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Yevad Doobie

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Join date: 5 Jun 2008

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08-31-2008 11:49

When are LL going to be honest with the lag meter?

I am running far higher than the minimum requirements on this comp, yet regularly at weekends the lag meter blames ALL of my lag on either my comp or my connection....last time it blamed it on my connection I did a test and found mine to be over 1000kbs. Why don't thay just be honest and tell us they can't cope with the demand?

The lag meter is complete BS...during the week, sometimes I have no lag at all, yet I haven't removed anything from the internals of my computer, or purchased lower bandwidth for SLs peak times. Nothing changes at my end yet the service is very erratic.

It's all crap...and totaly dishonest.

SL = System Lies?

or maybe... Selfish Leeches

Imnotgoing Sideways

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08-31-2008 12:18

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Peggy Paperdoll

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08-31-2008 12:52

When you tested your connection speed, did you test directly to LL's servers? If you did, now did you know the servers were in San Francisco or Dallas? When you tested your speed are you sure the test server was a busy as LL's servers? Did your routing take a direct route to the test server? Does your routing to LL's server take the shortest route?

I bet you can't answer one of those questions with certainty. All that speed test tells you is your speed in kbps to a specific server from your specific location......it tells you nothing about any other speed to any other server.

The lag meter is probably not accurately telling you where the problem lies. All it can tell you is that the source is/is not with LL's servers. It cannot tell you where the problem is originating........it's not pinging your computer. You can try a trace route or ping and get a better idea of what is causing your problem. But, you will have to interpet the information yourself.

I don't think Linden Lab expected the Lag Meter to be accurate for any specific computer.....only to show that the problem is with LL or elsewhere. But the "elsewhere" is unknown.

Milla Janick

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Join date: 2 Jan 2008

Posts: 3,075

08-31-2008 15:29

It seems reasonably accurate to me, although I usually look at the statistics bar instead.

How is the lag meter correlating with what the statistics bar is telling you?

Peggy Paperdoll

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08-31-2008 15:57

The lag meter takes it's information from the same source as the statistic bar. They will be approximately the same.

Distilled1 Rush

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Join date: 29 Jul 2006

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08-31-2008 16:56

well I like the stats bar... the lag meter will give me "posibly images DLing when I am set to 64k and looking at a wall LOL

yet running a speed test isn't telling you what traffic is going to LL servers.

the lag meter is just a idea what it may be for those less tech inclined.
and if it is the server or maybe you.

I know its not me when it says images DLing... because everything has rendered. more than likely its that I have stuff set to high for my GPX card, and I do, but I can deal with a 12.5-20 FPS and WOW compared to 2FPS on the ol' lap top thing WOOO!

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Anthony Hocken

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08-31-2008 17:19

The last time I experienced noticable lag it was because of packet loss due to a temporary ISP issue. That's the first thing I'd check. Anything approaching 10% packet loss and it'll have noticable effects. Not sure if that's the case with you, unless your local ISP routers are being overworked on the weekends for some reason. You should find that info in the Help/About dialog in SL, or by running your own ping test to the SL region you're in. For example use the ping command with -n 100 parameter and you shouldn't be losing any of those 100 packets. If you are then rerun the ping test with your own router to see if it's a local problem.

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Lag meter lies...
Yevad Doobie Registered User Join date: 5 Jun 2008 Posts: 121	08-31-2008 11:49 When are LL going to be honest with the lag meter? I am running far higher than the minimum requirements on this comp, yet regularly at weekends the lag meter blames ALL of my lag on either my comp or my connection....last time it blamed it on my connection I did a test and found mine to be over 1000kbs. Why don't thay just be honest and tell us they can't cope with the demand? The lag meter is complete BS...during the week, sometimes I have no lag at all, yet I haven't removed anything from the internals of my computer, or purchased lower bandwidth for SLs peak times. Nothing changes at my end yet the service is very erratic. It's all crap...and totaly dishonest. SL = System Lies? or maybe... Selfish Leeches
Imnotgoing Sideways Can't outlaw cute! =^-^= Join date: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 4,694	08-31-2008 12:18 What's yer's and yer friend's ARC? =^-^= _____________________ Somewhere in this world; there is someone having some good clean fun doing the one thing you hate the most. (^_^)y http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ferguson/54/237/94
Peggy Paperdoll A Brat Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 4,383	08-31-2008 12:52 When you tested your connection speed, did you test directly to LL's servers? If you did, now did you know the servers were in San Francisco or Dallas? When you tested your speed are you sure the test server was a busy as LL's servers? Did your routing take a direct route to the test server? Does your routing to LL's server take the shortest route? I bet you can't answer one of those questions with certainty. All that speed test tells you is your speed in kbps to a specific server from your specific location......it tells you nothing about any other speed to any other server. The lag meter is probably not accurately telling you where the problem lies. All it can tell you is that the source is/is not with LL's servers. It cannot tell you where the problem is originating........it's not pinging your computer. You can try a trace route or ping and get a better idea of what is causing your problem. But, you will have to interpet the information yourself. I don't think Linden Lab expected the Lag Meter to be accurate for any specific computer.....only to show that the problem is with LL or elsewhere. But the "elsewhere" is unknown.
Milla Janick Empress Of The Universe Join date: 2 Jan 2008 Posts: 3,075	08-31-2008 15:29 It seems reasonably accurate to me, although I usually look at the statistics bar instead. How is the lag meter correlating with what the statistics bar is telling you?
Peggy Paperdoll A Brat Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 4,383	08-31-2008 15:57 The lag meter takes it's information from the same source as the statistic bar. They will be approximately the same.
Distilled1 Rush written in the Pixles Join date: 29 Jul 2006 Posts: 504	08-31-2008 16:56 well I like the stats bar... the lag meter will give me "posibly images DLing when I am set to 64k and looking at a wall LOL yet running a speed test isn't telling you what traffic is going to LL servers. the lag meter is just a idea what it may be for those less tech inclined. and if it is the server or maybe you. I know its not me when it says images DLing... because everything has rendered. more than likely its that I have stuff set to high for my GPX card, and I do, but I can deal with a 12.5-20 FPS and WOW compared to 2FPS on the ol' lap top thing WOOO! _____________________ Dell XPS-700 (this is a fantastic case!) XP media Intel Core2Duo 2.38ghz Nvida 9800GTX+ 512mg 4 G RAM Dell XPS 1530 Red Core 2 duo VISTA and I like it! Nvidia 8600m 512 6 G RAM Compaq amd 3200 XP home POS! Nvidia FX 5200 2 G RAMM White Box XP pro P 4 Nvidia Shared 128k some odd old PCI card 1 G RAM *(STILL RUNS THE 1.21 CLIENT AND LATEST RC! )
Anthony Hocken Registered User Join date: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 121	08-31-2008 17:19 The last time I experienced noticable lag it was because of packet loss due to a temporary ISP issue. That's the first thing I'd check. Anything approaching 10% packet loss and it'll have noticable effects. Not sure if that's the case with you, unless your local ISP routers are being overworked on the weekends for some reason. You should find that info in the Help/About dialog in SL, or by running your own ping test to the SL region you're in. For example use the ping command with -n 100 parameter and you shouldn't be losing any of those 100 packets. If you are then rerun the ping test with your own router to see if it's a local problem. _____________________

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