Camping has ruined events

I was bored tonight and decided to try a tringo. As most old timers would probably guess it was a serious disapointment. The pots couldnt even get to 20L. I have come to the conclusion that camping chairs/dance pads have caused this. It use to be that events were what pushed traffic now it seems like the only way to get traffic is camping chairs. I understand this to a point but it is sad. What good is haveing 65000 traffic when your sim is full and people cant get in cause everyone is camping? Dont people realize that traffic is useless now? Malls get renters cause their traffic is high but its all campers and the renters are wasteing their money. I dont have a solution to this but i wish SL could go back to pre camping days, when land owners had to actually do something to get traffic and that traffic brought real people who were awake and actually shopped and bought stuff. I know this is probably a useless thing to complain about but I am hopeing there is some talented griefer out there who is smart enough to figure a way to make camping chairs useless. PLEASE!!! We NEED a good griefer to find a way to hack these chairs so they all pay you or something. make it a waste of time for people to camp. bring back the fun SL. Everyone knows you griefers can make danceing penis' run all over an event.Thats old news. I DARE you griefers to find a way to end camping since the lindens wont. and if you happen to find a way IM me I will pay you a reward in strict confidance

What is the point of campers - I mean - an hour to earn L$12 what's that all about? And meanwhile they just cause lag and irritate everybody... there are places I will NOT go back to because of these freloaders and I am a paying customer... but hopefully you were joking about the griefers - they are an even sadder waste of space - SL version of vandals and litter louts... morons every one!
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If you really want camping to dry up and blow away, just about the only thing that I think will finally kill it is if they finally eliminate the absolutely useless "Popular Places" list. This is the only thing really left in the system that keeps that going on on a big scale. I guess they may also still use traffic for some sorting of search hits, and that should probably go away as well. At this point they are only vestiges of a system that has been gutted of any usefulness.

It looks like SL crack - and it is really sad to earn that small amount for bothering to keep your machine on. If you look around the maps it is awful. Would be good to outlaw it... But what can you do eh? Maybe some land owners should be more picky about who they sell their land off too... I just had a surprise escort probably going to be camping building crop up next to me... I am gutted.

It looks like SL crack - and it is really sad to earn that small amount for bothering to keep your machine on. If you look around the maps it is awful. Would be good to outlaw it... But what can you do eh? Maybe some land owners should be more picky about who they sell their land off too... I just had a surprise escort probably going to be camping building crop up next to me... I am gutted.

The daily traffic report is quite useful for retailers looking for high traffic areas to rent. Of course, the higher the traffic, the more it cost to rent retail space in that particular location. I think we need to keep that in place just for that purpose. I also use two resident-designed traffic systems that send me daily stats. One system is particular good because I can grab my stats from their website anytime I want.

The dailly traffic report would be good if it was not for campers. I agree it is important for retailers to know how many people come to a sim. However I disagree that the daily traffic report provided by LL is of any use to retailers if a high proportion of those coming to a sim are only there to camp.

Camping chairs are a very lazy way to bring people to sims and campers provide very limited potential sales. People should hold more events such as discusion groups or debates.

If possible, a measure of how much chat takes place in a sim would be a useful guide to compare against the volume of traffic. The number of characters "spoken" per hour could be divided by the nuber of people in that sim, for example, this would give you a good indication of a fun sim to be in.

A measurement which would be useful for retailers would be the volume of sales and value of sales for a sim. I am sure LL could extrapolate this information easily from the grid.

Do you really think there's a need for more events like discussions? I have land that I definitely won't use for camping, gambling, escorts/eroti-dance and I'm reluctant to rent but it's a lot of land which is mostly a personal sandbox and meeting area for me and a few friends presently. But it's a nice space in a nice area and I'd love to use it for something more. There's too much of the camping and gambling and nudie bars and there's seems to be a glut of clubs too. I'd love to open the doors to cool groups that need a meeting space for this sort of thing.

I dont see how you can think this. The traffic would be good for retailers if it was counting shoppers but it is not. It is only good for mall owners who use the number to fool gullible retailers into paying higher rents for a space where nobody goes. How do you as a retailer expect to get a sale from a bunch of zombies who never leave their seats and worse then that if they do leave their seats they havent earned enough to buy anything you sell? The easiest solution to this is movement if an avi doesnt move for 15 min boot them Lighten the server load and reduce the lag. Then the traffic number will be usefull again.

L$12 an hour is enough for a L$10 upload fee...
It’s very good for noob designers...
For example when I was a noob before I learnt other ways to get money and got my way into building up a custom tattoo business I use to camp a lot...
By the time I had finished the design I had camped money to upload the work into the grid.
Yes camping chairs mess around with the whole traffic system... but at the end of the day... if all the people are campers and hardly anyone’s playing don't go there.
Don’t rent in malls which don't have events or have high traffic because they have one or more good designers people come for not the chairs.

At the end of the day in the area of knowing where to rent. you have to look around...you have to do research into what people come there for freebies, events to shop etc. what styles etc if there is right. to just really on traffic is pretty dumb... after all what’s the use in selling punk products in a classical ballroom place?

At the end of the day on the area of games... if they just fill it with campers and milk the sim to death to get traffic so people will come just go somewhere else... there isn't a tax on teleporting. Good places don’t have campers… most of the places I go have 0 or up to 3-5 max. yet they still have nice traffic and there is normally people active there because its run well and normally has interesting things or good events.

How many $Lindens an hour earned camping ???
How many $Lindens an hour to run a PC, in terms of just RL electricity costs???

hmmmmm........How many campers does it take to change a lightbulb???

yeh you do save more money by NOT keeping your pc on. which is why i find it stupid when people camp over night and stuff... since it costs them more in electricity. but for designers or scripters or people who are talking to sl friends in IM its good.
thought it is very stupid to just leave your pc on only to run sl for say L$3 per 10mins...
thats about L$18 an hour...
to make $1.. you need to earn about L$266 you need to leave it running for about 14 hours.
so its dam stupid to camp unless your going to be online anyway using the pc for example if your a designer/scripter etc.

Um, Griefers were the ones who made the camping chairs that way to begin with. What you are asking for is a coder who will basically break camping. My suggestion is...learn C++. And then join Libsl or the opensource project and figure out how to do it yourself.

**Um, Griefers were the ones who made the camping chairs that way to begin with.**

In regards to the above statement. It wasnt Griefers who made the camping chairs. I know it all started with the dance pads that a well known Island owner made to raise their traffic back up so as to be #1 again on the favorites before dwell ended. As you know once something is made in SL someone else comes along and comes out with a simular item, hense the camping chairs.

I think instead of hacking the chairs etc and then they bring out v2.0 and then somone has to hack v2.0 and repeat till the end of time - people should just get creative with the camping spots to make the game better...

instead of having a simple chair area -

why not a dance pole within a club, thus adding to the themed area.

or say there is a nice village area the owner of the sim could have a camping fishing spot with a random fish prize that you can take to the market and sell for bigger a bonus. and because you have to acknowledge that you have caught a fish for the bonus campers may be more awake than afk.

a great icentive for shopping malls is to allow a timelimit in each shop location. inside the perimiter of shop A you get L$1 per minute for 20mins max then once you have browsed or camped whatever you wish to perceive it as you have to move to the next shop (next door) and the same applies. now the difference is if your a camper your forced to do something for your money and the retailers get advertising from it and for everyone else who appreciates the reality of sl the campers look like ordinary folk shopping and before you know it the campers mite actually see something they like on there camping tours.

i used to have a money ball in my club that was a raffle - u all know them and that worked fine it was fun to be at my club and the added incentive of playing a raffle was ok.

rewarding people for being at your event and increasing your presence is fine and a good idea for business. but a very old idea, developers should get inventive and create a vibrant SL where everyone gets payed to have fun.

people will say im not fishing for my 2 cents im gonna go sit in a chair and afk for hours at the greenhouse where everyone sits and says nothing.

but if people made the lighthouse more fun to sit and camp and partay and shop and fish and play games and chat and stuff AND get payed i know where im going to HAVE a "second life" i make 100x more in one minute at RL work than a camping chair in 1hr
and thats hella more fun.

KILL THE CRACK CHAIRS

GIVE BIRTH TO THE CRACK FAIRGROUND!!!!!!