Filling up sims

I've noticed the rapidly growing population of SL not only on the website counter (which everyone knows is very much inflated by alts) but in my day to day activities in SL. Although I'm sure the problem I'm about to complain about has been around for a long time.

I host a fighting tournament once every week. It generally runs about an hour and a half. I have been doing this for about 2 months now. For a good while it would draw 15-20 people. But for the last 3 weeks, it has had about 5 people. Many more IMed us, wanting to get in, but couldn't get into the sim because it was full.

5 people? Where were the other 35, you ask? Well, about 5 were just residents of the sim, scattered around, and 30 were at a sex club in the sim... a sex club which has been getting very popular of late.

Three weeks ago, when it first started becoming a real problem, I thought "Grr... annoying... but oh well, I'll just have to reschedule my event so it doesn't conflict with the club's event, no big deal."

Then I learned the name of the club, and took a look at the events board to see when their events were. I was dismayed to find that their events were 24/7! They ALWAYS had an event posted, essentially every hour of the day. I thought... well, perhaps its more popular some times than others... I'll ask the club owner when the least popular (yet reasonable) time was. He said it was always really crowded. Always. So... my next solution was to hint, ever so indirectly, that maybe he should take a break for 2 hours out of the whole week, so we could use the sim a little. He didn't get the hint.

So, I changed the time of the next week's event by two hours, hoping that maybe the club would be less crowded then. No such luck. (this is on a Monday, I might add)

Very much distressed (as it was ruining yet another of my tournaments... many people couldn't get in, and others were leaving because their friends couldn't get in... and let's not even talk about the lag...), I asked the club owner very specifically to designate an hour or two next week when he wouldn't have his perpetual event. He refused. I explained to him that the number of avs at his place vs the number at mine was in no way congruent with the percentage of the sim he owned vs. how much the owner of the land I host on owned, even just then during the event (let alone 6 days out of 7, when there is no event at my place). But he could not grasp how that was in any way unfair, and furthermore, complained that he had 13 people wanting to get into the sim for his event who couldn't because the sim was full.

And so, my question is this: what should I do? This doesn't sound like the sort of dispute the the Linden's will step in for. But the presence and popularity of this club makes my benefactor's land practically useless... and he owns a sizable portion of the sim. I'm curious as to what happens when it goes a step further... when the club attracts 40 people and not even my benefactor can get into his own land sometimes.

Is this really one of those situations where the only solution is to move?

I think so, yes. It is most likely to be the fastest solution at least.

Pity the club owner was unwilling to give it a rest for a little while so that you could have the slot but, really, if you had the popular event would you want to do that? Once you get people to come it is easier to get them to stay than to get them to come again.

In any case, the curse of allowing teleporting; at any moment something large like that could decide to setup shop right next to you without any problems drawing people in.

you could sell the land and look for a place that will host your event for share of profits - these normally tend to be whole sim owners and will normally schedual events around your event - anouther popular fighting event has been doing this for some time at north paris - which once had the sim heaving at 76 peeps! (and the lag still wasnt to detrimental - i could still walk around and the fighters still could fight - even in a lumberjack style event)

this - of course - is all down to finding someone who will be willing to give up 2hours of their island a week to gain more peeps onland - as you would be host and still owner of the IP you could get a good deal

This is not the "curse of allowing teleporting".

You certainly can't expect a successful club to kick people out so that you can have a few hours time for your endeavour. Moving is the way to go here. It happens. It's unfortunate that you fell victim to a mega-sexxors club, but that is the way it goes. I don't really mean to sound unsympathetic, but if it had been an art museum that had 24 hour traffic, would you have made the same post?

Event hosts need to band together and buy as much land as possible in the same sim. That way you can work with similar event hosts to create a situation where staggering times would be acceptable. Other than that, you will really need to look into moving.

another way to do but i think it is highly unrecommended, is to lag the hell out of the sim til the club owner decide to leave

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah... as for finding another venue... to tell the truth, the post wasn't really for my sake, it was for the landowner's sake. I mean, the sim hadn't always been that crowded, and he built a really nice arena there and dedicated a good portion of land to hosting fighting tournaments (which are ultimitaly in this case non-profit events, since he puts in at least 1000L of his own into the starter pot each time). So I was really more trying to explore the ethics of the issue, and solutions for him rather than for me.

Indeed, unless he moves (which he probably won't... he's had the land for a good while now and is somewhat attached), I will find another landowner to host for... actually, several have already offered. I just think it's sad that he can't do something on his land, for which he paid just as much as many other landholders, and pays exactly the same amount every month in tier, that he theoretically should be able to do.

Sounds a bit like passive-aggressive griefing to me.

If this is club I am thinking of this club is thowing out tons of cash, have you spoken to them? I mean if your running a club like that it would be considerate to move to a private sim. They are packed every night! Its lag is so bad I dont even like to go there any more, which is sad they have great events. Could you please name the club, cause if he really said FU, then I can not support them at all anymore.

So your saying if I buy 2048 sq meters and fill the sim 20 hours a day thats OK? I am betting that TOS covers this as its a abuse resources. If you need 43 person campacity, then buy a whole sim. If you can not afford it then to bad. Maybe linden labs needs to create a sim occupation metric and if your land is generating a consistant occupation exceeding % of land owned then it gets charged extra. Something like 95% billing methods for bandwitdh.

Just a thought, you could check the times he is holding his events and beat him to the punch. For instance, if his event is at 8 PM then make your event at 7:30 PM and get your people in first. Then it will be his patrons waiting to get into the sim instead of yours. Good Luck

Sure it is. If people had to hike across the entire map to get someplace they would tend to clump near what it is they were interested in. When buying land you could be somewhat more secure that the landscape was unlikely to completely change overnight.

I think part of the problem is that the events never end. One just blends into the next so people never leave. Or at least don't leave without quickly being replaced.

Exactly Prak. It's all the time. Actually, he does post his events on the hour, and I have a practice session usually starting half an hour before our event. But generally the sim is full by 15 minutes before the real event starts. And Pain, I didn't name any names because from what I've seen on the forums before, it looks like you can get banned from the forums for naming names.

And, the thought had not occured to me before someone mentioned it here, but the problem did indeed begin after pvp teleporting. Now... I personally like pvp on the whole, though the transition was admittedly a bit messy, but this thread isn't really about pvp either.

If the name starts with a D and ends s with 6 letters in between, then they changed owners right around that time. The old owner had just started the club and was not getting nearly the traffic of the current ones. Also was not pushing out near the prizes. Currenlty its not uncommon to see 3k cash prizes for contests. Lastly, the p2p should not have much effect as most people just request a tp to the club in the group chat.

Nope, not that club.

Bide your time, as soon as DI is gone, the traffic wont be such a prize to that owner, and the regular dwell he gets wont nearly pay for what he's putting out to get it, so i think your problem will resolve itself in a month or so...

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