When will SL run with the Up to date ATI DRIVERS???

here i play SL since now 3 years and every time i have tried to update my drivers to a version younger than july 2006 i cant play SL at all.

i have checked everything

it is a problem i only have on SL

it happen only with drivers from after 2006

the problem :

when logging in there is no issue but once i try to move from one step the FPS drop to 0.2 and stay still untill i quit the game. no change in the settings helps all i can guess is that since now 3 years i am filling tickets for nothing as the problems is still here and i hear many having the same issue.

so please please please SOLVE THIS DAMNED ISSUE

half the players cant play because of it.

if anyone has a solution different from : update your driver, raise your ram, change your pc go back to previous drivers and others please i am all waiting.

I am using this driver download: 8-12_vista32_dd_ccc_wdm_enu_72275

I think it is pretty recent. My card is an ATI HD 2600 XT.

Unless my drivers are pre-2006, and I am pretty sure those are 2008 seing how i just did a fresh install of Vista/Ubuntu 3-4 weeks ago and downloaded those drivers from the AMD/ATI website.

The problem is most likely something in your system.

Use Linux. The latest drivers work wonderfully with SL on that plaform.

Unless you have an ATI card and are running Ubuntu, in which case, Ubuntu may just run considerably slower than SL with no reason that any one else can figure out.

I just did a fresh install with Ubuntu as my primary OS and cannot really use it since SL runs so poorly with it, and that is using the latest drivers.

I posted a message for help but all i was told in return was that SL sometimes does that with ATI's and Ubuntu.

I am running Ubuntu 8.10.

Azumi, you'd do well to direct the blame for your woes where it belongs. You're barking up the wrong tree at the moment. Let me explain.

The real question is not "when will SL run with the Up to date ATI drivers". It's when will ATI start writing drivers that comply with up to date OpenGL standards. For many years now, ATI has stubbornly refused to follow established OpenGL conventions. Therefore, it's not uncommon at all for programs that utilize OpenGL heavily (like SL) to have difficulty with ATI drivers. If you're looking for somewhere to direct your anger, aim it squarely at ATI's development staff. LL's hands are tied until and unless ATI decides to comply.

In any case, what specific card do you have? If the card itself is as old as the drivers you mentioned, it's not to be unexpected that you'd have problems when you try to use newer ones. Don't let the fact that SL might be the only program you've seen trigger the problems fool you. It very well might be that none of your other programs use the particular OpenGL functions that your card and/or drivers are failing to run properly. What other 3D apps do you use?

I'd invite you to consider that thousands of SL users run ATI hardware, and most are able to do so successfully. Usually certain features (like vertex buffer objects, for example) need to be disabled in the viewer settings in order to make ATI hardware and drivers happy, but the viewer does run. If you're unable to run it at all with modern drivers, you're one of very few.

What are your full system specs? Perhaps we can pinpoint the issue, and help you resolve it. I suspect it's simply that your graphics card is too old.





By the way, Baloo, no offense, but these "use Linux" posts of yours are getting a little tiresome. Not everyone is interested in changing their entire operating system, just to make one driver run differently. Those of us who depend on being able to use Photoshop reliably, for example, aren't able to touch Linux with a 10 foot pole. Plus, as much as it might make the "MS can do no right" crowd cringe, some of us actually do like Windows.

I use Debian, so I'm not quite sure exactly what Ubuntu does for drivers... Did ubuntu install fglrx or the open drivers? If you type fglxinfo, does it properly detect the make and model of your GPU, or do you get a segmentation fault, or command not found?

by default it installs the open source drivers, which are horrid ... you have to goto the hardware manager thingie, which it will show you if theres other (real) drivers available

Oh come on, they're not that bad these days. Still not the greatest performing drivers, but they're much better than they were three months ago. Give it another year and I don't think they'll be a need for the closed-source drivers.



I'm shocked there's not a straightforward, command-line way to do this. Did Ubuntu make the same design mistake as Windows in this regard?

i dont know about the ati drivers, but the open source nvidia ones are unusable with a gui

and im sure there is a command line, but there is also a nice point n click interface for us dummies

The big difference right now is that ATI opened the specs required to develop proper open drivers for their GPUs. I can't recall any similar announcement out of nVidia. Without the hardware specs, driver developers are forced to reverse-engineer the spec for themselves, which is a lot more difficult, tedious and time consuming.



True, but as I was saying, it's easier to list off the commands someone needs to run one by one than it is to subjectively describe a user interface that in all odds won't be the same from another user's prospective. Meanwhile you could even just copy and paste a terminal session to give someone a step-by-step rundown including sample output.

I realize it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, but fear of the command line is something pretty much anybody using Linux or MacOS is going to have to overcome if only because it's easier to put write a list of commands for a CLI when you have no gaurantee how the end user has their GUI configured.

Except that OS X on the Mac has a very fixed way of configuring the GUI. It doesn't use an implementation of X11 as standard, Instead using Quartz with it's own X11 implementation that is used *as needed*.

Command line is something most OS X users need never even think about.

I personally use terminal, because I like playing with the back end tho

Sure there is: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx-amdcccle

For the record, just because we use Linux doesn't mean we automatically prefer using a CLI over a GUI. If I did, I would never have installed Gnome.

I don't disagree, I use Gnome day to day myself. But even within that, there's a good chance that my Gnome doesn't match your Gnome, unless by some stupid luck we both have identicial configuration. Which is why command line descriptions like the one you gave are much, much more concise and straightforward.

Besides, GUIs are GUIs. Once you learn one, you can find your way through the rest of 'em without too much trouble, assuming you're not from the past...

well with respects to ubuntu, its pretty standardized, you install ubuntu you get its default stuff, and no matter where you place the menus or whatnot its in the same place

vs gnome on ubuntu vs gnome on fedora vs gnome on blah blah blah

as for bad ATI support in Ubuntu, its just Ubuntu 8.10

on my ATI card i was pulling 50 FPS on SL in Ubuntu 8.04 .... go to 8.10 and barely can get 20 to 25... back to 8.04 and runs great again...

I have been having problems as well since I changed my graphics card a couple months ago.

I now have a ATI Radeon HD3870 card, version 8.573.0.0 from the 13th of Jan 09, however whenever I try to run SL I get the message that the drivers might be old or hardware unsupported (this happens before I even get to the character log-in screen).

I have tried downloading a new SL client, but still no luck.

Anyone that could give me a tip on how to fix this, or do I have to just wait and see until someday this card might work with SL ?

Thanks in advance.

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I have been using my current ATI HD 2600 video card for over a year. When I first installed it I kept getting the error that it wasn't compatible. Of course SL was of no help at all and said it wasn't a compatible card which of course it is. I did get t to work evenyually. Problem is... I need to re-install it and have been getting the same error...I just forget what I had to do last time to get it to work. I've installed and re-installed every driver possible to no avail. HELP!!!!!!

might have better luck not necroposting in a dead thread

Well, Osgeld, maybe people wouldn't keep re-opening these old threads if LL would get off their butts and fix their software, but they refuse to, instead bringing us new flash-stuffed, lag-filled web pages (to go with the lag-filled servers).

I really think the current management is trying to crash the company to claim the tax write-off. They're certainly incapable of hiring staff who can FIX anything.

/if I didn't have so damned much invested here I wouldn't stick around.

You're ranting at the wrong people about driver support to run SL. For some reason ATI has decided to throw all their efforts in the direction of DirectX and all but ignore OpenGL. OpenGL is about the only rendering engine that is cross platform and LL has chosen it over DirectX..........in order to allow more people to use SL. It's the OpenGL part of ATI's drivers that are lacking. You should direct your anger toward them.......not Linden Lab.

If nVidia can do it, I'm sure ATI can too...........if they were pressured to do so by the people who purchase their cards. Email them your frustrations.........maybe if enough would do that then ATI would work as well with OpenGL programs as nVidia does.

Oh jeeze.

ATI cards have been CRAP in SL since 2003 and any search of the forums reveals nothing but non-stop problems as well as reasons from very intelligent technically minded SLers as to WHY ATI cards are crap in SL.

So please don't rant against SL/LL like they did you an injustice.

Heck even in 2004 when i upgraded my machine i knew better than to buy a video card without checking the forums which returned results that all screamed DON'T BUY ATI.