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Aaron Levy

Medicated Lately?

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,147

09-09-2004 16:17

What the hell did they change in 1.5.3!?!?!?!? Why the hell won't they answer emails from their PAYING CUSTOMERS??!!!

I'm so pissed off right now.

I uninstalled and reinstalled and now SL won't even get past the initial "detecting hardware" popup.

NOT HAVING FUN, LINDENS!!!

NOT HAVING FUN!!!

Daemioth Sklar

Lifetime Member

Join date: 30 Jul 2003

Posts: 944

09-09-2004 16:40

Aaron--I'm only responding because I've seen a lot of these posts from you lately... I haven't been having these kind of problems you've been suggesting, and I don't think too too many others have, either.

I think you should send your bug reports and sit on your problem or contact the Lindens via phone to figure out why your system isn't responding well with the new versions. I don't, however, think a lot of people are dealing with lots of problems like these right now.

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Aaron Levy

Medicated Lately?

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,147

09-09-2004 16:55

My SL experience was virtually bug-free, even when a lot of people were having a lot of bugs, up until 1.5.3.

I am getting a new video card on Saturday or Sunday -- $299 nVidia will bring me up to date!! -- and I am just hoping and praying that it does the trick.

Andrew Linden

Linden staff

Join date: 18 Nov 2002

Posts: 692

09-09-2004 18:08

Aaron, yes our crash report stats say you have a Radeon 8500 and you're crashing deep in the ATI drivers. We expect a new nVidia card will solve your problem.

Aaron Levy

Medicated Lately?

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,147

09-09-2004 19:40

That's what I suspected, though I didn't crash anywhere NEAR as much prior to 1.5.3.

Thanks for looking into it though, I'm glad to see someone's helping us people who feel helpless.

billy Madison

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Join date: 6 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,175

09-09-2004 19:42

haha, aaron never has anything positive to say =(

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Aaron Levy

Medicated Lately?

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,147

09-09-2004 19:47

I'm positive I'm glad I'm getting a new 256MB nVidia card!!

Moleculor Satyr

Fireflies!

Join date: 5 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,650

09-10-2004 00:23

From: someone

Originally posted by Andrew Linden
Aaron, yes our crash report stats say you have a Radeon 8500 and you're crashing deep in the ATI drivers. We expect a new nVidia card will solve your problem.

*snerk*

I think I'm saving a link to this post.

That said, LL is getting around to answering their emails. I got three answers to ancient bugs today.

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Karma Satyr

Little Tea Pot

Join date: 8 Jan 2004

Posts: 88

09-10-2004 01:38

From: someone

Originally posted by Andrew Linden
Aaron, yes our crash report stats say you have a Radeon 8500 and you're crashing deep in the ATI drivers. We expect a new nVidia card will solve your problem.

That is so wrong!
You guys getting you fingers out of you ass and spending some decent time fixing the ATI issues will fix it my friend!

That comment makes me feel ill.

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Aaron Levy

Medicated Lately?

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

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09-10-2004 01:48

Second life is the most ATI-unfriendly game in existence. Search the forums. I think they are getting regular payments from nVidia or something.

Karma Satyr

Little Tea Pot

Join date: 8 Jan 2004

Posts: 88

09-10-2004 04:31

I know thus my gripe.

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Grim Lupis

Dark Wolf

Join date: 11 Jul 2003

Posts: 762

09-10-2004 06:31

Could you two explain to us exactly why it's LL's fault that ATI drivers/cards don't actually fully support the open standards they claim to support?

Or why it's LL's fault that the ATI driver is crashing?

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Moleculor Satyr

Fireflies!

Join date: 5 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,650

09-10-2004 07:05

It's because there's a secret plot to insert anti-ATI code into LL's project, dontchaknow. Because even when ATI cards didn't work for me for half a dozen other games, it's all LL's fault.

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Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

09-10-2004 07:56

Ati is widely regarded as having crappy drivers. Actually, if you ignore the fanboys who constantly cite a plethora of dubious benchmarks, Ati is widely regarded as a crappy brand, period.

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Karma Satyr

Little Tea Pot

Join date: 8 Jan 2004

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09-10-2004 08:01

From: someone

Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann
Ati is widely regarded as having crappy drivers. Actually, if you ignore the fanboys who constantly cite a plethora of dubious benchmarks, Ati is widely regarded as a crappy brand, period.

Personally you sound like a nvidia fanboy. But i won;t quote benchmarks ar you, i just say i updated my ati drivers and woo frame rates back to normal and texture corruption stopped.

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Moleculor Satyr

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09-10-2004 08:16

From: someone

Originally posted by Karma Satyr
Personally you sound like a nvidia fanboy. But i won;t quote benchmarks ar you, i just say i updated my ati drivers and woo frame rates back to normal and texture corruption stopped.

Which just goes to show that ATI has been at fault all this time, at least as far as the problems you were seeing.

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Andrew Linden

Linden staff

Join date: 18 Nov 2002

Posts: 692

09-10-2004 09:06

From: someone

That is so wrong!

The fact of the matter is that ATI drivers have been buggier, and are still buggier, than nVidia's. That said, their drivers are better now than they have ever been (especially for 9200 and better, rumor has it they are reducing their bug fixing efforts for lesser hardware). ATI also makes very fast hardware.

Benchmarks can be misleading. Both nVidia and ATI have been known to tune their drivers and take shortcuts to get artificially high benchmarks for the most popular games of the day. Both companies release enough of a variety of hardware that their performance ranges are practically identical. Our statistics indicate that *for Second Life* the latest ATI cards do in fact have better average FPS than the latest nVidia cards.

Second Life has exposed some subtle bugs in ATI drivers because our graphics engine stresses some aspects of the OpenGL standard differently than most other graphics engines. Our texture handling is one example that stands out (most games are tuned to load the level textures and hold them until the next level -- we need to be able to load all new textures (and possibly unload others) when the avatar in front of you starts to modify their appearance).

ATI cards are great! We will continue to struggle to support them. In the meantime, if you are looking to buy a new video card and love stability buy nVidia.

Tito Gomez

Mi Vida Loca

Join date: 1 Aug 2004

Posts: 921

09-10-2004 09:09

ATI Radeon 9800 XT here. No problems.

tito

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Karma Satyr

Little Tea Pot

Join date: 8 Jan 2004

Posts: 88

09-10-2004 13:25

Thanks for update Andrew. Your original post seemed a bit "we don't care"

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Aaron Levy Medicated Lately? Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,147	09-09-2004 16:17 What the hell did they change in 1.5.3!?!?!?!? Why the hell won't they answer emails from their PAYING CUSTOMERS??!!! I'm so pissed off right now. I uninstalled and reinstalled and now SL won't even get past the initial "detecting hardware" popup. NOT HAVING FUN, LINDENS!!! NOT HAVING FUN!!!
Daemioth Sklar Lifetime Member Join date: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 944	09-09-2004 16:40 Aaron--I'm only responding because I've seen a lot of these posts from you lately... I haven't been having these kind of problems you've been suggesting, and I don't think too too many others have, either. I think you should send your bug reports and sit on your problem or contact the Lindens via phone to figure out why your system isn't responding well with the new versions. I don't, however, think a lot of people are dealing with lots of problems like these right now. _____________________
Aaron Levy Medicated Lately? Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,147	09-09-2004 16:55 My SL experience was virtually bug-free, even when a lot of people were having a lot of bugs, up until 1.5.3. I am getting a new video card on Saturday or Sunday -- $299 nVidia will bring me up to date!! -- and I am just hoping and praying that it does the trick.
Andrew Linden Linden staff Join date: 18 Nov 2002 Posts: 692	09-09-2004 18:08 Aaron, yes our crash report stats say you have a Radeon 8500 and you're crashing deep in the ATI drivers. We expect a new nVidia card will solve your problem.
Aaron Levy Medicated Lately? Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,147	09-09-2004 19:40 That's what I suspected, though I didn't crash anywhere NEAR as much prior to 1.5.3. Thanks for looking into it though, I'm glad to see someone's helping us people who feel helpless.
billy Madison www.SLAuctions.com Join date: 6 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,175	09-09-2004 19:42 haha, aaron never has anything positive to say =( _____________________ Prestige Fine men and womens clothing and jewelry, on SLExchange
Aaron Levy Medicated Lately? Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,147	09-09-2004 19:47 I'm positive I'm glad I'm getting a new 256MB nVidia card!!
Moleculor Satyr Fireflies! Join date: 5 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,650	09-10-2004 00:23 From: someone Originally posted by Andrew Linden Aaron, yes our crash report stats say you have a Radeon 8500 and you're crashing deep in the ATI drivers. We expect a new nVidia card will solve your problem. snerk I think I'm saving a link to this post. That said, LL is getting around to answering their emails. I got three answers to ancient bugs today. _____________________ </sarcasm>
Karma Satyr Little Tea Pot Join date: 8 Jan 2004 Posts: 88	09-10-2004 01:38 From: someone Originally posted by Andrew Linden Aaron, yes our crash report stats say you have a Radeon 8500 and you're crashing deep in the ATI drivers. We expect a new nVidia card will solve your problem. That is so wrong! You guys getting you fingers out of you ass and spending some decent time fixing the ATI issues will fix it my friend! That comment makes me feel ill. _____________________ Short and Stout! Actually i'm more like a coffee plunger.
Aaron Levy Medicated Lately? Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,147	09-10-2004 01:48 Second life is the most ATI-unfriendly game in existence. Search the forums. I think they are getting regular payments from nVidia or something.
Karma Satyr Little Tea Pot Join date: 8 Jan 2004 Posts: 88	09-10-2004 04:31 I know thus my gripe. _____________________ Short and Stout! Actually i'm more like a coffee plunger.
Grim Lupis Dark Wolf Join date: 11 Jul 2003 Posts: 762	09-10-2004 06:31 Could you two explain to us exactly why it's LL's fault that ATI drivers/cards don't actually fully support the open standards they claim to support? Or why it's LL's fault that the ATI driver is crashing? _____________________ Grim "God only made a few perfect heads, the rest of them he put hair on." -- Unknown
Moleculor Satyr Fireflies! Join date: 5 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,650	09-10-2004 07:05 It's because there's a secret plot to insert anti-ATI code into LL's project, dontchaknow. Because even when ATI cards didn't work for me for half a dozen other games, it's all LL's fault. _____________________ </sarcasm>
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	09-10-2004 07:56 Ati is widely regarded as having crappy drivers. Actually, if you ignore the fanboys who constantly cite a plethora of dubious benchmarks, Ati is widely regarded as a crappy brand, period. _____________________ Help us document Second Life history at http://slhistory.org!
Karma Satyr Little Tea Pot Join date: 8 Jan 2004 Posts: 88	09-10-2004 08:01 From: someone Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann Ati is widely regarded as having crappy drivers. Actually, if you ignore the fanboys who constantly cite a plethora of dubious benchmarks, Ati is widely regarded as a crappy brand, period. Personally you sound like a nvidia fanboy. But i won;t quote benchmarks ar you, i just say i updated my ati drivers and woo frame rates back to normal and texture corruption stopped. _____________________ Short and Stout! Actually i'm more like a coffee plunger.
Moleculor Satyr Fireflies! Join date: 5 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,650	09-10-2004 08:16 From: someone Originally posted by Karma Satyr Personally you sound like a nvidia fanboy. But i won;t quote benchmarks ar you, i just say i updated my ati drivers and woo frame rates back to normal and texture corruption stopped. Which just goes to show that ATI has been at fault all this time, at least as far as the problems you were seeing. _____________________ </sarcasm>
Andrew Linden Linden staff Join date: 18 Nov 2002 Posts: 692	09-10-2004 09:06 From: someone That is so wrong! The fact of the matter is that ATI drivers have been buggier, and are still buggier, than nVidia's. That said, their drivers are better now than they have ever been (especially for 9200 and better, rumor has it they are reducing their bug fixing efforts for lesser hardware). ATI also makes very fast hardware. Benchmarks can be misleading. Both nVidia and ATI have been known to tune their drivers and take shortcuts to get artificially high benchmarks for the most popular games of the day. Both companies release enough of a variety of hardware that their performance ranges are practically identical. Our statistics indicate that for Second Life the latest ATI cards do in fact have better average FPS than the latest nVidia cards. Second Life has exposed some subtle bugs in ATI drivers because our graphics engine stresses some aspects of the OpenGL standard differently than most other graphics engines. Our texture handling is one example that stands out (most games are tuned to load the level textures and hold them until the next level -- we need to be able to load all new textures (and possibly unload others) when the avatar in front of you starts to modify their appearance). ATI cards are great! We will continue to struggle to support them. In the meantime, if you are looking to buy a new video card and love stability buy nVidia.
Tito Gomez Mi Vida Loca Join date: 1 Aug 2004 Posts: 921	09-10-2004 09:09 ATI Radeon 9800 XT here. No problems. tito _____________________
Karma Satyr Little Tea Pot Join date: 8 Jan 2004 Posts: 88	09-10-2004 13:25 Thanks for update Andrew. Your original post seemed a bit "we don't care" _____________________ Short and Stout! Actually i'm more like a coffee plunger.