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Artemis Cain
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08-22-2006 08:36
I noticed that LL is only allowing ONE unverified account per machine now. All other accounts must pay a one-time fee of $9.95 to create the alt.

While this doesn't stop all of the underage unverifieds, it will no doubt curb the "I will just create a new alt if you ban this one" population.

This is, imho, a step in the right direction!
Vivianne Draper
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08-22-2006 08:42
where did they announce this? what about people who already have more than one?
Artemis Cain
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08-22-2006 08:49
I don't recall seeing an announcment. I have randomly attempted to create alts since unverifieds came in to play. I was able to get around the "so many for your account" by simply remoting in to my work network and using my class B IP range + one to one NAT.

I suppose once the people who have their alt armies run through all of them, they will not be able to create more.
I guess the point is that alts are no longer a renewable resource for griefers
FlipperPA Peregrine
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08-22-2006 08:57
Another thing that was formally announced at SLCC that should make people happy is that they're backing off the weekly releases - one per fortnight now.

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08-22-2006 08:59
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
Another thing that was formally announced at SLCC that should make people happy is that they're backing off the weekly releases - one per fortnight now.


You realize we are skeptical..right?
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Lewis Nerd
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08-22-2006 08:59
From: Artemis Cain
I noticed that LL is only allowing ONE unverified account per machine now. All other accounts must pay a one-time fee of $9.95 to create the alt.

While this doesn't stop all of the underage unverifieds, it will no doubt curb the "I will just create a new alt if you ban this one" population.

This is, imho, a step in the right direction!


You can have as many unverified alts as you want, but you can't verify them otherwise you get charged.

This seems really stupid to me, but Torley seems to think it's right, so I guess we just have to live with unverified alts, and people judging them as potential griefers without justification.

Lewis
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Newfie Pendragon
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08-22-2006 09:02
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
Another thing that was formally announced at SLCC that should make people happy is that they're backing off the weekly releases - one per fortnight now.

Regards,

-Flip



Whee, lower volume of patches.

Now what about the volume of bugs and useless bling per patch?


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08-22-2006 09:27
What do people think of the idea that to sell items in SL, you must have payment info on file? In real life, to start a business, you need to have a Tax ID number and be registered. I don't see why this should be a problem in SL.

We've seen a drastic increase in the number of freebie sellers, content thieves, and scammers on SLBoutique lately. The inability to receive payments for items sold in SL for unverified accounts would be an easy way to curtail the burgeoning criminal population while allowing a very east, zero cost avenue for those who wish to sell... while letting anyone participate in an "unlimited, free trial period".

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Cocoanut Koala
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08-22-2006 09:43
Flipper, I think that is a FANTASTIC idea!!!!!

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08-22-2006 09:48
From: Artemis Cain
I noticed that LL is only allowing ONE unverified account per machine now. All other accounts must pay a one-time fee of $9.95 to create the alt.

While this doesn't stop all of the underage unverifieds, it will no doubt curb the "I will just create a new alt if you ban this one" population.

This is, imho, a step in the right direction!


awww no more Beaver for you, Art! :p
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Artemis Cain
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08-22-2006 10:02
Well, last night, I was trying to create PornoBooth Janitor. I create Alts with silly names for a laugh, I don't want an army of griefers. And Lewis, if you already have an unverified, it will ask for payment info before you can create another. Go ahead and try it.
Finning Widget
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08-22-2006 10:04
From: Cocoanut Koala
Flipper, I think that is a FANTASTIC idea!!!!!

coco


Of course you would.
Jesse Malthus
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08-22-2006 13:26
The Janitor last name is just BEGGING for alts.
I have one, it's pretty funny...
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08-22-2006 13:32
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
What do people think of the idea that to sell items in SL, you must have payment info on file? In real life, to start a business, you need to have a Tax ID number and be registered. I don't see why this should be a problem in SL
-Flip


Well, when LL decides to allow more than two accounts per CC, let's talk, hm?
Fade Languish
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08-22-2006 13:38
From: Coyote Momiji
Well, when LL decides to allow more than two accounts per CC, let's talk, hm?


I have three on mine, so it must have changed somewhere along the line.
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Richie Waves
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08-22-2006 13:51
I thought the limit was 5 or 6 myself o.O
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08-22-2006 13:54
From: Fade Languish
I have three on mine, so it must have changed somewhere along the line.


The last time I tried, it refused to allow me more than two.

I may try again, but if it doesn't work - we refuse to have more than one CC in this house, so it'll be moot.
Nyx Divine
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08-22-2006 18:00
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
What do people think of the idea that to sell items in SL, you must have payment info on file? In real life, to start a business, you need to have a Tax ID number and be registered. I don't see why this should be a problem in SL.
Regards,

-Flip


Now there's an idea I like. :eek:
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Cocoanut Koala
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08-22-2006 18:11
Well of course you would. (According to Finning.)

About the number of accounts allowed on this, that, and the other, I think they actually don't want us to know what the rules are.

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Cocoanut Koala
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08-22-2006 18:12
From: Finning Widget
Of course you would.

Now, would you care to explain that comment?

coco

P.S. Who are you?
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Joannah Cramer
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08-22-2006 19:37
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
What do people think of the idea that to sell items in SL, you must have payment info on file? In real life, to start a business, you need to have a Tax ID number and be registered. I don't see why this should be a problem in SL.

I see the technical problem. Short of removing ability to transfer items period, and to receive money in any way, how are you going to limit one's ability to actually sell something?

Also, in RL i don't think many kids/teens have tax ID so they can try run errands for quick buck, or plain get allowance or whatever.... so this analogy only goes so far. There is more to life that involves transfer of item and money, than just having business.
Dr Tardis
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08-22-2006 21:33
From: Joannah Cramer
I see the technical problem. Short of removing ability to transfer items period, and to receive money in any way, how are you going to limit one's ability to actually sell something?

Also, in RL i don't think many kids/teens have tax ID so they can try run errands for quick buck, or plain get allowance or whatever.... so this analogy only goes so far. There is more to life that involves transfer of item and money, than just having business.


A minor cannot sign a legal contract, so if a minor wanted to start a business, it may be necessary for the kid to have a parent sign on any legal documents.

Getting a tax ID isn't always necessary for starting a business. In some areas (like the county where I live), no registration of any sort is required. I can open up shop and start doing or selling anything with no license of any sort. I would simply file taxes on the profits on my personal 1040.
Cocoanut Koala
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08-23-2006 09:07
A sole proprietorship in the U.S. doesn't require a tax ID. You simply file a schedule C, SE, etc., on your own 1040.

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LordGrim Oz
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08-23-2006 09:31
From: Coyote Momiji
Well, when LL decides to allow more than two accounts per CC, let's talk, hm?


the limit is 5 per CC. or at least was when I first created a year and a half ago.
LordGrim Oz
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08-23-2006 09:37
From: Dr Tardis
A minor cannot sign a legal contract, so if a minor wanted to start a business, it may be necessary for the kid to have a parent sign on any legal documents.

Getting a tax ID isn't always necessary for starting a business. In some areas (like the county where I live), no registration of any sort is required. I can open up shop and start doing or selling anything with no license of any sort. I would simply file taxes on the profits on my personal 1040.


ever sell lemonade? I am pretty sure it falls under legitimate business or at least it did in my econ class. no contract or I.T.I.N. required. or how about cutting lawns... I am pretty sure no one ever asked me for a business license back then either.