Foundation for Rich Content meeting chat log from October 4th

Due to the no longer having Google groups as a resource to publish meeting logs as required, we are returning here to post it!

The FFRC meets on the first Saturday of each month at 1pm PDT at its offices in Sami. Over the years, the organization has changed to create larger grants less often and to meet once per month instead of once per week to assure sustainability of resources. The FFRC is open to the public and all are welcome to join it and play a vital role in the organization while encouraging the creation of rich experiential content in SL. Contact Persephone Phoenix for more information. All donations may be made to FFRCAccounting Control.

The next meeting is planned for December 6th: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sami/242/160/32

[13:00] Persephone Phoenix: this will be text
[13:00] Persephone Phoenix: so that it is easier to record for posterity.
[13:00] Persephone Phoenix: In fact it is now time to ask everyone to agree to be chatlogged for publication.
[13:00] Crystal Falcon: And faster, so we can all talk at once, LOL
[13:01] Persephone Phoenix: these are (yes. lol)
[13:01] Troy McLuhan: Aye to chatlog
[13:01] Crystal Falcon agrees to be chat logged
[13:01] Persephone Phoenix: these are saved for posterity or had been we need to talk about that too.
[13:01] Adric Zauber: yup
[13:01] Birdie Newcomb: OK
[13:01] Persephone Phoenix: ok
[13:01] Adric Zauber: first meeting, so I have no idea what I will say, but I'm down with become history
[13:01] Crystal Falcon: I just logged on, did you send a group IM for this too Perse?
[13:02] Crystal Falcon: Heehee Adric, we all started the same way!
[13:02] Persephone Phoenix: The agenda is simple. (Oh yes, I did Crystal but I should again.)
[13:02] Crystal Falcon can if you'd like to get started Perse?
[13:03] Crystal Falcon giggles nvm!
[13:03] Persephone Phoenix: hehe
[13:03] Persephone Phoenix: (drank coffee this morning)
[13:03] Crystal Falcon: LOL
[13:03] Crystal Falcon: Good, Ihave RL work to get to after this
[13:03] Crystal Falcon: We can go under an hour instead of over!
[13:04] Persephone Phoenix: ok so the agenda is super simple: 1) yay for us we did a great job in some ways last year. 2.) Do we go for another year? and 3) if so, in the same manner and with what people?
[13:04] Persephone Phoenix: I say we did a great job in some ways in that we raised a lot of funds and distributed a lot of funds to worthy projects.
[13:04] Crystal Falcon: Actually, wasn't last year one of our best ever?
[13:04] Crystal Falcon: Mmhmms
[13:04] Persephone Phoenix: Yeah
[13:04] Persephone Phoenix: it is true.
[13:04] Adric Zauber: how years have you been doing this?
[13:04] Crystal Falcon: We increased our grants even
[13:04] Troy McLuhan: Over 3 years
[13:05] Persephone Phoenix: but we still had challenges (yes we did! thanks in no small part to Ina Centaur)
[13:05] Adric Zauber: nice
[13:05] Persephone Phoenix: yes it's been awhile.
[13:05] Birdie Newcomb: where do the donations come from? Inworld?
[13:05] Persephone Phoenix: We've had the benefit of an excellent treasurer.
[13:05] Persephone Phoenix: Yes inworld fundraisers.
[13:05] Crystal Falcon: Mmhmms
[13:05] Birdie Newcomb: enefit events?
[13:05] Birdie Newcomb: benefit
[13:06] Persephone Phoenix: We are a bit low visibility (yes we did a major halloween party last year that raised tons of funds for the FFRC.
[13:06] Persephone Phoenix: it was also a date auction).
[13:06] Persephone Phoenix:
[13:06] FFRC Info owned by Persephone Phoenix gave you 'FFRC Info' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sami/242/163/31 ).
[13:06] Birdie Newcomb: like ten cents a dance?
[13:06] Birdie Newcomb: 8=)
[13:06] Persephone Phoenix: haha. one hour dates. auctionee could stipulate doing what. lol
[13:06] Persephone Phoenix: My date and I went shopping for garden furniture I believe.
[13:06] Birdie Newcomb: that coudl be interesting
[13:06] Persephone Phoenix: hehe
[13:07] Crystal Falcon:
[13:07] Crystal Falcon: For you or for your date's garden?
[13:07] Persephone Phoenix: I think The theme was to do an arts date
[13:07] Crystal Falcon:
[13:07] Persephone Phoenix: or a culture date
[13:07] Persephone Phoenix: or rich content date
[13:07] Persephone Phoenix: Troy didn't you show someone around the space flight museum?
[13:07] Troy McLuhan: Yeah
[13:07] Persephone Phoenix: Anyway it went well overall.
[13:08] Persephone Phoenix: the thing is it takes a lot of energy to fundraise
[13:08] Crystal Falcon: Mmhmms, fortunately there were more people involved for that
[13:08] Persephone Phoenix: and I am going to school full time, working full time, and actively involved (as we all are here) in making rich content in sl.
[13:08] Persephone Phoenix: which brings us to the next year I think.
[13:09] Persephone Phoenix: Any more comments on yay for us part of the meeting? lol
[13:09] Troy McLuhan:
[13:09] Birdie Newcomb: sounds like a done deal.
[13:09] Crystal Falcon: One question Perse, were there any "non-yay" things from last year?
[13:09] Persephone Phoenix: yes.
[13:09] Crystal Falcon: Such as?
[13:09] Persephone Phoenix: One was that we didn't follow through on the Metaverse thing over the summer.
[13:09] Persephone Phoenix: we were going to do that and possibly a build competition here
[13:10] Crystal Falcon is happy to remember the good but wants to know where we could improve too
[13:10] Persephone Phoenix: but I had no time to organize anything.
[13:10] Persephone Phoenix: In fact that is my great problem re: the coming year.
[13:10] Crystal Falcon: And there's always less interest in SL over the summer too
[13:10] Persephone Phoenix: It is a problem for everyone probably.
[13:10] Birdie Newcomb: build a time machine? duplicate oneself?
[13:10] Persephone Phoenix: haha
[13:10] Crystal Falcon: Mmhmms
[13:10] Troy McLuhan: SL is changing
[13:10] Crystal Falcon: LOL Birdie
[13:10] Crystal Falcon: Yes Troy, growing
[13:11] Persephone Phoenix: The thing I am wondering is
[13:11] Troy McLuhan: Also becoming more mainstream, meaining that mainstream funders are starting to pour grants in here
[13:11] Crystal Falcon: Almost three times the size of two years ago when I joined, and 100,000 inworld is probably soon
[13:11] Persephone Phoenix: yes.
[13:11] Persephone Phoenix: exactly Troy.
[13:11] Crystal Falcon: Mmhmms
[13:11] Persephone Phoenix: It seems that granters are prepared to offer support directly.
[13:11] Crystal Falcon: We saw that too with Orange Island last year
[13:11] Birdie Newcomb: do you work mainly in the educational sector, or all of SL?
[13:11] Troy McLuhan: Arts, science, education
[13:12] Persephone Phoenix nods
[13:12] Persephone Phoenix: I think that the need for grants as we were able to give
[13:13] Persephone Phoenix: might not be as valuable in some respects as the thing we are sitting on/in
[13:13] Persephone Phoenix: and I am wondering
[13:13] Persephone Phoenix: if we might not transform the FFRC's role into one of simple landgranting?
[13:13] Birdie Newcomb: that's a basic need for newbies
[13:14] Persephone Phoenix: Perhaps to simply offer this plot to some worthy concern every 6 months?
[13:14] Crystal Falcon: Hmms, didn't most of last year's applicants have land already? They needed money for things like staff, uploads, advertising, etc?
[13:14] Persephone Phoenix: yeah
[13:14] Adric Zauber: We should offer more classes for newbies
[13:14] Persephone Phoenix: that's true.
[13:14] Crystal Falcon: Well there are organizations doing that Adric
[13:14] Troy McLuhan: Well, we always said not to apply for land
[13:14] Persephone Phoenix: well NCI does that
[13:15] Adric Zauber: The #1 problem is people getting on here and not being ready for the size
[13:15] Persephone Phoenix nods
[13:15] Crystal Falcon: Except we did have the Orange Island plot Troy
[13:15] Crystal Falcon: But even then most distinguished money over land
[13:15] Persephone Phoenix nods again
[13:15] Persephone Phoenix: lol
[13:15] Troy McLuhan: Yeah the Orange parcel was a special case
[13:15] Persephone Phoenix: Yes. People wanted money for projects.
[13:15] Birdie Newcomb: money is more flexible
[13:15] Crystal Falcon: Mmhmms
[13:16] Crystal Falcon: Here's a question Perse, have you been receiving inquiries?
[13:16] Persephone Phoenix: The question is how to connect with those larger interests?
[13:16] Persephone Phoenix: Not many.
[13:16] Persephone Phoenix: ToryLynn had some questions
[13:16] Persephone Phoenix: last meeting
[13:16] Crystal Falcon: Compared to last summer?
[13:16] Persephone Phoenix: Hm. Last summer there were more applications.
[13:17] Persephone Phoenix: I've had a couple of people ask when the next cycle was and I said fall.
[13:17] Birdie Newcomb: that's now
[13:17] Troy McLuhan: We don't have any outstanding request for applications at the moment - and Google somehow lost our Google Group (!)
[13:17] Crystal Falcon blinks
[13:17] Crystal Falcon: Really?
[13:17] Birdie Newcomb: uh oh
[13:17] Persephone Phoenix: yes.
[13:17] Crystal Falcon: Oh no
[13:17] Crystal Falcon:
[13:18] Adric Zauber: do you guys do booths at various events such as the burning life and stuff?
[13:18] Troy McLuhan: We used to
[13:18] Persephone Phoenix: We have but we didn't do burning life.
[13:18] Crystal Falcon: Depends Adric
[13:18] Persephone Phoenix: we did the slcc booths
[13:18] Adric Zauber: that could help
[13:18] Persephone Phoenix: and the dreamweaver one
[13:18] Adric Zauber: and t -shirt
[13:18] Crystal Falcon: I wouldn't want to do Burning Life as that would kind of take away from content!
[13:18] Persephone Phoenix: or dreams festival that is
[13:18] Adric Zauber: s
[13:18] Persephone Phoenix: yeah
[13:19] Persephone Phoenix: So this is it in terms of assets: this plot
[13:19] Persephone Phoenix: the orange plot
[13:19] Persephone Phoenix: and $67,006.
[13:19] Crystal Falcon: Well
[13:19] Crystal Falcon: I remember last year at this time
[13:19] Persephone Phoenix smiles
[13:19] Adric Zauber: oh, here's an idea
[13:19] Crystal Falcon: We voted to do a round of granting
[13:19] Crystal Falcon: With what we had in funds
[13:20] Persephone Phoenix nods
[13:20] Adric Zauber: let's buy a blimp!
[13:20] Crystal Falcon: And possibly stopping
[13:20] Crystal Falcon: After that
[13:20] Persephone Phoenix: yes.
[13:20] Crystal Falcon: But, we got more donations and things
[13:20] Adric Zauber: And hover over other people's events
[13:20] Crystal Falcon: And grew
[13:20] Persephone Phoenix: that's what I am asking again
[13:20] Crystal Falcon: ANd had our best year ever
[13:20] Crystal Falcon:
[13:20] Crystal Falcon: But
[13:20] Persephone Phoenix:
[13:20] Birdie Newcomb: blimp, intersting idea
[13:20] Adric Zauber: It could scroll a message
[13:20] Crystal Falcon: I can certainly appreciate your time limits
[13:21] Crystal Falcon: And I feel the same
[13:21] Birdie Newcomb: speaking of time,
[13:21] Adric Zauber: and people could click on it to get a note card
[13:21] Crystal Falcon: Sadly I was unable to contribute to many of lst years endeavors
[13:21] Birdie Newcomb: gotta go.
[13:21] Birdie Newcomb: Bye all.
[13:21] Crystal Falcon: Due to conflicts
[13:21] Crystal Falcon: tc Birdie
[13:21] Persephone Phoenix: bye Birdie
[13:21] Persephone Phoenix: sorry about that
[13:21] Crystal Falcon: What do you feel Troy?
[13:22] meeting box owned by the group 'Foundation for Rich Content' gave you 'FFRC Financials 10.04.08' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sami/242/160/31 ).
[13:22] Troy McLuhan: I'm really not able to put any time into any new FFRC initiatives, nor do I feel the FFRC is as necessary as it once was
[13:23] Persephone Phoenix: It sounds like you and I are in the same place, Troy.
[13:23] Crystal Falcon: It does
[13:23] Persephone Phoenix: I am wondering if we might not do the final round of funding and that would include a permanent land grant of the FFRC plot?
[13:24] Adric Zauber: So, big blow out party to spend all the loot and call it quits?
[13:24] Persephone Phoenix: lol
[13:24] Crystal Falcon: I'm not sure I agree with the idea that the FFRC isn't as necessary
[13:24] Troy McLuhan: This plot doesn't really belong to the FFRC. It's being donated to the FFRC by various mainland landholders (maybe just one?)
[13:24] Crystal Falcon: Based upon all the interest and requests last year
[13:24] Persephone Phoenix: well the original outlay
[13:24] Persephone Phoenix: did belong to the ffrc.
[13:24] Persephone Phoenix: we bought the land
[13:25] Persephone Phoenix: from the cafe that used to be here
[13:25] Persephone Phoenix: at a very reasonable price at outset.
[13:25] Persephone Phoenix: the teir has been paid by various landholders.
[13:25] Adric Zauber: I have to boogie back to my booth. if you guys thingk of anything I can do, IM me. Still down with the blimp idea
[13:25] Persephone Phoenix: heh Ok Adric.
[13:25] Crystal Falcon: tc Adric
[13:26] Crystal Falcon giggles, well I guess that answers that too, if the people who showed an interest aren't...
[13:26] Crystal Falcon sighs
[13:26] Persephone Phoenix: we didn't have the google group to remind people
[13:26] Persephone Phoenix: unfortunately
[13:27] Persephone Phoenix: and I should have sent a reminder notice earlier than today probably.
[13:27] Troy McLuhan: On the group dialog window, Land and L$ tab, it says the Total Contribution is 3383 sq. m. and this parcel is 3376 sq. m.
[13:27] Persephone Phoenix nods
[13:27] Crystal Falcon: You sent a notice a week or two ago that it was pending
[13:27] Crystal Falcon: And actually, less notice gives a better indication of interest
[13:28] Persephone Phoenix nods
[13:28] Crystal Falcon: And the two who were here not staying seems to say more to me, as that generally hasn't happened before (unless our doom and gloom talk made them believe it wasn't worth it?)
[13:28] Persephone Phoenix: possibly
[13:29] Persephone Phoenix: maybe it was the meeting change.
[13:29] Persephone Phoenix: sorry about that, incidentally, but I had to do some pro-d for work.
[13:30] Crystal Falcon shrugs, that comes first
[13:30] Persephone Phoenix: so what do you think about the FFFRC doing the last round of 60,000
[13:30] Persephone Phoenix: or should we do a land auction first?
[13:30] Persephone Phoenix: to raise money for the ffrc and auction off this land?
[13:30] Persephone Phoenix: What do you think, Troy?
[13:31] Troy McLuhan: Right now the FFRC owns the land but the rent is paid by some donors, right?
[13:31] Persephone Phoenix: I think that Second Life has begun to make the transition to sponsorship for rich content
[13:31] Persephone Phoenix: essentially yes.
[13:31] Persephone Phoenix: so we'd turn over the land
[13:31] Persephone Phoenix: and someone new would pay the rent.
[13:31] Persephone Phoenix: It's mainland.
[13:31] Troy McLuhan: Right, just thinking it through
[13:32] Persephone Phoenix: it is an unfortunate time for the dollar or linden value of land though
[13:32] Crystal Falcon wonders if that sponsorship "fosters diversity and richness in content and events"
[13:32] Troy McLuhan: I don't think one auctions mainland, you just set it for sale at a particular price
[13:32] Persephone Phoenix: I'd rather give the land as it's own thing
[13:33] Troy McLuhan: If a group sells land, what happens to the money raised? Does it just go evenly to all group members?
[13:33] Crystal Falcon: I believe so Troy
[13:33] Troy McLuhan: I know that's what happens to group liabilities (like putting parcels in Search - Places)
[13:34] Crystal Falcon: I believe I've read that in the forums
[13:34] Persephone Phoenix is Offline
[13:34] Crystal Falcon: For people who sell who want to get the proceeds, they eject everyone first?
[13:34] Crystal Falcon: Eeeps, there goes Perse
[13:34] Troy McLuhan: Okay let's wait for her to relog
[13:34] Crystal Falcon: Mmhmms
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[13:35] Persephone Phoenix is Online
[13:35] Crystal Falcon: wb Perse!
[13:35] Persephone Phoenix: sorry crashed.
[13:35] Persephone Phoenix is Online
[13:36] Persephone Phoenix: ahhh right
[13:36] Persephone Phoenix: so that is another reason to just make it a land grant
[13:36] Persephone Phoenix: to the best proposal.
[13:36] Persephone Phoenix: for keeps but they pay the teir.
[13:37] Persephone Phoenix: it's beautiful land actually.
[13:37] Troy McLuhan: Yeah on the edge of a long-standing park
[13:38] Persephone Phoenix: I want to say that I think that the FFRC has made a valuable contribution to sustaining rich content during a transitional period in SL's history.
[13:38] Persephone Phoenix: I think our time and efforts have been largely well spent.
[13:38] Persephone Phoenix: But I do see sims where the owners are paying pretty decent sl wages for event hosts
[13:39] Persephone Phoenix: and content is beginning to proliferate so wildly that it is hard to keep up with all of the events that I, personally, am obligated to attend.
[13:40] Troy McLuhan: Perse I don't understand the technicalities of how a land grand would work
[13:40] Troy McLuhan: grant
[13:40] Persephone Phoenix: well what I would propose
[13:41] Persephone Phoenix: is that we solicit applications for the land with the understanding that once the land were given
[13:41] Persephone Phoenix: (sold for L$0)
[13:41] Persephone Phoenix: oh jamys is here lemme tp him.
[13:41] Troy McLuhan: Ah, I see, sold for L$0
[13:42] Persephone Phoenix: Hey there Jamys
[13:42] Crystal Falcon: Hi Jamys!
[13:42] Troy McLuhan: One can set a parcel for sale to a specific avatar
[13:42] Jamys Vuckovic: Hi... sorry I'm late, I had notices for something at 1 and 2 and got them backwards
[13:42] Persephone Phoenix: ahhh
[13:42] Persephone Phoenix: hehe
[13:43] Crystal Falcon giggles, do you mind being late to your 2:00 now? ;p
[13:43] Persephone Phoenix: so Jamys
[13:43] Jamys Vuckovic: 2:00 isn't really that important
[13:43] Persephone Phoenix: to catch you up
[13:43] Persephone Phoenix: we've been talking about the transitioning landscape, lessened need for FFRC (though Crystal isn't sure about that part)
[13:43] Jamys Vuckovic nods
[13:44] Persephone Phoenix: and the fact that there isn't interest to replace Troy and I
[13:44] Persephone Phoenix: And this is the hour of fundraising if we were to continue.
[13:44] Jamys Vuckovic nods.
[13:45] Persephone Phoenix: so what I think is that we should do one more round of fundraising
[13:45] Persephone Phoenix: oops sorry
[13:45] Persephone Phoenix: fund giving
[13:45] Persephone Phoenix: not raising.
[13:45] Persephone Phoenix: lol
[13:45] Crystal Falcon giggles
[13:45] Crystal Falcon: I was going to SAY!
[13:45] Persephone Phoenix: hahaha
[13:45] Jamys Vuckovic: disburse the remaining and shut down?
[13:45] Persephone Phoenix: yes.
[13:45] Persephone Phoenix: and the land.
[13:46] Persephone Phoenix: so we could make it 3 20,000 linden grants maybe?
[13:46] Jamys Vuckovic: I'd have to agree, I think.
[13:46] Persephone Phoenix: or 2 30,000 grants?
[13:46] Crystal Falcon: 3
[13:46] Persephone Phoenix: two grants of L$30,000?
[13:46] Persephone Phoenix: plus the land grant.
[13:46] Crystal Falcon: We always want to give to more
[13:46] Persephone Phoenix: yeah
[13:46] Persephone Phoenix: it's true.
[13:46] Jamys Vuckovic: 3 grants has been S.O.P.
[13:46] Persephone Phoenix: so three grants of ten thousand linden each.
[13:46] Persephone Phoenix nods
[13:47] Troy McLuhan: We have L$67000 or so?
[13:47] Persephone Phoenix: Three grants (let's not announce that it is
[13:47] Persephone Phoenix: the final thing)
[13:47] Persephone Phoenix: until after.
[13:47] Jamys Vuckovic: Yeah, good plan
[13:47] Persephone Phoenix: I think we should do a formal announcement of the FFRC's closure after we are done with the grants.
[13:48] Persephone Phoenix: then the remaining 7000 or whatever it is
[13:48] Persephone Phoenix: let me see
[13:48] Crystal Falcon: And shouldn't the question of shutting down entirely, particularly the rather final act of giving away land be proposed to the entire group? (Although I've never seen the group voting function ever used...)
[13:48] Persephone Phoenix: $L67,006
[13:48] Persephone Phoenix: yes.
[13:48] Persephone Phoenix: well that's because it doesn't function properly
[13:49] Persephone Phoenix: since some people are members who aren't in sl anymore
[13:49] Crystal Falcon: Would it be odd to make the grants L$22 each?
[13:49] Persephone Phoenix: we could or we could take the part left over
[13:49] Persephone Phoenix: the 7006
[13:49] Troy McLuhan: 3 x L$22,000
[13:49] Persephone Phoenix: and give that to the person who gets the land
[13:49] Persephone Phoenix: as a contribution toward the first month of teir.
[13:49] Troy McLuhan: Oh, yeah that's an idea
[13:50] Crystal Falcon: Of course only people who have premium memberships could take this land I presume?
[13:50] Jamys Vuckovic: talking about doing a land grant?
[13:50] Persephone Phoenix: yes. for the plot here.
[13:50] Troy McLuhan: Yeah you need a premium SL account to own SL mainland
[13:50] Jamys Vuckovic nods.
[13:50] Persephone Phoenix nods
[13:50] Persephone Phoenix: so that would be a prerequisite.
[13:50] Troy McLuhan: Currently there are about 84,000 premium accounts
[13:50] Persephone Phoenix: we could say one prerequisite would be
[13:50] Crystal Falcon: Is there an inworld voting system that could be set here for a month if the group voting thing doesn't work?
[13:51] Troy McLuhan: Perse could just send out a notice asking people to send her a notecard if they want to pick up the torch
[13:51] Crystal Falcon: Mmhmms
[13:51] Persephone Phoenix: Yes.
[13:51] Crystal Falcon: Good point Troy
[13:51] Troy McLuhan: People who vote no to dissolving should back that sentiment with leadership
[13:51] Crystal Falcon: ANd that would require the individual initiative
[13:51] Jamys Vuckovic: Yeah, that would be easiest, probably
[13:52] Crystal Falcon: Mmhmms Troy, brilliant!
[13:52] Jamys Vuckovic: exactly Troy
[13:52] Persephone Phoenix: We could say that if we receive five yes votes
[13:52] Jamys Vuckovic: They get to be the officers
[13:52] Persephone Phoenix: however
[13:52] Jamys Vuckovic: All yours, have fun
[13:52] Persephone Phoenix: this is the problem
[13:52] Persephone Phoenix: haha
[13:52] Persephone Phoenix: what if they aren't trustworthy and they make a mockery of all the FFRC has done?
[13:52] Jamys Vuckovic: That's a good point
[13:53] Crystal Falcon: They can do that anyway if we shut down
[13:53] Persephone Phoenix: wouldn't we want the people to be in good standing in the community?
[13:53] Persephone Phoenix: well not really
[13:53] Persephone Phoenix: i mean whomever would own the land
[13:53] Persephone Phoenix: but not the FFRC name.
[13:53] Jamys Vuckovic: Frankly, I'm sorta tilted in the direction of this:
[13:54] Troy McLuhan: My suspicion is that nobody will say "I want to lead the FFRC into a glorious new phase!". If someone does, then we can interview them
[13:54] Persephone Phoenix nods
[13:54] Jamys Vuckovic: I'm normally for everyone getting a vote, but the regular "membership" is pretty much represented right here.
[13:54] Persephone Phoenix: lol
[13:54] Crystal Falcon: If they attended this meeting and wanted to be officers we wouldn't cross-examine them much
[13:54] Persephone Phoenix nods
[13:54] Persephone Phoenix: so we will plan to do the final round of funding
[13:54] Crystal Falcon: imo, if someone wants to step forward, it's now their vision
[13:54] Persephone Phoenix: THEN meet about the land next tie?
[13:54] Persephone Phoenix: time?
[13:54] Persephone Phoenix: but do one big push for officers?
[13:55] Crystal Falcon: Ownership can't be claimed over that if it's passed on after all
[13:55] Jamys Vuckovic: Yeah. Although if you have to say "if we don't get new officers we're shutting down" then that sorta defeats the purpose of not announcing, etc.
[13:55] Crystal Falcon: And someone who steps up should be able to lead their vision
[13:55] Persephone Phoenix: I will still be a part of the FFRC if there are those who can step in to lead. yes.
[13:55] Troy McLuhan: ok
[13:56] Persephone Phoenix: I would be happy to serve as a sort of cultural memory and to take part on committees
[13:56] Persephone Phoenix: but this org if it continues needs someone with more time for it.
[13:56] Persephone Phoenix: at the helm.
[13:56] Persephone Phoenix: and further it needs about 10 committee members. lol
[13:57] Crystal Falcon: LOL
[13:57] Crystal Falcon:
[13:57] Persephone Phoenix: heh
[13:57] Troy McLuhan: That scared away the visitor
[13:57] Persephone Phoenix: so our decision is to announce funding (yes I see that)
[13:57] Crystal Falcon: LOL Troy!
[13:57] Persephone Phoenix: lol
[13:57] Persephone Phoenix: I should have said hello.
[13:57] Persephone Phoenix: hehe
[13:57] Crystal Falcon: It seems to be our theme today?
[13:57] Persephone Phoenix: yes. lol
[13:57] Crystal Falcon: I almost did Perse, but we were on a role
[13:58] Persephone Phoenix: I just think that there must be a library or something that could use the space.
[13:58] Persephone Phoenix: if they have the teir.
[13:58] Persephone Phoenix: or membership to support the teir.
[13:58] Crystal Falcon: Okies, so round of funding... Then after that announce shutting down and see if anyone steps up?
[13:58] Persephone Phoenix: yep
[13:58] Crystal Falcon: Hee, the Library keeps growing and growing
[13:58] Troy McLuhan: So put out the RFP for 3 L$20,000 grants plus one (land + L$7000) grant now...
[13:58] Persephone Phoenix nods
[13:59] Crystal Falcon: They have their own islands
[13:59] Persephone Phoenix: I say 3 20,000 grants
[13:59] Crystal Falcon: I wouldn't do land until we know we are disbanding
[13:59] Persephone Phoenix: three grants of twenty thousand
[13:59] Crystal Falcon: Since that can't be undone
[13:59] Persephone Phoenix: and then wait on the land and the remaining few thou
[13:59] Persephone Phoenix: so that if the decision is to continue and fundraise
[13:59] Persephone Phoenix: that 7000 is there to prepare for that.
[13:59] Troy McLuhan: ok
[13:59] Crystal Falcon nods, wise Perse
[14:00] Troy McLuhan: I can help publicize the RFP as usual
[14:01] Troy McLuhan: Request for Proposals
[14:01] Persephone Phoenix nods
[14:01] Troy McLuhan: or whatever we call the announcements of the grants
[14:01] Persephone Phoenix: yep sounds ggood.
[14:01] Persephone Phoenix: Request for Proposals for the 2008 Winter Granting cycle of the FFRC
[14:02] Troy McLuhan: You have some old templates to work off right Perse?
[14:02] Persephone Phoenix: yes
[14:02] Persephone Phoenix: all I have to do is update the last one or anyone could.
[14:03] Troy McLuhan: You can send it as a group notice though
[14:03] Persephone Phoenix: yes
[14:03] Persephone Phoenix: I will.
[14:03] Troy McLuhan: Great, I'm happy to help with that
[14:03] Persephone Phoenix: I'll send it out as a group notice by the 15th of October.
[14:04] Persephone Phoenix: I could do it sooner if necessary but I have a little bit of a time crunch atm
[14:04] Persephone Phoenix: due to overcommitting myself as ever.
[14:04] Crystal Falcon: Why rush?
[14:04] Persephone Phoenix: lol
[14:04] Persephone Phoenix nods
[14:04] Crystal Falcon: Especially as winter grants instead of autumn grants
[14:04] Persephone Phoenix: yes I think. Sound ok, Troy?
[14:04] Troy McLuhan: Yes
[14:04] Persephone Phoenix: And Jamys?
[14:05] Jamys Vuckovic: Sure
[14:05] Troy McLuhan: When to meet next...
[14:06] Persephone Phoenix: so next meeting would be November
[14:06] Persephone Phoenix: the first Saturday
[14:06] Troy McLuhan: We didn't decide a duedate for the applications yet
[14:06] Crystal Falcon: That's the 1st
[14:06] Jamys Vuckovic: The 1st?
[14:06] Persephone Phoenix: oh good idea Troy.
[14:06] Crystal Falcon: (At least that's when I see FFRC on my calendar, LOL
[14:06] Persephone Phoenix: How about this
[14:07] Persephone Phoenix: Lets make the applications for November 15
[14:07] Crystal Falcon: And meet next Dec?
[14:07] Persephone Phoenix: and then meet the first of December or rather the first Saturday?
[14:07] Persephone Phoenix: yep.
[14:07] Crystal Falcon: THe 6th
[14:07] Troy McLuhan: Dec. 6 yeah
[14:07] Persephone Phoenix: Thank you, Crystal.
[14:08] Persephone Phoenix: sound like a plan?
[14:08] Crystal Falcon loves Google calendar, and hopes it doesn't have the issues we had with Google groups or I'd be lost
[14:08] Persephone Phoenix: Incidentally we have no outstanding reports save for the report of the guy whom we let do classes here. lol
[14:08] Crystal Falcon: And he's delighted?
[14:08] Persephone Phoenix: So we have all final funding reports from projects save that one person.
[14:09] Jamys Vuckovic: I don't think I'm doing anything Dec 6
[14:09] Persephone Phoenix: I don't think he's around anymore.
[14:09] Crystal Falcon: Ahs
[14:09] Troy McLuhan: I acually lost all the events in one of my Google Calendars once, but I was still able to login. Now I back them up once per week
[14:09] Crystal Falcon: Eeeps Troy
[14:09] Crystal Falcon: How do you back them up?
[14:09] Troy McLuhan: I can tell you - just a sec...
[14:10] Troy McLuhan: Settings - Calendars - pick the calendar - in the Private Address section, right click the green ICAL button - save as.... file
[14:10] Crystal Falcon: tywm!
[14:10] Crystal Falcon doesn't want to lose her FFRC meetings for 2009
[14:10] Persephone Phoenix:
[14:10] Crystal Falcon: tyvm I mean
[14:10] Persephone Phoenix: Crystal such an optimist.
[14:10] Crystal Falcon:
[14:11] Crystal Falcon: LOL, I just don't like missing things I commit to?
[14:11] Persephone Phoenix: So October 15 announcement of grants funding and then
[14:11] Persephone Phoenix: Yes you are super.
[14:11] Troy McLuhan: Next meeting December 6
[14:12] Troy McLuhan: Maybe Perse is crashing
[14:12] Persephone Phoenix: nope sorry
[14:12] Persephone Phoenix: was spamed with notecards
[14:12] Persephone Phoenix: lol
[14:12] Crystal Falcon: Nopes, see her looking around
[14:12] Crystal Falcon: LOL
[14:12] Persephone Phoenix: i get a lot of that
[14:12] Crystal Falcon: Eeeps
[14:13] Troy McLuhan: I had a random person offer friendship, and I always say yes... Next think I know he offers me a teleport to his store twice per day
[14:13] Persephone Phoenix: ok so next meeting is December 6th. Any further business?