Half my house and a selelltion of furniture gone!
|
Helen Dayton
Registered User
Join date: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 93
|
09-19-2004 08:37
I logged on this morning to find half of my custom-built house completely gone! As if that wasn't enough, furniture from both halves of the house had also gone, including an $L800 animated bed! Plus all my scripted doors. The people who built the house have been gone from SL for some time now, so I can't get them back to fix it. I have filed a couple of bug reports online, but I have no idea what I will do if I can't get my property back. I am not happy. I come to Second Life to escape RL worries, not to have them here too 
_____________________
Helen Dayton 
|
Korg Stygian
Curmudgeon Extraordinaire
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,105
|
09-19-2004 10:52
That really sucks.
I would contact a Linden and request that my char be rolled back... perhaps they can reset just your plot...
Good luck.
|
Bobby Dayton
Test Pilot for Airfix
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 206
|
09-20-2004 02:30
I am affected by the incedent Helen describes as well. The house she is referring to is in Amida where we have grouped up a fair bit of land for a resort we are building. The symptoms were the sim became very sluggish with great difficulty in moving. Lag seemed tremendous. There was very few people in the sim at the time also. In desparation we TP'd out to another sim to complete something. Very shortly afterwards I tried to TP back but was left nearby as the sim had crashed. It seemed to come up again quite fast butu on arrival, as Helen says, half her house was missing. Plus numerous bits of furnitue etc. Apart from that our club we are building had lots of items missing along with various items along the resort. These items, some irreplacable, have cost us a great deal of time, money and effort. Although we filed a report as soon as possible we are worried that with the long period over the weekend that backups may not be available now. We are all gutted at the loss and no one feels like continuing until we know what happened and why.
I know LL has a lot on it's plate at the moment. But I do hope they see this and take a look before it's too late to do anything.
|
Selador Cellardoor
Registered User
Join date: 16 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,082
|
09-20-2004 02:48
Helen,
Very sorry to hear about your problems. Try to contact the Lindens as soon as possible, because you might well have a good case for a roll-back. I certainly think you have, anyway.
|
Selador Cellardoor
Registered User
Join date: 16 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,082
|
09-20-2004 02:50
PS: If the worst comes to the worst, try contacting the people who sold you the furniture; most people are very understanding when it comes to this sort of thing, and would happily replace what you lost.
|
Helen Dayton
Registered User
Join date: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 93
|
09-20-2004 04:22
Thanks for the replies. If it is possible to be rolled back to where my house and furniture were in place that would be great. I also have an interest in the resort Bobby mentioned and (what's left of) my house is on the group land. I have also been very involved in the creation of the resort and was shocked to see how much is missing from that. So much hard work, time and money wasted!  If a rollback of some sort is possible, I sincerely hope the Lindens will give it some priority and try to restore my house and the resort.
_____________________
Helen Dayton 
|
Maxx Monde
Registered User
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,848
|
09-20-2004 05:02
Its possible that what the sim was experiencing leading up to the crash may have caused reversion. I've seen this on some of my builds pre/post v1.5, but mostly smaller things due to massive packetloss, which is all I noticed being out of sorts when I was working at the time.
We know sim rollbacks are possible technically, just not what is required for this to be a solution, is it dependent on the size of the build, number of users affected, etc...
Sorry to hear of your loss.
|
Bobby Dayton
Test Pilot for Airfix
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 206
|
09-20-2004 05:16
I did notice that most items that have disappeard are the more recent additions. With the exception of half of Helens house. But she accidentally deleted herself a short while ago and restored it from the deleted folder. The trouble is that much has gone that we dont know till we miss it. A bit like when your house has been burgled. It's often weeks after you notice something missing that was not obvious at the time. A neighbour claims some of his builds has vanished as well in the crash. Thank's for the suggestions about contacting people who supplied furniture etc. Trouble is that it was such a wide collection that we cannot remeber where it all was bought. And we can't look it up in properties as it ain't there anymore 
|
Helen Dayton
Registered User
Join date: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 93
|
09-20-2004 09:50
Although the half of my house that disappeared is the half I recently restored after accidentally deleting, and therefore could be seen as a 'recent addition', there were various items of furniture which have been in place for a few months and not been moved in any way at all during that time.
I can try contacting the maker of the bed, but I think it may be a discontinued model.....
_____________________
Helen Dayton 
|
Jesse Murdock
Moves You
Join date: 23 Jun 2004
Posts: 149
|
Not the only sim this happened to.
09-20-2004 11:13
I have an apartment at Kiha Luxury Apatments 1 in Kiha, and the same thing seems to have happened there. The incident, as far as I can figure, involved almost every single scripted item on the very large parcel. They just disappeared. From furniture to doors and chairs, anim balls, to fire and other particles. If you had it linked to an object, that object disappeared. I know that some of the residents did get a few items back, I personally lost about ten thousand L dollars worth of Reverie, Sensual , and Strokerz items... and not one item has returned to my inventory. The owner of the parcel reimbursed me, but i did not want her to, she reimbursed all the residents, when she herself lost, I figure, at least L$100000 in scripted objects, and has to now fix all the missing architecture. All the residents filed bug reports, and every land owner who was active in the sim was messaged and agreed to a rollback. The Lindens said that ALL of the landowners had to agree though, and unfortunatley, there are some that haven't logged in since July. So even though they would therefore not be affected by a rollback, it never happened. I truly hope that the Lindens reimburse the owner of the apartments, she should not have to pay for a bug or a malicious script or hack. This sounds similar to what happened to you, I am no scripting guru, but I know that the permissions should not allow this to happen, and if it was a malicious attack, could mean the end of the SL economy as we know it. I mean are you willing to pay thousands of dollars for the most valuable objects in the game only to have them disappear? The Lindens could only tell us that they would "investigate". Well I don't know what that means, probably that they don't have a clue, and are just as worried about the possibilities as I am. Maybe we should all be crossing our fingers here, I mean a bug's a bug, but if it's a hack, the security of Second Life permissions couild be compromised.
_____________________
The writing's on the wall...
|
Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
|
09-20-2004 11:39
100k for scripted furniture? What on earth could be worth that much money?
|
Jesse Murdock
Moves You
Join date: 23 Jun 2004
Posts: 149
|
09-20-2004 11:45
anim balls, there was a TON of animated furniture and anim balls in the mansion, pool area, and the dungeon (which contained TONS of stuff, it is the largest dungeon in SL I am pretty sure. She literally had the most numerous fine retail items I have ever seen in SL.
_____________________
The writing's on the wall...
|
Moleculor Satyr
Fireflies!
Join date: 5 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,650
|
09-20-2004 23:32
From: someone Originally posted by Helen Dayton If a rollback of some sort is possible, I sincerely hope the Lindens will give it some priority and try to restore my house and the resort. If it's been this long since the incident, and support hasn't responded to your email by now with a yes/no, I can almost guarantee the answer will be no, because in order to roll back a plot, they have to do the entire sim, and that affects more than just you.
_____________________
</sarcasm>
|
Helen Dayton
Registered User
Join date: 19 Mar 2004
Posts: 93
|
09-21-2004 00:47
Actually, we have been in touch with LL by phone and they have already agreed to a roll-back as long as it is agreeable to the others in the sim. Last night we checked around and got approval from everyone we spoke to, so hopefully this will go ahead very soon.
Actually Bobby has just corrected me as it was him who managed to contact LL by phone last night. Apparently they were looking into it with the hope of favourable results. There was no mention of a rollback, but I am hoping it is a possibility.
_____________________
Helen Dayton 
|
Bobby Dayton
Test Pilot for Airfix
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 206
|
09-21-2004 02:03
My fault Helen. In my over enthusiastic optomism I probably gave the wrong impression. It's just nice to know we might be getting somewhere.
|
Jesse Murdock
Moves You
Join date: 23 Jun 2004
Posts: 149
|
Justice Triumphs
09-21-2004 02:55
I logged in to be greeted by notecards from the Kiha management announcing the Linden's intentions to rollback the sim sometime this AM. Still no word on what their investigation turned up, if anything, but at least they are not going to allow whatever the cause to bring unfair hardship on any innocents involved. I hope and pray that this decision is not just restricted to Kiha, and that all who had stuff "disappear" for no reason will benefit from a rollback. --- I would still like to know if anyone out there knows if it is possible that some evil genius could have Davinci'd a way to beat the permission securities, or if it is just another bug. I definitely hope for the latter, as terrible as that is, it is not near as awful as the possibilities involved when one ponders the former. All my positive energy to you and the others affected in your sim, I hope you get your rollback.
_____________________
The writing's on the wall...
|
Maxx Monde
Registered User
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 1,848
|
09-21-2004 04:37
From: someone Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann 100k for scripted furniture? What on earth could be worth that much money? Eggy, you saying that scripted objects should be worth *less*? (heheh.) Hey, if you want to undercut, awesome  Just never saw anyone argue against the value of good programming before. Also, the perceived value is in the eye of the buyer, no? Glad they got the sim rollback, all I can say is *precedent*. Woo!
|
Jesse Murdock
Moves You
Join date: 23 Jun 2004
Posts: 149
|
investigative results
09-21-2004 17:22
One last note, I found out that the disappearance of the items was due to mistake one of the Lindens made, pushed the wrong button or something apparently. So, I am relieved that the permissions appear to be intact and secure... Long Live Second Life!
_____________________
The writing's on the wall...
|
Bobby Dayton
Test Pilot for Airfix
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 206
|
09-21-2004 17:35
Thats good. I hope we are as fortunate. We talked to Dan Linden tonight who was very helpful and understanding. He is investigating.
|