The joke is on me

I feel like such an idiot for updating SL to the latest version, I figured alright there's a better version out so maybe I'll get better SL performance with it. I updated, logged in to the game and everything looked fine, I went to make a prim sculpty, and surprise the client crashes. Every time I go to make a sculpty now, or edit one I've already made, client crash. Good job lindens keep up the good work.

Wow, I downgraded and am now being told the new version is REQUIRED, this is awesome. the old version was more stable but this piece of crap is required, meanwhile linux users are using whatever version they like and are not required to update.

About 2 hours ago I created and modified a sculptie and did not crash.........I'm using the most recent update. Downloaded it earlier today.

What version did you downgrade to?

I'm pretty sure Linux and Mac users are required to update to at least 1.20.17 of the LL viewer, too.

Have you tried another viewer?
http://nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com/2008/10/updates-with-security-fix.html

system specs?

crappy celeron + intel video + some cheesey hp bull sucking down your memory to 256mb usable on vista ?

L if i know

sl dont work !! doesnt provide much to go on, and im the dude thats using a "meh" 2005 machine running it at 21fps constant

I don't think we will get any system specs or much information at all to help anyone here give any useful hints or tips to remedy the OP's problem. I've found most threads like this are just people expecting some sympathy because they cannot do something they used to be able to do.........."it's Linden Lab's fault". Sure LL screws up with viewer updates. However, when that happens it becomes very obvious very quickly because many people experience the exact (or nearly exact) same problem at the same time. Obviously client crashing with scultpie creation/editing is not something a lot of people are experiencing. But, instead of offering information on the computer having the issue, they either remain silent or continue to rant about how bad LL is........it helps not one bit.

My ability to continue to play SL is sort of important to me. I've had problems in the past with client crashes after an update. When that happens I check the forums to see if anyone else is having the problems, and if it's a bug there is little you can do but find a workaround and report it via the JIRA). I read some of the answers to see if anything will help. I know from experience (and reading the forums) that drivers (mostly video) are the root of most problems. I also know enough about software to know that client updates include new features......features that almost always require more from your computer and/or it's hardware. After enough updates the client gets ahead of your system and it's components........it's time to look at the system (not complain about the client). This last client update did cause a few crashes for me. It turned out that my 6 month old driver for my video card finally got out dated.........I updated my video card and all was fixed.

Why people refuse to even consider that it's their computer at the bottom of the problems is beyond me. It's always LL's fault. And then they get mad when they cannot do what they want in the game. If you want the problem fixed, do something to fix it. If what you do does not fix it, then ask for help.........but give something about your system and what you've done so far so help can be had.

Damn, I didn't mean to go off on this tangent.......it is just a pet peeve of mine. Sorry, for the mini rant. Maybe, just maybe, the OP will come back with something to help us help him.

Sure here are my system specs.

Memory: 4 Gigs memory, ddr2
Processor: Intel Core 2 6600
Video Card: Radeon X1950 512MB
OS: Windows XP 64bit

I don't mind the updates not being stable, but forcing people to update to something that is UNSTABLE to me is stupid.

I've had problems in the past like it crashing when I go to preview a texture on upload, lately since I've started playing SL again i've had no problems until this latest update. The funny thing is, it's always joe avatar who never has any problems with their client, but the experienced builder like me is the one who gets the shaft. I know the lindens don't care, like I said the joke is on me. Sure I could check the forums to troubleshoot each individual problem, but the bottom line is they're messing with things that don't need to be fixed. Meanwhile there have been bugs that people have been complaining about for years that they don't address. I'm not saying I know what's best for SL. I know when it all comes down to it money is the only thing on their mind. But if you're creating a problem that someone hasn't had with in a previous version, Don't force people to upgrade to an unstable version.

Are you sure you are really being forced to upgrade? What version did you try to run when you got that message?

The latest update to SL was optional. I installed it, and didn't like it, and reinstalled the previous version. No problem with a forced update.

What version video driver are you using? It might need to be updated, or (probably more likely) it might be that an older driver would work.

Your system, on the surface, should run the current client just fine. Same processor as mine. Different video card and you are 64 bit to my 32 bit...........oh and you have one more gig of ram too.

If the present client was, in fact, as unstable as you say then there certainly would be a hell of a rash of people not being able to log on. But that is just not the case. It's something in your system setup. You need to work at finding it........LL is not the problem.

And I'm not your "joe avatar" (as if "joe avatar" is a bad thing). I build and create content just like you. I also experience problems occassionally with "forced" updates (even unforced)......but, instead of whinning in the forums, I fix my problems.

Look at your computer and it's setup, hardware, and software for your solution.......that's where the problem lays.

I tried running 1.20. something and it said I had to update when I tried to log in, pretty sure it was the build before this one.

A couple people I know in the game have been having problems, and that's saying a lot considering I don't talk to a lot of people in the game. To say that the devs aren't to blame simply isn't true. Other than having a computer capable of running SL there isn't a whole lot else that I should be required to do to run it. Sure run drivers that SL can execute commands with, I can think of plenty of applications/games I could run that are more intensive and do not crash. Crysis 60 FPS? No problem;, SL create sculpt prim, big problems.

The OP's problem is with creating sculpties, not with loggin in.

You always ask for system specs, but as far as I can tell you never do anything with them. What system specs would someone post that'd make you suggest, "that system will crash with SL?" With what system spec is it acceptable that the client would crash while creating sculpties? Unless you are going to reproduce the problem and debug the software for him, it's unlikely anything he'll post in answer to your question will be helpful.

"It works for me, so it must be your computer" is no more helpful than insulting LL. He's posted specs for a more-than-adequate system and your response is still, "it must be your computer." How is that helpful?

Try downloading 1.20.17 from here:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Old_versions#1.20.17

Nickolus, you can probably run an old version by changing the "channel" on the command line. The channel parameter is near the end of the table here...

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Client_parameters

Be aware that older versions have a security problem that prompted LL to make the viewer update mandatory.

If you have a consistent problem with a particular feature, like creating sculpties, check the jira to see if it's a known issue, and if it isn't file a new report. Be sure to fully describe your hardware and software environment, as unlike Peggy, LL can use this info to try to reproduce your problem.

Edit: You shouldn't need to change the channel to run the 1.20 viewer Milla linked.

Another edit: You've tried clearing your cache, right?

Alright thanks I downgraded to the last stable version and it's all good now, Also, I was noticing crashes on other events, such as attempting to view someones profile, or getting a landmark.

End rant

Just be clear. I had (and never had) the intention of reproducing the OP's problem to debug it. That is LL's job. That is why the JIRA was set up.......so people can report suspected bugs and let LL look into it. This forum is not an official technical support portal.

I come to this forum to read what people are experiencing with their computers and SL. I learn much more than I can ever give as far as solutions to problems many encounter with SL........and I've "fixed" my problems from reading what others have done. When there is a bug in the client it is very evident, very quickly. I don't believe there is a bug with creating or editing sculpties in this latest client. I know a lot of people who are having no problems (people who create sculpties) and no one (except the OP) who is. But, if it is a bug then it needs to be reported..........and I bet the OP did not do that. He "fixed" it by sidestepping the issue.

My problem with threads like this is simple. Someone comes storming in with all types of problems and carries on about how shitty LL is....how stupid they are for releasing such garbage. They never tell anyone anything about their system........all we get is "my computer is top notch and it could not be the problem" (paraphrased). They they ask for help. Had the OP stated his problem, included some system specs, what he had done so far to try to remedy his problem, and left out the crap about Linden Lab he would have gotten a lot better response from me.......or at least some sympathy if I was clueless on some offer of help.

You want help then give something to work with. We are not LL techs. We do not get paid or any brownie points for attempting to help. And (at least for myself) have found that almost every problem posted in this forum winds up being on the computer end.......not on LL's end.

Leave me out of your scouldings.

Thank you.

heh aye, like hinted at earlier, we had a HUGE rash of people flying off just to find out they were running some old celron with intel video that didnt meet the minimum requirements

MOST of the time when someone goes into a thread like the op did, this is the situation, and its helpful to atleast know what were dealing with ... i wouldnt do much good for me to ASS-U-ME and send the op to nvidia's website for a driver download, nor recomending a patch for via based amd machines when they might be running a S3 chipset with a intel cpu

or a fairly recent thread where i was pestering peggy with my alt, swearing up and down it was a good computer, just to state that it was my junker in the next room, with a 866mhz cpu, < 512mb of ram (barley) and a pci radeion 9550! mainly as a ploy to LL to revise their stupidly low system requirements

SL dont work, wont get you help

but go ahead with your thoughts people, after about the 8th "sl dont work LL is retarded" thread you wasted 2 days on JUST to find out they have some crap that really should have not even ran SL at all, THEN the phrase "system specs?" will have a macro on your keyboard just like us