I don't get it...

A couple weeks ago I reported a griefer for caging me and others in a sandbox near where I live. I asked her to stop then I told her I would report her. She told me abuse reports don't work and whatnot. The next day she set off a nuke in the sim, which would have pushed me out if I had not turned on push restriction, and I reported her for that. I check to see if she is still in the search, and to the day she is. I'm starting to think she was right when she said abuse reports don't work.


Add-on: I have a list of a couple names that have griefed me, that I check to see if they are suspended/banned, yet they are not. What happens to my abuse reports? If they really do record activities and send them with abuse reports, then it should be clear that they were griefing, even if it were just by the chat. What is happening to their ("our" world? Torley said in the Linden answers: "We are not the police." Is that what is happening now?


Edit: I also like how they tell us to put as much detail as possible in the AR, yet you can only type so much before it won't let oyu type anymore. Also it says to watch the police blotter to see what action was taken, yet the Lindens said that not all actions are on the blotter.

We are not the police kinda says it all.

I think this is why systems such as BanLink are needed. The BanLink community will likely do a much better job of policing griefers than LL ever has. The person you just described is a perfect example of someone I would never want on my land and would be happy to allow BanLink to manage people like this.

*sighs* No, AR's don't work for griefers. The only time I've seen them work was because I contacted Live Help right after ARing the turkeys.

I've had them work for someone's tree going over half my land.

If they aren't the police force, then they had better start handing out better tools for us to do our own policing.

LL isn't the police but they like to help.

I don't like systems like that. I've seen the effects of lies. Someone accused me of stealing script in a Grim Baby, yet I was the one who told them their scripts were open in the first place. If I were to steal scripts, I wouldn't have told them they were open. This is why I'm done doing good for the community. Too many times I have been fucked over for doing the right thing.

I have been banned from various popular places, such as Gurl6, and FOO island based on this persons lies. Think of the effects that a lie in the banlink system could have on an innocent person. (P.S. Thank you VERY much for looking into my problem at your casino, I appreciate it.)

Innocent until proven guilty? Too much so viewing the Lindens, too little so viewing the residents.


Edit: I don't know how we can expect them to keep up with ARs accurately when there's simple requests in the SLLM forum from 8-13-06.

There are flaws to this system
the most obvious is you have limited amount of ban space in your land options... then you get an orb and it gets full... all with some false and some true names of everyone gridwide not including your own additions... and guess what will happen... the griefers will make a new alt... again and again

If LL is not the police, who is in control of the "police blotter"?


Hmmmm.....

Him:

LL has said repeatedly they want little or nothing to do with user to user issues. Furthermore they have said they want users to govern the world...

therefore LL would like us to turn SL into Lord of the Flies. Whether someone is legitimately banned, or banned because the evil griefers spread lies about them is the way LL wants us to operate. So who the hell cares anymore....

1st avatar is for making money, not joining in with the society, and making no community impact.

Alts are for everything else.

Actually the accusation that BanLink is a global ban list is false. Global implies a centralized list, wich BanLink is not. BanLink is essentially a decentralized blacklist system that relies on opt-in only trusted shared lists to opperate. What this means is you will only recieve ban lists from those you authorize ahead of time. Since the lists are stored remotely in a database and the local land tools employ temporary bans there is essentially no limit. If a griefer decides to attack in mass you can easily lock down your parcel from UnVerifieds till the griefer gets bored and moves onto another target. If you notice there is a problem with bans coming from one of your trusted lists you simply remove that node. As for ban lists filling up with throw away alts, BanLink is looking into list culling to remove names that haven't been actively banned from other untrusted nodes in a certain time frame (2 - 4 weeks).

There is no flawless system, but the idea of waiting on LL to do something is equally if not more flawed. At least BanLink is attempting to fill in the gap LL has made and for FREE none the less. To be quite honest, its playing a more possitive role then simply sitting back and whining to LL to provide for us till we're blue in the face because they're obviously not gonna deal with it.

Ron pretty much summed it up fairly well.

Only thing to add: We've got some mechanisms in place to 'ration' the land ban list based on the agressiveness of the griefer. That plus the 300-avatar limit on ban lists means that the likelyhood of the banlist filling is pretty remote.

Nimrod - just out of curiosity, check out the BanLink police blotter, and see if this person that griefed you is already on there. Probably wont be, but just curious if this is someone that's griefed other places as well

Since BanLink can only be used by large, heavy greifer targets, its probably not something you could make use of anyway.

The 'BanLink Public Police Blotter' can be viewed by anyone here: http://www.slbanlink.com

I once called SL a virtual prison. LL are just gaolers taking care of the prison and putting any disturbances into temporary isolation as a stopgap measure. Whatever other unmentionables that happens out of their sight within our prison sims, they probably don't want to know about.

The message is getting out too. I've read reviews of SL were the reviewer expressed concern over the amount of griefing and reported that it was a real problem with SL and seemingly there's nobody to prevent it. Bad in two ways, one it will put the good people off coming here and two, it will attract the trouble makers.