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Zuleika Dubrovna
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11-11-2008 11:21
Allright, so, I am running the following:

AMD Phenom Quad Core 4.0ghz
ATi Radeon XK4000 1gb
6gb System Memory
1tb Solid State Drive HDD
16mb UL/DL Net connection

So, if Second Life forces the client machine to render and handle all graphics within. Then, with my system, what is the freaking problem?

My net is faster than most, I have 100% bandwidth usage. Graphics capacity that would make a high schooler cry and enough processing speed to outrun the flash...

What I'd like to know, is when is Linden going to buff up their servers and upgrade their equipment.

Blizzard entertainment houses 7.1 million players on 20+ server for World of Warcraft alone, And my gameplay there is remarkable.

Why is it, that with the machine I have, I cannot run SL like a dream? My inventory loads slowly than it takes me to eat an entire pizza. Texture and content rezzing is almost painfully slow. And the lag factor is rediculous.

I have no memory leaks, all of my machines and systems are in perfect condition.

Lets step it up a notch here guys. You dont tell your clients that they need to buy better equipment, because honestly, what I have is pretty good. You meet the demands of the player base.

I will post my rants about the open sims in the correct, wel, closts forum. Thank you for your time.
Briana Dawson
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11-11-2008 17:11
From: Zuleika Dubrovna


So, if Second Life forces the client machine to render and handle all graphics within. Then, with my system, what is the freaking problem?

- Drivers
- Software conflicts you would never consider
- SL Bugs

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Also, comparing SL to those persistent content games like WoW and expecting the same type of performance is a fallacy.

Let them take WoW, remove all the content, then give all those cartoon characters content creation tools to remake the world and add content at will - then you will have decent comparison and 7.1 million users pissed off about bandwidth, data stream, lag, texture load times, prim density, object-occlusion induced crashes, and what not.

Hey, if they did that i could ALMOST play WoW...and then i would look at the screen and laugh at the toonishness of my avatar, fondly remember being shackled via Restrained Life and come running back to SL.
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Zuleika Dubrovna
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11-19-2008 11:30
Pardon, my machine is up to date and configured to run at optimum capacity. THere will be no need of reconfiguring nor driver updating. Also, there are people in my area, friends, who are having like problems, and they are using Alienware Machines and Falcon Northwest Fragboxes, as well as a couple using extreme graphics production machines...

Do not talk to me about hardware nor system settings please.

Also with a game as content intent on the client, people with older less equipped machines may have problems, I understand this. But having the systems we do, we shouldn't have a problem. I build computers and host sites for a living with more flash content and interactive content than anyone would probably care to think about. I have never seen a program eat as much resource as this.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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11-19-2008 11:40
Dynamic Content. (^_^)

Really, SL is just about the only 3D virtual environment that has it. Games are just that, Games. Everything was pre-rendered, optimized, and cleanly packaged by someone who was considering the lowest common denominator. You're not downloading that mountainside, hut, beast, sword, tree... It's already on your system. (^_^)

BUT!!! In SL... I made the cookie jar and textured the grounds around it. Other builders made the castle and probably used 5 too many alpha textures in order to save on prims. And, the mountainside with all those trees... I hope you get where I'm going... (^_^)

All this content is stuff that's never been in your computer before. It's being streamed, live, off the internet, from a server cluster that also has to host another 50-or-so thousand clients. So, while games really only have to stream motion and position, SL has to stream the entire world, PLUS motion and position. It's what makes this dynamic world what it is. It's never really been done this way before, and the hardware doesn't really exist to make it fly like games do now. (^_^)

So, yes, you can be proud of your uber-box as an excellent gaming machine. But, keep in mind you're not playing a simple game here. With the requirements that SL runs on, your uber-box has met it's match. (^_^)y
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Zuleika Dubrovna
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11-19-2008 11:48
My uberbox has met slow servers. I have a wonderous connection speed.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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11-19-2008 11:51
I repeat...

From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Dynamic Content. (^_^)...
If you re-read with THAT in mind... There's a chance you may understand. (^_^)y
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Zuleika Dubrovna
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11-19-2008 11:53
Correct, so, the issue has absolutely nothing to do with my machine. In which case, the answer is. Linden needs to upgrade.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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11-19-2008 11:57
I repeat...
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
...So, while games really only have to stream motion and position, SL has to stream the entire world, PLUS motion and position. It's what makes this dynamic world what it is. It's never really been done this way before, and the hardware doesn't really exist to make it fly like games do now. (^_^)...
... is it starting to sink in? (^_^)y
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Zuleika Dubrovna
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11-19-2008 12:00
Yes, so what you are getting at, is, my machine is fine, however, Linden has created something that does not have the hardware to back it up. So upgrading is not an option.
Imnotgoing Sideways
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11-19-2008 12:12
Bingo!!! \(^_^)/
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Briana Dawson
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11-19-2008 12:12
From: Zuleika Dubrovna
Pardon, my machine is up to date and configured to run at optimum capacity. THere will be no need of reconfiguring nor driver updating. Also, there are people in my area, friends, who are having like problems, and they are using Alienware Machines and Falcon Northwest Fragboxes, as well as a couple using extreme graphics production machines...


o.O, lolwut?

no one is slighting your machine. Some ATI driver versions (if you use that) run different on SL therefore having the most recent is not an automatic fix all, it could be the problem.

The best equipment does not automatically equate to the best experience or compatibility.

Have fun.
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Reinheart Magic
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11-19-2008 12:17
From: Briana Dawson
o.O, lolwut?

The best equipment does not automatically equate to the best experience or compatibility.

In that case, what is the best equipment for the best experience on SL?
Briana Dawson
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11-19-2008 12:26
From: Reinheart Magic
From: Briana Dawson
o.O, lolwut?

The best equipment does not automatically equate to the best experience or compatibility.

In that case, what is the best equipment for the best experience on SL?



You know, it really depends on the machine. So many post with different experiences and often similar equipment, but the same or different issues.

I also said "SL Bugs".

What Imnotgoing said, stands.

Unlike other games, you cannot buy the absolute best equipment and try SL and be guaranteed an awesome experience like you could if it were a flight simulator or some FPS game. But i think more people with awesome equipment have a good experience than not.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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11-19-2008 12:27
From: Reinheart Magic
From: Briana Dawson
o.O, lolwut?

The best equipment does not automatically equate to the best experience or compatibility.

In that case, what is the best equipment for the best experience on SL?
I've had good luck with my system, but, plan on updating my video once shadow rendering comes up. (^_^)

Dual AMD FX74
8GB RAM (XP only sees 2.5GB)
NVidia 8600 GT SLI Pair
XP Pro SP3

I'm using the Boy Lane Cool Viewer 1.21 with graphics on Ulta, Impostors off, AF, 4xAA, and RenderTreeLOD set to 8. (^_^)

No lag on me. (^_^)y
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Osprey Therian
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11-19-2008 12:31
---> http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/10/28/ongoing-updates-from-the-grid-from-fj-linden/

"We’ve finalized a design and chosen facility and equipment partners to build and deploy a private fiber optic ring to interconnect our datacenters."
Reinheart Magic
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11-19-2008 12:38
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
I've had good luck with my system, but, plan on updating my video once shadow rendering comes up. (^_^)

Dual AMD FX74
8GB RAM (XP only sees 2.5GB)
NVidia 8600 GT SLI Pair
XP Pro SP3

I'm using the Boy Lane Cool Viewer 1.21 with graphics on Ulta, Impostors off, AF, 4xAA, and RenderTreeLOD set to 8. (^_^)

No lag on me. (^_^)y


lol...im confused so i'll just keep reading about upgrades on the web coz im needing a new computer anyways
Zii Minotaur
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11-20-2008 04:36
It's impossible to run SL perfectly without any hitch in framerate. I figure it's either the dynamic content and people abusing it (too many prims, textures way too big for their purpose, etc), or poor engine optimisation. Or both.

Gotta wonder how anybody managed to get more than 1 FPS when this game launched. xD
Atom Burma
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11-20-2008 05:45
Why does WOW run better than SL? Was that the question... because SL is all content created by it's residents. And not everyone understands how to format textures and media for streaming sizes, it is just that simple.