some 1 is using a 'repeater' to stop our events

we bought a large piece of land nr a TH and spent hours & money making it right.
We purchased BLOOD 21 a new game with the leats amount of lag u can imagine compared to slingo etc.

We make no money from this game its all donations and wanted to offer some more choices for events.

Our 1st event and a neighbour complained saying the game was shouting.

My main store is next to a place that holds slingo events and I too get the green text when events r run, its part of SL and cant be helped and no major deal.

Its my partner kipper Zapata thats running & hosting the events and this is his very 1st contribution to SL and its events. hes a fantastic patient man who simply wouldnt argue with anyone.

I arrived to see the land today and he was going on about ' I cant find the repeater'
I didnt know what he meant and assumed it was linked to the game.

But I noticed lots of green text and amongst the normal game commands was in CAPS the words
'DO NOT PLAY BLOOD21 IT SPAMS THE WHOLE SIM'

It repeats several times and every time he tried to do anything with the game.

Im so angry and hurt that any-one could be so vandictive and evil! Kipper isnt one to argue and hes just given up to it but im mad as Hell

he says hes been onto Live Help and cant find an answer to this problem neighbour or this 'repeater' device being used.

So simply wants to forget it and sell the land!

The sad thing is the events we wanted to hold each evening would bring traffic to the many stores in the immediate area!??

Its not a residential area i think its called Warmouth,

What can be done if anything?

I am the owner of the land but kipper is the owner of the game

Can I complain about the neighbour?

How can we stop him using this repeater device to spam OUR events?

its our land its NOT creating lag ( not that thats the issue apparently hes just maoning about the game shouting'

All the game says is

Game starting 1 , 2 ,3 go no in between round texts...nothing else is said til the game ends when it announces who the winner is

I am really upset as this our very 1st try at running events and putting something back into SL in the way of entertainment.

Its a new game and a good one.

Does he have the right to do this?
Are we being unreasonable?

I assumed our land was ours to do as we wished so long as it fitted in with the PG area and SL TOS>

I could understand if we had lots of scripts & animated textures lagging up the sim but we have nothing!

Please..anyone can help me? as kipper is too down hearted now to even try and fight back but Im not i thik its wrong...VERY wrong.

please help?

MANY THANKS

Your neighbor must not know that he can mute the shout from the game, type CTRL-H to bring up your history window, then click on the drop down menu and choose the object's name and click mute! He will never hear another peep from it.

Well if the repeater is on your land, say an invisiprim or something... then yes you have a right to complain and if you can find it I believe can report it as some sort of griefing. I'm not sure if that could happen if you have your land setup properly though. If it's on his land then i guess it's the equivalent of him being able to hear your game on his land, although this is purely vindictive so you may still have a semblence of a case against him.

That's all I can really say about the matter. LL will have the final say if you can get them to come check it out...

Well, #1 I live within earshot of your game and i'm not fond of it either.

#2 Kipper mentioned this earlier and I tracked it down for you (All you needed to do is fly around with a prim named "Blood21" and the thing lets you home right on), it was an invisiprim in the sim next to yours. The script was copy/mod and had a kill command to trigger llDie, it's gone now.

Fix the game so I don't regret helping you out over this.

EDIT: "its part of SL and cant be helped and no major deal" That's BS by the way, it just means the game is made poorly.

Holly Bitterness

Some one needs a hug!!!!!!

Thank you ( i think?) for your erm 'kindness?' and help.


As hes only had ONE event for 1 hour and he hasnt bothered running them since because of the repeater thing its hardly been a major pain in the rear for you or anyone.

I assume your the neighbour that complained? cuz we sure aint had any-one else complaining

*apart from who ever left the scripted vendinctive invisable prim thing*


We had the lindens come look for it and they couldnt find it either so te remark about
'all you had to do' kinda smacked of you being patronizing

Only a person who KNOWS about these devices would know how to find them and delete them.

And YES I did contact the creator last night to ask if the distance of the shouting can be reduced but the games been out what? 2 weeks???? 3 people have got in including us,

but thank you anyway we do appreciate your help and will look into reducing the 'shouting'

we dont want to piss ppl off just want to meet people & have fun

Definately, Lilly - shout spam can turn you into a disliked neighbor, no matter how good your intentions. Just because others are doing it in your sim too - doesn't make it right. Especially if someone just has their home there - it can make for a very unpleasant living situation if they're not part of your game.

Shout carries for a 100m radius around your parcel, and Say carries for only 20m. I have a 40m x 90m plot myself - so I completely understand how Say can be insufficient.

To be respectful of you neighbors, while still being able to communicate across your parcel, I'd suggest making a repeater of your own, that only repeats the chat from your Blood 21 game within the boundaries of your parcel.

To do this, configure your Blood 21 game to only use Say. If it's not already setup to do this, contact the creator, and ask them to adjust it for you. Most should know better, and at the very least have a configuration option for this.

Then, create some 'repeater' scripts that carry the chat from the Blood 21 game across your parcel. If you space these repeaters 40m apart, you can get pretty decent coverage - without disrupting your neighbors. If you're unsure how, find a friend that's good with scripting to help your with this - it shouldn't be very complicated.

As far as the person spamming you back - you can file an abuse report on the script owner for harassment. However, since you may be inadvertantly taking part in some of the spam yourself - you may not get a lot of sympathy from the Linden investigating the abuse report.

If you take some extra effort in trying to be a good neighbor, it'll be good for your buisness - not to mention the extra karma points

Now you see 'thats' a constructive post and I agree with all you said.

We simply didnt realise running a game would/could cause so much problems unless it was a residential area but we're learning.

No events will be run until we have got to the bottom of this situation and I have contacted the creator of the game again via a notecard taking control of this situation and I want to know how to reduce this games 'shout' text to the parameters of our land.

It has no purpose to reach other people anyway... I never 'did' see it as a way to attact people but maybe I am naive about what 'spam' is percieved as.

I learn from the 'spam' repeater thing that people think the shout from the game is somehow a kinda way of saying to ppl NOT at the event ' hey come here and play our game!!!' ( yes? )

I honestly didnt see it that way...just part & parcel of the game & the way it ran but then maye the games creators have their own agenda..lord knows lol

I really am thankful for the help & advise here thats why I posted, having only ever attended these games and never even hosted for other game owners I guess we divedin a deep end and are learning to swim.

anyway many thanks for your polite & constructive post & advise.

I'll sort it all out before we run another event.

All Hail The Mighty Mute Button

No, I think there's a good analogy to RL:
Listening to the radio in your house on normal volume
vs.
Listening to 5000 Watts of music in your house, which gets heard from miles.

Yes, I think if you get the shout thing fixed, it will work fine.

"Thank you ( i think?) for your erm 'kindness?' and help."

I just did what was morally right, not what I really "felt" like doing if that means anything.

As for why a Linden couldn't find the thing I don't know. I suppose I was just feeling cranky last night. Kipper was there while I tracked it down, took me about 15 minutes.

And yes, I was the neighbor that complained, that's true. The invisiprim was next door to you in Redear under a building, down towards that forest area.

BTW, if Blood21 is modable or you can get the code i'll be happy to help you keep it from shouting it's info.

i rarely say anythign on these forums, but just a question in general, i run 1 event and get complaints and hopefully soon this will be sorted,,, but i ask myself.. does this other person who WAS vindictive get away with greifing? well wether or not im breakign soem, TOS ill post this scirpters name to allow u all to be weary and aware of him..

stormfire leandros .. oh a complaint has been officially sent. i hope thsi matter is closed now once the shout is sorted out.

Kipper Zapata.

Considering that so many people do not realize they can mute game spam I think game developers who must use shout for advertisement purposes should add Echo's instructions at the end of the game spam.

Game starting 1 , 2 ,3 go no in between round texts...To stop text spam: CTRL-H to bring up your history window, then click on the drop down menu and choose the object's name and click mute!

Something like that anyway. At least it gives people an option they might not be aware of.

Using llsay and adding repeaters will win more friends though.

I know when my friend runs Blood 21 or another friend runs a game on her land, they use shout because say simply wont reach all the players. I never knew about using the repeator etc and am forwarding this link to them. Its great to know.

We dont want to bug neighbors or try to bring them to play by yelling lol. I can't speak for every person who runs games or every creator, but i know this creator and I assure you he is not interested in spamming. If you have ever tried to host an event to a large crowd you would know say just doesn't cut it.

At any rate, this was an interesting post - i learned stuff that I will pass along.

We have contacted the creator and seems they feel the game is made within the usual boundries & guidelines of other games such as Tringo & Slingo but even less game text is used as there is no between rounds texts like ' updating scorebard'

Its starts with 1 2 3 GO...then its quiet for 40 rounds then there's a 'congarts *avies name* wins *pot amount* with a score of *amount*

Thats it

The games script isnt modifiable and they feel its not their business to get involved with disputes with neighbours over game related text/shout as these games are run all over SL and I assume without too much bother.

We are the 1st buyer of this game to have this neighbour problem.

So...I know a couple of scripters but I will ask here...

I will gladly pay for advise & help to create a 3rd party device that can some how stop the games text reaching further than required.

We have paid good money for the land and increased my teir fees accordingly purely to run this game, not to mention the 15K for the game and all the objects we bought to go on and with the land and event.

We are all set to go...but cant for fear of upsetting this one person ( who apparently can mute the text anyway )

I am kinda stuck here now

Any suggestions?

Thanks

I think UR going above and beyond the call of duty here. Attempting to write a script that will somehow 'appease' UR neighbor is great. HOWEVER, U may have many neighbors during UR time in SL and U will die trying to make them all happy. I mean seriously if I didn't want to hear a game shout it's commands I'd 'mute' it, simple. There are so many smart, fun and creative folks here in SL....tis why I love it. But as in RL there are also whiny, petulant self absorbed individuals who can't see beyond their nose. Try UR best.....but don't bust UR ass and DON'T allow UR game to be shut down before U even get it going.

Impossible to keep the board from shouting if the script is not modifiable.

If the scripter did not provide a means for toggling between shouting and saying, he should at least provide you with a version of the script where the llShout() calls are changed to llSay().

I would just AR your neighbor's griefing device and call a liason to the scene if it happens again. However, if you're seeking a more amicable means of resolving the situation and the game's scripter continues to refuse to help you, you might consider holding your events at least 100m above ground level so your neighbor's parcel is out of shout range.

Ask the game script creator to change the llShout from channel 0 to some random high numbered channel. Then all you need is a simple script that listens to that channel and repeats what it hears via llSay on channel 0. You can drop it in "speaker" prims wherever you want them.

you know.....call me selfish, but we HAD our events and soo many ppl saying " wow i LOVE this game!" means so much more to me than ONE winger,

I tried...I really did and the creator HAS responded and is looking into it ( dunno what hes doing but I imagine hes aware its in his own interest to do this )


And in the mean-time we run our 1-2 huor events a day and as we're in the UK time zone hopefully the one neighbour that is pissed won't be even aware of it ( its a shop he owns btw not a home...no homes in this area all stores)

MANY thanks for all your replies!!!!


Love ya !