"FORCED OWNERSHIP" Feature in Emerald Viewer

I have encountered an instance where one of my residents had their land stolen (and I don't use that word lightly) from them when another resident used a "FORCED OWNERSHIP" feature of the Emerald Viewer to claim the land for themselves. The new "owner" then banned the legal/original owner from the land creating a myriad of issues to resolve.

While the thief has been banned from all of my sims, has anyone else heard of this "feature"? I'm at my RL job and am not able to verify the "feature", but how is it possible this could ever be considered for a public viewer?

Anyone out there have any knowledge of this???

/me finds this very difficult to believe.

Even the LL viewer has god mode options but access to every one of them is handled by the sim. There's no magical Emerald option that allows users to just do whatever they want.

Was this mainland or a private island? It sounds like a private island where an estate manager reclaimed the land and gave it to somebody else. (edit: or it's a sim bug and has nothing to do with Emerald)


You don't have the whole story yet. It's just not possible to do what you're reporting.

It was indeed a private island. There's only one other land manager besides myself, and she's been my trusted friend and former partner. She handled it, banned the offending individuals, and informed me of it. I've not had a chance to get home and plow through Emerald's alleged feature (first I've heard of it as well), but it sure sounds disturbing.

I hope you are right that it is not possible, and so, maybe we were fed a load of crap by the one who somehow got title to the land, but I am sure it was not through any actions of my assistant. It made hours of work for her.

I just got a notice from LL as I had posted it as an issue to them. They have recommended I contact Support to go through the Transaction History of the individuals involved to see how/when it had changed hands. That sounds like an excellent idea to me.

They also said the original purchaser may have bought it for the group (despite them saying they don't know how to do that...doesn't mean they didn't, of course) and then someone in the group nabbed it. Makes sense.

PHEW! What a relief if that's the case!

maybe the sim crashed.
sometimes they do a rollback then....to the moment from before you did the reclaim of the land ?



I had it also with a new sim a few weeks ago.
Did terraforming, made land parcels, set them all for sale, ....

When i returned to the sim a day later the sim was back as how it was when i got it.
Terraforming gone, no parcels for sale, no sales signs, ...

That does indeed make sense.

I guess the only point to my post above was that I sorta objected to this being blamed on the Emerald viewer. The Emerald devs work for free and try to make SL better. They deserve crap when they screw up - not when it's something unrelated to thier stuff.

Forced ownership for land and objects is a feature in the regular SL viewer, not really an "Emerald thing". It needs server side cooperation to work, namely you need to be a Linden and have the right account flags.

I wasn't "blaming" the Emerald viewer (which I like very much!), but stating that it was told to us that it was done through the Emerald viewer. I've never seen the option in the LL viewer, so it sounds like a feature exclusive to Emerald. Not blaming, just reporting.

Furthermore, my assistant logged in through Emerald using an un-related av, went to one of our resident-owned land, and was given the option to SELL this other person's land. Its not land she owns. Its not land she has any right to. But she is being given the option to sell it.

So what's going on here?

I am sorry to disagree, but see my post above. My friend is definitely not a Linden or a special user of any kind. The av she was using is not (nor has it ever been) a Land Manager for that or any of my other sims.

I had another friend attempt the same thing with an av who is not even a member of the residents group (the one above I believe is) and she is able to force a sale even tho' the land is deeded to a different group. A group she is not nor has she ever been a member.

Maybe I need to understand something about deeded land that's just never come up for me before (hard to believe since I've been in SL over 3 years...but hey, who among us knows it all, right?). So, a question...If land is deeded to a group, and you are in that group, but you aren't the original purchaser of the land, can you force it to be sold?

If you are in a role that has the right to sell group-owned land, yes.

I've been fortunate enough to have LL help me out by doing a rollback a couple of times, but they've been VERY cautious about doing it and made it very clear it is not something they do easily. I was very grateful for the two times they consented to help me and do that for me.

However, I've had this land for over six months and have never had an issue with it, its former owner, or any reason to contact LL about the land since it was purchased and handed over to me from its previous owner.

That being said, I don't believe it was rolled back. I know its a big effort for LL to do so so they wouldn't do it just randomly and in 13 sims I've owned for close to three years now, I've never had any of them rolled back on error.

What if she is not in that group, is not a land manager, and has never been on that land before? That's what we're seeing.

Does she have Advanced->View Admin Options set? If so, she'll see all the god-mode goodies but none will actually work. Try creating a little 16m2 parcel and seeing if she can actually do anything to it.



Well..



Maybe I misunderstood but it sounded like you were pretty unhappy about Emerald and weren't at all shy about pointing fingers.

Excellent recommendation, Meade. I wish I was where I could test this myself. You can be sure I will check it out first hand as soon as I can.

Nah, I am not Emerald-bashing. I like Emerald. In fact, when I'm on the LL viewer I miss the Emerald features. My apologies if my relating the events sounded like bashing. Again, just reporting what I've been told as we try to piece it together.

I think that if she tries to actually sell it, she will get an error. Similar to the "Take" option on the pie menu, which sometimes shows up on someone else's object that does not have trans permissions. You get the "Take" choice, then you get an error when you do it.

Yeah, but you can get your land back with the GET MY STUFF BACK or the GIMME ALL THEIR STUFF features