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Lasivian Leandros

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12-13-2005 07:27

Now I admit I was not in-world back in the taxed-to-death days, but I think if self-replications had some form of a tax applied to them it would stop alot of this griefing.

Most objects that use llRezObject do it for one item, sometimes that object spawns a third, but what if we could lay a tax on the 4th/5th/etc? Say make it progressively larger as items replicated, 1,5,10,20,40,80,100 So that "useful" replication wouldn't be too hampered (I admit i've used replication for artistic purposes, but at a max of like 7-8 replications, each one turning itself a little bit to form an arc, etc.), but hundreds of items would be horribly cost prohibitive.

And just have it check that you had enough Lindens to cover the cost, but not actually deduct them from your account. (I'll bet most of the heavy griefing is done with basic accounts)

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Hank Ramos

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12-13-2005 07:48

No

Annah Zamboni

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12-13-2005 07:49

Yes, no.

Karsten Rutledge

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12-13-2005 07:55

Eh, no, not really. I don't want to be charged 1000L to use a shapemaker. Thanks, but no thanks.

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12-13-2005 07:59

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Kane Kent

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12-13-2005 07:59

From: Lasivian Leandros

Now I admit I was not in-world back in the taxed-to-death days, but I think if self-replications had some form of a tax applied to them it would stop alot of this griefing.

Most objects that use llRezObject do it for one item, sometimes that object spawns a third, but what if we could lay a tax on the 4th/5th/etc? Say make it progressively larger as items replicated, 1,5,10,20,40,80,100 So that "useful" replication wouldn't be too hampered (I admit i've used replication for artistic purposes, but at a max of like 7-8 replications, each one turning itself a little bit to form an arc, etc.), but hundreds of items would be horribly cost prohibitive.

And just have it check that you had enough Lindens to cover the cost, but not actually deduct them from your account. (I'll bet most of the heavy griefing is done with basic accounts)

if comes out of your pocket.

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Margaret Mfume

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12-13-2005 08:02

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Lecktor Hannibal

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12-13-2005 08:28

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Zuleica Sartre

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12-13-2005 08:55

No.

One 'little' tax'here.

Then tomorrow another 'little' tax.

Eventually there will be 'little' taxes for everything.

Show me a society that taxes that doesn't have a history of escalating taxes and ever increasing volumous tax laws.

And I really REALLY don't think the cost of US$10 is going to stop griefers that think they can bring down the grid. Think about it...US$10 is NOTHING for the entertainment value they probably get out of this. If the threat of criminal prosecution isn't going to thwart them then paying US$10 sure isn't. Jeesh people, basic accounts are not the problem...CRIMINALS are the problem.

Panther Farber

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12-13-2005 08:58

OMG this is a slippery slope to hell. First we tax self-replicating objects and next thing you know we have people marrying goats.

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Lewis Nerd

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12-13-2005 09:04

Every option like this, a workround will be found.

Although most griefers are just dumb, some are clever enough to be able to figure out ways round pretty much most of the restrictions that are put in place.

And, of course, as always happens, innocent people will be affected. I'm thinking of the "overwork penalty" that TSO started to slow down the use of bots to automate moneymaking - which didn't have much effect, except irritate fast players who were able to play at an above average speed, and lost out money through no fault of their own.

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Jessica Elytis

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12-13-2005 09:21

From: Panther Farber

OMG this is a slippery slope to hell. First we tax self-replicating objects and next thing you know we have people marrying goats.

The goat marrages already happen. You just need to be in the right (wrong?) sim to see them LOL

As for the tax; HECK NO!!!

I don't even think uploads should be taxed as each one of them enriches SL as a whole. Some call things like this "money sinks" to deal with the stipends handed out. IMO, LL has a big enough "money sink" in tier, and with premium accounts. And no, I'm not saying that that the upload fees should be removed. The system is working and if things aren't broke don't fix them.

Wanting to hit the griefers in the pocket is a communial ideal. We all hate griefers. Even other griefers hate griefers. LOL The ideal behind this "tax" is comendable, but, as it would impact the global (SL global that is) economy, it is not something that can be looked at as a part, but needs to be considered in the whole.

I'm sure things like this are under consideration. As well as taxing everytime someone alters apearance, or rezzes any object, or logs in, or TPs, or a million other things.

Personally, after my, short, time in SL, I believe that LL should consider harsher measures agaisnt griefers. Again, how to do that is a VERY complicated issue, so I am content (for now) to sit and wait. Banning them is easy to call for, but LL looks at the overall inpact on the world.

It is theirs after all. We just live here *Grins*

We do have a voice. The residents of SL are what makes the world. It is the MAJORITY voice that LL hears though. Single persons chiming in don't do a thing if they are alone. A thousand silent supporters go unheard.

What something done? Come up with a VIABLE solution/concept that is as far outlooking as can be defined. Then get as many people together on the subject. Then send the idea EN MASSE to LL from everyone at the same time.

This is not to spam LL (though I'm sure they get that), but to show them how many are behind it, and how seriously they consider thier ideal.

*gets down of soap box*

Sorry for that *Grins*

~Jessy

Panther Farber

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Join date: 11 Mar 2004

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12-13-2005 09:56

I have a sure fire way to stop these greifers. We get their addresses and have everyone on SL who lives near them show up at their house and kid them in the nuts. Not just once. Every person who lives near should line up and kick these guys one after the other. Gotta give them some time to recover between kicks though.

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David Golding

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12-13-2005 10:03

I am certain that such a tax would only burden actual residents and not the jokers that start a disposable account for the purpose of attacking the grid.

Tax on self-replicating objects?
Lasivian Leandros Hopelessly Obsessed Join date: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 238	12-13-2005 07:27 Now I admit I was not in-world back in the taxed-to-death days, but I think if self-replications had some form of a tax applied to them it would stop alot of this griefing. Most objects that use llRezObject do it for one item, sometimes that object spawns a third, but what if we could lay a tax on the 4th/5th/etc? Say make it progressively larger as items replicated, 1,5,10,20,40,80,100 So that "useful" replication wouldn't be too hampered (I admit i've used replication for artistic purposes, but at a max of like 7-8 replications, each one turning itself a little bit to form an arc, etc.), but hundreds of items would be horribly cost prohibitive. And just have it check that you had enough Lindens to cover the cost, but not actually deduct them from your account. (I'll bet most of the heavy griefing is done with basic accounts) _____________________ From: someone "SL is getting to be like a beat up old car with a faulty engine which keeps getting a nice fresh layer of paint added on, while the engine continues to be completely unreliable." - Kex Godel
Hank Ramos Lifetime Scripter Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 2,328	12-13-2005 07:48 No
Annah Zamboni Banannah Annah Join date: 2 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,022	12-13-2005 07:49 Yes, no.
Karsten Rutledge Linux User Join date: 8 Feb 2005 Posts: 841	12-13-2005 07:55 Eh, no, not really. I don't want to be charged 1000L to use a shapemaker. Thanks, but no thanks. _____________________ New products, updates, rants, randomness. Addictive high-quality games for sale: Greedy Greedy, On-A-Roll, Mancala and the newly released Khet laser strategy game.
Taco Rubio also quite creepy Join date: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 3,349	12-13-2005 07:59 . _____________________ From: Torley Linden We can't be clear enough, ever, in our communication.
Kane Kent Registered User Join date: 2 Jan 2005 Posts: 185	12-13-2005 07:59 From: Lasivian Leandros Now I admit I was not in-world back in the taxed-to-death days, but I think if self-replications had some form of a tax applied to them it would stop alot of this griefing. Most objects that use llRezObject do it for one item, sometimes that object spawns a third, but what if we could lay a tax on the 4th/5th/etc? Say make it progressively larger as items replicated, 1,5,10,20,40,80,100 So that "useful" replication wouldn't be too hampered (I admit i've used replication for artistic purposes, but at a max of like 7-8 replications, each one turning itself a little bit to form an arc, etc.), but hundreds of items would be horribly cost prohibitive. And just have it check that you had enough Lindens to cover the cost, but not actually deduct them from your account. (I'll bet most of the heavy griefing is done with basic accounts) if comes out of your pocket. _____________________ Barrie, Ontario, Canada! Check Out my Blog! http://kanehart.com Make Comments
Margaret Mfume I.C. Join date: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 2,492	12-13-2005 08:02 nyet _____________________ hush
Lecktor Hannibal YOUR MOM Join date: 1 Jul 2004 Posts: 6,734	12-13-2005 08:28 nein _____________________ YOUR MOM says, 'Come visit us at SC MKII http://secondcitizen.net ' From: Khamon Fate Oh, Lecktor, you're terrible. Bikers have more fun than people !
Zuleica Sartre Registered User Join date: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 105	12-13-2005 08:55 No. One 'little' tax'here. Then tomorrow another 'little' tax. Eventually there will be 'little' taxes for everything. Show me a society that taxes that doesn't have a history of escalating taxes and ever increasing volumous tax laws. And I really REALLY don't think the cost of US$10 is going to stop griefers that think they can bring down the grid. Think about it...US$10 is NOTHING for the entertainment value they probably get out of this. If the threat of criminal prosecution isn't going to thwart them then paying US$10 sure isn't. Jeesh people, basic accounts are not the problem...CRIMINALS are the problem.
Panther Farber The rainbow colored furry Join date: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 119	12-13-2005 08:58 OMG this is a slippery slope to hell. First we tax self-replicating objects and next thing you know we have people marrying goats. _____________________ Meow
Lewis Nerd Nerd by name and nature! Join date: 9 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,431	12-13-2005 09:04 Every option like this, a workround will be found. Although most griefers are just dumb, some are clever enough to be able to figure out ways round pretty much most of the restrictions that are put in place. And, of course, as always happens, innocent people will be affected. I'm thinking of the "overwork penalty" that TSO started to slow down the use of bots to automate moneymaking - which didn't have much effect, except irritate fast players who were able to play at an above average speed, and lost out money through no fault of their own. Lewis - The Nerd Emporium, cheap low cost furniture - Disco Inferno, 70's themed discotheque, putting the fun back in funky _____________________ Second Life Stratics - your new premier resource for all things Second Life. Free to join, sign up today! Pocket Protector Projects - Rosieri 90,234,84 - building and landscaping services
Jessica Elytis Goddess Join date: 7 Oct 2005 Posts: 1,783	12-13-2005 09:21 From: Panther Farber OMG this is a slippery slope to hell. First we tax self-replicating objects and next thing you know we have people marrying goats. The goat marrages already happen. You just need to be in the right (wrong?) sim to see them LOL As for the tax; HECK NO!!! I don't even think uploads should be taxed as each one of them enriches SL as a whole. Some call things like this "money sinks" to deal with the stipends handed out. IMO, LL has a big enough "money sink" in tier, and with premium accounts. And no, I'm not saying that that the upload fees should be removed. The system is working and if things aren't broke don't fix them. Wanting to hit the griefers in the pocket is a communial ideal. We all hate griefers. Even other griefers hate griefers. LOL The ideal behind this "tax" is comendable, but, as it would impact the global (SL global that is) economy, it is not something that can be looked at as a part, but needs to be considered in the whole. I'm sure things like this are under consideration. As well as taxing everytime someone alters apearance, or rezzes any object, or logs in, or TPs, or a million other things. Personally, after my, short, time in SL, I believe that LL should consider harsher measures agaisnt griefers. Again, how to do that is a VERY complicated issue, so I am content (for now) to sit and wait. Banning them is easy to call for, but LL looks at the overall inpact on the world. It is theirs after all. We just live here Grins We do have a voice. The residents of SL are what makes the world. It is the MAJORITY voice that LL hears though. Single persons chiming in don't do a thing if they are alone. A thousand silent supporters go unheard. What something done? Come up with a VIABLE solution/concept that is as far outlooking as can be defined. Then get as many people together on the subject. Then send the idea EN MASSE to LL from everyone at the same time. This is not to spam LL (though I'm sure they get that), but to show them how many are behind it, and how seriously they consider thier ideal. gets down of soap box Sorry for that Grins ~Jessy
Panther Farber The rainbow colored furry Join date: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 119	12-13-2005 09:56 I have a sure fire way to stop these greifers. We get their addresses and have everyone on SL who lives near them show up at their house and kid them in the nuts. Not just once. Every person who lives near should line up and kick these guys one after the other. Gotta give them some time to recover between kicks though. _____________________ Meow
David Golding SL Innovator Join date: 2 Nov 2005 Posts: 30	12-13-2005 10:03 I am certain that such a tax would only burden actual residents and not the jokers that start a disposable account for the purpose of attacking the grid.

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