From: Deirdre Criss Forgive my ignorance, but how do prolonged outages such as this effect rent and tier fees? Are we still expected to pay our full share and just get less? If so, on the surface it seems very lucrative for them to have such outages. True, but as someone else highlighted in another thread, the direct tier costs for the amount of system outage time would amount to less than £1 in most cases, or whatever the equivelent USD amount is. While its still a loss, it really is very minimal, and while it might be 'lucrative' for LL to simply shut the servers down for "faked system outages" as was implied by your post, if they did this for long enough to actually see a profit, they'd almost certainly be looking at huge losses in terms of people leaving SL. As annoyed as I am, I still think that LL are working as hard as they can to resolve the problem, I dont see any evidence to suggest otherwise at the moment, however if the outages continue then I may well change this point of view Chin up guys and girls, its not fun and its not really acceptable but we cant let this degenerate into groundless accusations I think.
Ceedj Beaumont Registered User Join date: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 2	04-05-2008 12:20 I can totally appreciate the complaints, but seriously people: From: someone 1.6 Second Life is subject to scheduled and unscheduled service interruptions. All aspects of the Service are subject to change or elimination at Linden Lab's sole discretion. Linden Lab reserves the right to interrupt the Service with or without prior notice for any reason or no reason. You agree that Linden Lab will not be liable for any interruption of the Service, delay or failure to perform, and you understand that except as otherwise specifically provided in Linden Lab's billing policies posted at http://secondlife.com/corporate/billing.php, you shall not be entitled to any refunds of fees for interruption of service or failure to perform. Linden Lab has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Service as it sees fit in its sole discretion. 1.7 In the event you choose to use paid aspects of the Service, you agree to the posted pricing and billing policies on the Websites. Certain aspects of the Service are provided for a fee or other charge. These fees and charges are described on the Websites, and in the event you elect to use paid aspects of the Service, you agree to the pricing, payment and billing policies applicable to such fees and charges, posted or linked at http://secondlife.com/corporate/billing.php. Linden Lab may add new services for additional fees and charges, or proactively amend fees and charges for existing services, at any time in its sole discretion. In other words, you agree with the TOS, just deal with it.
Darien Ashbourne Registered User Join date: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 3	04-05-2008 12:21 ZOMG I want my 2.5L$ back! = P
Kahiro Watanabe Registered User Join date: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 572	04-05-2008 12:36 Actually we should be paying much less than 200 us$ for a sim. Because, besides the outages and maiteinance breaks, obviously SL is a Beta project so paying 200 / 300 us$ for a sim is not reasonable when the product is not yet stable. And they pay the same to IBM and to simple ppl like us, I think they should reconsider that: mayor taxes for big corporation, less taxes for people, just like RL.
Firebrand Ember Registered User Join date: 1 Mar 2008 Posts: 4	Even one cent out w/o service is a rip-off. 04-06-2008 13:25 From: Darien Ashbourne ZOMG I want my 2.5L$ back! = P It adds up. Try stealing those same pennies from a bank and see if you don't land in jail. A rip-off is a rip-off, regardless of the amount. I even recall some guy named Wrigley becoming a millionaire, and having a ball park named after him, by selling only five-cent packs of chewing gum. Simply put, it adds up to money in the bank for the person--or in this case, Limping Lab (LL)--which gets to keep that [seemingly worthless] chump change instead of returning it to its rightful owners.