First of all, I want to thank everyone who voted for my proposal.
A couple of things.
When I wrote the Proposal, I ment for everyone to be able to use P2P, not just the Elite.
I also ment for the whole system to be Free. No Tax, No Fee... FREE Totally.
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-22-2005 22:48
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
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11-22-2005 23:37
First of all, I want to thank everyone who voted for my proposal. A couple of things. When I wrote the Proposal, I ment for everyone to be able to use P2P, not just the Elite. I also ment for the whole system to be Free. No Tax, No Fee... FREE Totally. i am afraid this has grown larger than you my friend plus, I am all for an incentive to get people to upgrade more money in LL pockets = more lindens to deal with Sls problems (theoretically) i think P2P should be free for monthers, telehubs for lifers will make telehub land somewhat useful and reward those of us who pay more per month just my opinion (I didnt write a proposal or anything tho) _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Jesrad Seraph
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11-23-2005 00:18
Two models:
1) access is free as long as you provide your computer's CPU power and link bandwidth for the grid's usage. This is like the Web's model. 2) access and use of resources is paid in a common virtual money, which can be earnt by providing computing resources and bandwidth to the grid. _____________________
Either Man can enjoy universal freedom, or Man cannot. If it is possible then everyone can act freely if they don't stop anyone else from doing same. If it is not possible, then conflict will arise anyway so punch those that try to stop you. In conclusion the only strategy that wins in all cases is that of doing what you want against all adversity, as long as you respect that right in others.
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Dyne Talamasca
Noneuclidean Love Polygon
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11-23-2005 00:20
Two models: 1) access is free as long as you provide your computer's CPU power and link bandwidth for the grid's usage. This is like the Web's model. In what sense does that resemble the web? _____________________
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Ferran Brodsky
Better living through rum
Join date: 3 Feb 2004
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11-23-2005 01:06
P@P!!11
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Kami Harbinger
Transhuman Lifeform
Join date: 4 Oct 2005
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11-23-2005 02:02
First of all, I want to thank everyone who voted for my proposal. A couple of things. When I wrote the Proposal, I ment for everyone to be able to use P2P, not just the Elite. I also ment for the whole system to be Free. No Tax, No Fee... FREE Totally. What you meant and what the hundreds of voters and Linden Labs find useful may be very different things. Welcome to the wonderful world of things getting away from your control. Yes, for you it sucks to realize that you have no power. For everyone else it's rather amusing watching you scream and freak out about it. Schadenfreude is one of the greatest joys in the universe. Unrestricted P2P is going to spread commercial sites even further into residential areas, and take away walk-by traffic. The telehubs kept the malls reasonably centralized. I'm not at all pleased with this concept, but it's something I'll live with. At the very least, this provides an opportunity for LL to encourage people to upgrade their accounts. The more money in LL's hands, the more reliable SL's future is. Newbies are also the most likely to need a centralized shopping area, so the telehubs are an excellent idea for them. _____________________
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
Join date: 22 May 2005
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11-23-2005 02:11
For everyone else it's rather amusing watching you scream and freak out about it. Schadenfreude is one of the greatest joys in the universe. wow welcome to SL. you are new here and in the forums, but I can honestly say you have one of the largest egos I have seen in SL forums, and that is quite the accomplishment and before your small moon sized head gets any bigger, that is not a compliment -10 for horrible use of the word Schadenfreude methinks your "power word" of the day should be hubris the word humility is a good one too _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Eggy Lippmann
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11-23-2005 02:15
Ok I'm kinda lost here, where does it say that LL say whether it is planning on charging or not charging? If they didnt say anything what's all the drama about?
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
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11-23-2005 02:18
Ok I'm kinda lost here, where does it say that LL say whether it is planning on charging or not charging? If they didnt say anything what's all the drama about? no, nothing about charging mentioned yet, just people making suggestions, and Kimi trying to show off his vocab no official word on anything specific _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Moopf Murray
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11-23-2005 02:40
Ok I'm kinda lost here, where does it say that LL say whether it is planning on charging or not charging? If they didnt say anything what's all the drama about? It's just Magnum protecting his interests, that's all. All hail the god of feature suggestions (come on Eggy, make a Beta comment!) _____________________
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-23-2005 02:56
Ok I'm kinda lost here, where does it say that LL say whether it is planning on charging or not charging? If they didnt say anything what's all the drama about? http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=89 My proposal is acknowledged for development by Linden labs. |
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Hiro Queso
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11-23-2005 02:58
*bows*
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
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11-23-2005 03:10
http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=89 My proposal is acknowledged for development by Linden labs. Ah right, I understand now, you weren't specific in wanting it to be free, so this thread is a kind of "What I meant to say, was....." Actually though, just double-clicking on the map would be a pretty poor implementation. _____________________
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
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11-23-2005 03:20
i didn't know Magnum was FIC, and that he was "cackling with glee"!!!!!!!!
this changes everything! Where I was once thrilled with P2P, I find out now I am actually "brutally oppressed!" for shame  _____________________
I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.
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Huns Valen
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11-23-2005 04:40
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Maxx Monde
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11-23-2005 04:50
The only thing telehubs centralize is lag.
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Ghoti Nyak
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11-23-2005 05:52
Hmmm... I seem to be missing what the big deal is, in regard to them being 'free' or not. Did I miss a reference somewhere with LL listing prices for P2P?
If pay-for P2P is in fact the route being taken, then there must also exist a way for people with no $L to get around. Can't have people trapped on private islands because they lack the L$10 to teleport somewhere. If it means that people without funds get the option to TP to, like, only the Welcome Center or something free of charge, that would be a solution. I applaud LL taking a new look at P2P teleporting. I look forward to not being harrassed by telehub malls. -Ghoti _____________________
"Sometimes I believe that this less material life is our truer life, and that our vain presence on the terraqueous globe is itself the secondary or merely virtual phenomenon." ~ H.P. Lovecraft
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Alondria LeFay
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11-23-2005 06:06
$L-Sink. The masses were screaming out for one a few months ago. Why the opposition now? Keep telehub travel as is, in case your broke or just don't wanna pay, but allow the option of P2P as a L$ sink.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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Join date: 10 Aug 2004
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11-23-2005 06:54
One of the things I really enjoyed as a newb was exploring. That was about a year and a half ago, and oldbies, even at that point found the grid to be immense. And it was pretty big in the summer of 2004. But the grid has about quadrupled in size since then and it is very,very difficult to get around to visiting the sims that aren't near a telehub. Having to fly hundreds of meters, being bounced by security scripts, sent home, or worse, crashing because of security systems while trying to get to the spot I wanted to see made exploring not so fun, so I just stopped. Maybe now with P2P I'll be able to pick up one of my favourite sl pass times again.
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-23-2005 09:10
i didn't know Magnum was FIC, and that he was "cackling with glee"!!!!!!!! this changes everything! Where I was once thrilled with P2P, I find out now I am actually "brutally oppressed!" for shame He sounds very angery, Guess he is still mad at me for Banning him. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-23-2005 09:11
Hmmm... I seem to be missing what the big deal is, in regard to them being 'free' or not. Did I miss a reference somewhere with LL listing prices for P2P? If pay-for P2P is in fact the route being taken, then there must also exist a way for people with no $L to get around. Can't have people trapped on private islands because they lack the L$10 to teleport somewhere. If it means that people without funds get the option to TP to, like, only the Welcome Center or something free of charge, that would be a solution. I applaud LL taking a new look at P2P teleporting. I look forward to not being harrassed by telehub malls. -Ghoti I don't think you have, I am just reminding people that I intended the Point to Point teleport system to be free for all and useable by all Second Life Citizens, not just the elite. |
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Jarod Godel
Utilitarian
Join date: 6 Nov 2003
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11-23-2005 09:26
can i suck your dick, sir?
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Creami Cannoli
Please don't eat me....
Join date: 17 Jul 2005
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11-23-2005 10:40
Ok, not to bring that "Other" world into it, but they have a good P2P system. You start out with some places given to you by them that you can teleport directly to. Then you explore, or people teleport you to other places and you can save them as landmarks that you would then be able to teleport directly to.
I like that idea better than just click and go. They also have places on their maps that you CAN click and go directly to, but they have set the specific places. Something like this could be done here. Give land owners the tools to set a place that people can teleport into, or turn it off and people would end up just outside the boundary. Nothing wrong with that. Keep it free. I doubt that I will ever upgrade to premium since I won't buy land here. Why should I be punished for not wanting to be premium? I buy L's and spend them at the shops, yet I should be punished or considered a less worthy member of the community because I don't want to pay a monthly fee because I don't want to own land? I did say at one point yesterday, that I wouldn't care if they made it for premium accounts. Well, it's crap to separate and put more of a division between people. SOme of the older players do that well enough on their own that LL doesn't need to add more fuel to THAT particular fire. KEEP IT FREE! |
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Kim Anubis
The Magician
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11-23-2005 10:47
Yes, for you it sucks to realize that you have no power. For everyone else it's rather amusing watching you scream and freak out about it. I hate to imagine what happened to you. Get well soon. _____________________
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Cory Edo
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11-23-2005 11:46
What you meant and what the hundreds of voters and Linden Labs find useful may be very different things. Welcome to the wonderful world of things getting away from your control. Yes, for you it sucks to realize that you have no power. For everyone else it's rather amusing watching you scream and freak out about it. Schadenfreude is one of the greatest joys in the universe.  You're funny in a I'm-too-old-to-be-laughing-at-you-but-its-so-hard-not-to kind of way. _____________________
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