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Sensual Casanova

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11-13-2005 17:20

Does anyone know a good place to get started on streaming video? I have around 3000 movies irl and would love to put em to use...
Any info or how to's would be great!
Thanks!

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paulie Femto

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Join date: 13 Sep 2003

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It's frustrating

11-13-2005 17:47

Streaming video can be done, but it's hardly worth the effort. The result will be alternately glitchy, play without sound, or crash the client completely.

SL should really move away from Quicktime to FFMPEG:
http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/projects.php

Or at least, for Farks sake, try and stabilize their Quicktime implementation. Streaming video is an admitted (by Lindens) "hack" that was thrown in by a new programmer so he could "get used to the code base." And that is where it has STAYED. Since it was hacked in.

It's a shambles, really.

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Cristiano Midnight

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11-13-2005 18:14

From: Sensual Casanova

Does anyone know a good place to get started on streaming video? I have around 3000 movies irl and would love to put em to use...
Any info or how to's would be great!
Thanks!

You can find streaming Quicktime hosting sites. However, one thing to keep in mind, as tempting as it is to show theatrical films in SL, it is a severe copyright violation. I would avoid putting yourself at risk if I were you, Sensual. The MPAA is EXTREMELY litigious - and SL gets enough publicity that if an attorney for them finds out films are being shown for free (or worse, for money) in SL, there will be trouble. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Unless you have a specific license to show films in a public venue, then display on SL would not fall under fair use and you could get in to trouble. Now if the films are your own making, that is something else, but I imagine you aren't talking about stuff you yourself have made.

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Sensual Casanova

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11-13-2005 19:05

From: Cristiano Midnight

You can find streaming Quicktime hosting sites. However, one thing to keep in mind, as tempting as it is to show theatrical films in SL, it is a severe copyright violation. I would avoid putting yourself at risk if I were you, Sensual. The MPAA is EXTREMELY litigious - and SL gets enough publicity that if an attorney for them finds out films are being shown for free (or worse, for money) in SL, there will be trouble. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Unless you have a specific license to show films in a public venue, then display on SL would not fall under fair use and you could get in to trouble. Now if the films are your own making, that is something else, but I imagine you aren't talking about stuff you yourself have made.

O come on Cris! I am sure Billy has told you about my homemade movies!

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Sensual Casanova

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11-14-2005 03:45

So... can anyone help me?

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Jesrad Seraph

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11-14-2005 04:23

Bleargh @ copyright concerns.

I suggest starting here, Sens

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Sensual Casanova

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11-14-2005 04:50

Thanks Jes, but thats not quite what I am looking for, I want to be able to stream movies/video that I have here at home.. I am guessing I need a certain server to do that with?

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Surina Skallagrimson

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11-14-2005 04:58

This has come up before Sensual but I can't find the specific thread. Basicaly you need a mac and some freeware streaming software (that I can't remember the name of) that may or may not be freely available. Something to do with quicktime being an Apple product and no inplementation of the streaming server for windows or something like that.

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11-14-2005 05:02

From: Surina Skallagrimson

This has come up before Sensual but I can't find the specific thread. Basicaly you need a mac and some freeware streaming software (that I can't remember the name of) that may or may not be freely available. Something to do with quicktime being an Apple product and no inplementation of the streaming server for windows or something like that.

that sux

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Surina Skallagrimson

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11-14-2005 05:07

This may help you Sensual. http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/

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Sensual Casanova

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11-14-2005 05:08

From: Surina Skallagrimson

This may help you Sensual. http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/

Thank you!

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Harris Hare

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11-14-2005 07:36

Harris' school of streaming is now is session. Let's begin.

The word "streaming" is being used very casually in SL to describe two types of delivery methods. One is true video streaming and the other is known as progressive download.

Progressive download is when you have a prerecorded clip hosted on an ordinary web server and when people click play in their SL clients, the movie is downloaded a little then viewed while the clip continues to be downloaded. The advantage is that no special streaming server software is required and clips can be viewed anytime on demand. The downside is that it can't be anything live and each viewer can be out of sync with the other.

In true video streaming, there is a file or live video input being streamed to the clients from a streaming media server software so that each person is seeing the exact same thing at the same time. Since SL standardizes on Quicktime, this would most likely be an MPEG4 or H.264 video stream. This also requires that someone not-only host the stream but start and stop an encoder on a computer that feeds the server the stream which it then relays to the viewers.

In both cases, the biggest issue is bandwidth.

Even on a broadband connection, the average home user gets around 24KBps (kiloBytes per second) in upload speed. The comes out to around 190Kbps (kilobits per second). If you attempt to stream a movie from your home computer using a streaming media server software at a casual 100Kbps, then only one person could be viewing your live stream before your upload bandwidth would be exceeded. Anyone else would just get a stuttering mess. So unless you have a very high-speed connection at your location, live streaming isn't a viable option.

Now, there are services out there that you can pay that will handle the relaying for you but they're usually pretty expensive. I've not looked in a while but they were the last time I checked.

Progressive download is certainly an easier solution for "streaming" video in SL but bandwidth is still an issue. Again, if you are hosting the files on your local computer you're going to be facing the same issues described above. But if you are instead hosting the files at another location, someplace that has a fast connection, you may have a cap or limit on the amount of bandwidth you're allowed to send each month. Not so much an issue of "at the same time" but an issue of "total amount sent". Check with your hosting provider if this is the case.

Hope this helps.

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Sensual Casanova Spoiled Brat Join date: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 4,807	11-13-2005 17:20 Does anyone know a good place to get started on streaming video? I have around 3000 movies irl and would love to put em to use... Any info or how to's would be great! Thanks! _____________________ Sensual Designs & Animations Sensual Productions Teleport to Sensual Designs & Animations
paulie Femto Into the dark Join date: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,098	It's frustrating 11-13-2005 17:47 Streaming video can be done, but it's hardly worth the effort. The result will be alternately glitchy, play without sound, or crash the client completely. SL should really move away from Quicktime to FFMPEG: http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/projects.php Or at least, for Farks sake, try and stabilize their Quicktime implementation. Streaming video is an admitted (by Lindens) "hack" that was thrown in by a new programmer so he could "get used to the code base." And that is where it has STAYED. Since it was hacked in. It's a shambles, really. _____________________ REUTERS on SL: "Thirty-five thousand people wearing their psyches on the outside and all the attendant unfettered freakishness that brings."
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	11-13-2005 18:14 From: Sensual Casanova Does anyone know a good place to get started on streaming video? I have around 3000 movies irl and would love to put em to use... Any info or how to's would be great! Thanks! You can find streaming Quicktime hosting sites. However, one thing to keep in mind, as tempting as it is to show theatrical films in SL, it is a severe copyright violation. I would avoid putting yourself at risk if I were you, Sensual. The MPAA is EXTREMELY litigious - and SL gets enough publicity that if an attorney for them finds out films are being shown for free (or worse, for money) in SL, there will be trouble. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Unless you have a specific license to show films in a public venue, then display on SL would not fall under fair use and you could get in to trouble. Now if the films are your own making, that is something else, but I imagine you aren't talking about stuff you yourself have made. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Sensual Casanova Spoiled Brat Join date: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 4,807	11-13-2005 19:05 From: Cristiano Midnight You can find streaming Quicktime hosting sites. However, one thing to keep in mind, as tempting as it is to show theatrical films in SL, it is a severe copyright violation. I would avoid putting yourself at risk if I were you, Sensual. The MPAA is EXTREMELY litigious - and SL gets enough publicity that if an attorney for them finds out films are being shown for free (or worse, for money) in SL, there will be trouble. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Unless you have a specific license to show films in a public venue, then display on SL would not fall under fair use and you could get in to trouble. Now if the films are your own making, that is something else, but I imagine you aren't talking about stuff you yourself have made. O come on Cris! I am sure Billy has told you about my homemade movies! _____________________ Sensual Designs & Animations Sensual Productions Teleport to Sensual Designs & Animations
Sensual Casanova Spoiled Brat Join date: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 4,807	11-14-2005 03:45 So... can anyone help me? _____________________ Sensual Designs & Animations Sensual Productions Teleport to Sensual Designs & Animations
Jesrad Seraph Nonsense Join date: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,463	11-14-2005 04:23 Bleargh @ copyright concerns. I suggest starting here, Sens _____________________ Either Man can enjoy universal freedom, or Man cannot. If it is possible then everyone can act freely if they don't stop anyone else from doing same. If it is not possible, then conflict will arise anyway so punch those that try to stop you. In conclusion the only strategy that wins in all cases is that of doing what you want against all adversity, as long as you respect that right in others.
Sensual Casanova Spoiled Brat Join date: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 4,807	11-14-2005 04:50 Thanks Jes, but thats not quite what I am looking for, I want to be able to stream movies/video that I have here at home.. I am guessing I need a certain server to do that with? _____________________ Sensual Designs & Animations Sensual Productions Teleport to Sensual Designs & Animations
Surina Skallagrimson Queen of Amazon Nations Join date: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 941	11-14-2005 04:58 This has come up before Sensual but I can't find the specific thread. Basicaly you need a mac and some freeware streaming software (that I can't remember the name of) that may or may not be freely available. Something to do with quicktime being an Apple product and no inplementation of the streaming server for windows or something like that. _____________________ -------------------------------------------------------- Surina Skallagrimson Queen of Amazon Nation Rizal Sports Mentor -------------------------------------------------------- Philip Linden: "we are not in the game business." Adam Savage: "I reject your reality and substitue my own."
Sensual Casanova Spoiled Brat Join date: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 4,807	11-14-2005 05:02 From: Surina Skallagrimson This has come up before Sensual but I can't find the specific thread. Basicaly you need a mac and some freeware streaming software (that I can't remember the name of) that may or may not be freely available. Something to do with quicktime being an Apple product and no inplementation of the streaming server for windows or something like that. that sux _____________________ Sensual Designs & Animations Sensual Productions Teleport to Sensual Designs & Animations
Surina Skallagrimson Queen of Amazon Nations Join date: 19 Jun 2003 Posts: 941	11-14-2005 05:07 This may help you Sensual. http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/ _____________________ -------------------------------------------------------- Surina Skallagrimson Queen of Amazon Nation Rizal Sports Mentor -------------------------------------------------------- Philip Linden: "we are not in the game business." Adam Savage: "I reject your reality and substitue my own."
Sensual Casanova Spoiled Brat Join date: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 4,807	11-14-2005 05:08 From: Surina Skallagrimson This may help you Sensual. http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/streaming/ Thank you! _____________________ Sensual Designs & Animations Sensual Productions Teleport to Sensual Designs & Animations
Harris Hare Second Life Resident Join date: 5 Nov 2004 Posts: 301	11-14-2005 07:36 Harris' school of streaming is now is session. Let's begin. The word "streaming" is being used very casually in SL to describe two types of delivery methods. One is true video streaming and the other is known as progressive download. Progressive download is when you have a prerecorded clip hosted on an ordinary web server and when people click play in their SL clients, the movie is downloaded a little then viewed while the clip continues to be downloaded. The advantage is that no special streaming server software is required and clips can be viewed anytime on demand. The downside is that it can't be anything live and each viewer can be out of sync with the other. In true video streaming, there is a file or live video input being streamed to the clients from a streaming media server software so that each person is seeing the exact same thing at the same time. Since SL standardizes on Quicktime, this would most likely be an MPEG4 or H.264 video stream. This also requires that someone not-only host the stream but start and stop an encoder on a computer that feeds the server the stream which it then relays to the viewers. In both cases, the biggest issue is bandwidth. Even on a broadband connection, the average home user gets around 24KBps (kiloBytes per second) in upload speed. The comes out to around 190Kbps (kilobits per second). If you attempt to stream a movie from your home computer using a streaming media server software at a casual 100Kbps, then only one person could be viewing your live stream before your upload bandwidth would be exceeded. Anyone else would just get a stuttering mess. So unless you have a very high-speed connection at your location, live streaming isn't a viable option. Now, there are services out there that you can pay that will handle the relaying for you but they're usually pretty expensive. I've not looked in a while but they were the last time I checked. Progressive download is certainly an easier solution for "streaming" video in SL but bandwidth is still an issue. Again, if you are hosting the files on your local computer you're going to be facing the same issues described above. But if you are instead hosting the files at another location, someplace that has a fast connection, you may have a cap or limit on the amount of bandwidth you're allowed to send each month. Not so much an issue of "at the same time" but an issue of "total amount sent". Check with your hosting provider if this is the case. Hope this helps.

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