Second Life Forums Archive - Shiny + Transparent??

Juro Kothari

Like a dog on a bone

Join date: 4 Sep 2003

Posts: 4,418

05-24-2006 21:03

Am I missing something or was that removed?

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Simon Nolan

I can has ur primz?

Join date: 28 Mar 2006

Posts: 157

05-24-2006 21:19

I think they've always been mutually exclusive. Couldn't do it 1.9 anyhow.

Jauani Wu

pancake rabbit

Join date: 7 Apr 2003

Posts: 3,835

05-24-2006 21:27

you had to enable avatar vertex program in preview. but the consequences for the av can be scary!

thanks snapzilla!

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Delta Czukor

Registered User

Join date: 30 Dec 2004

Posts: 53

05-24-2006 21:28

Shiny+transparent was possible in the early 1.9.1 preview builds, but I think it had to be removed in later builds. A shame, 'cause it looked really nice.

This pretty much had to do with the decision LL made a few weeks back where they had to remove/scale down a few shaders for driver compatibility reasons.

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Starax Statosky

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Join date: 23 Dec 2003

Posts: 1,099

05-24-2006 21:35

Yep, it's been stolen. Also, somebody stole the slight specular effect that was cast upon prims in Preview. Remember shadows? Yep, that's right. stolen!!!

Thankfully, the thieves didn't get manage to get away with lights. That would've cast a large shadow across my SL. Well, it would have if the shadows hadn't have been stolen too!!

Juro Kothari

Like a dog on a bone

Join date: 4 Sep 2003

Posts: 4,418

05-24-2006 22:30

Damn. I saw it in the early preview - and it looked great. That was one of my favorite enhancements. Now, I'll have to settle for wiggly hoochie hair. Lovely.

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Lora Morgan

Puts the "eek" in "geek"

Join date: 19 Mar 2004

Posts: 779

05-25-2006 05:33

Ingrid Ingersoll

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Join date: 10 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,601

05-25-2006 05:59

why no shiny transparent? why?

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Fade Languish

I just build stuff...

Join date: 20 Oct 2005

Posts: 1,760

05-25-2006 06:08

Ohh! I was really hoping for shiny + transparent... windows!!!! shiny ones!

I was hoping to be able to log on even more though... let me in I miss my girl

and I want to build!

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nimrod Yaffle

Cavemen are people too...

Join date: 15 Nov 2004

Posts: 3,146

05-25-2006 06:10

Also, in the preview, you could look across the ocean and see other islands. I remember when I was on the island, I looked out, and saw the mainland. I was amazed, I'm sad that didn't carry over. But c'mon, we got flexyness now!!

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Burke Prefect

Cafe Owner, Superhero

Join date: 29 Oct 2004

Posts: 2,785

05-25-2006 07:24

Small steps, kiddies, small steps.

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Corra Nacunda Chieftain

Join date: 24 Jul 2004

Posts: 1,533

05-25-2006 07:32

From: Jauani Wu

you had to enable avatar vertex program in preview. but the consequences for the av can be scary!

thanks snapzilla!

Kekekeke, he looks like a Road Warrior extra. Or something from some 40's era sci-fi show. WU SMASH! NOTHING CAN STOP WU!

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Michi Lumin

Sharp and Pointy

Join date: 14 Oct 2003

Posts: 1,793

05-25-2006 09:40

Yes, 1.9.1 (now 1.10) did have shiny+transparent for a while. Until 1.10.0.24 I believe.

It was removed.

Other things that were removed: Shadows, most vertex shaders, the "lustrous radiance" Torley speaks of in the release notes (shading on flat objects, basically) - and specularity in addition to just a cube map on shiny. (Basically you could see the sun in the reflection of something shiny.)

All of these were removed right before release.

A lot of this has to do with the fact, actually, that they broke Intel Extreme graphics... (even though they're not supported), and from what I understand, some very old graphics chipsets. (GF2 MX200 et al). -- and they didn't work on Mac.

Chances are we won't see these again until the general population en-masse decides to upgrade their "was $25 in 1999" video cards. The mac part I can understand, though that may change as things shift to intel macs.

But SL has more users of old hardware than do many other online 'games'. So it's tough to deliver on this stuff for LL.

I guarantee you that if they went forward with shiny+transparent, we'd have more people complaining about it than who wanted it.

There are already people bitching and moaning over the hardware lighting that DID make it in.

Shiny + Transparent??
Juro Kothari Like a dog on a bone Join date: 4 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,418	05-24-2006 21:03 Am I missing something or was that removed? _____________________
Simon Nolan I can has ur primz? Join date: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 157	05-24-2006 21:19 I think they've always been mutually exclusive. Couldn't do it 1.9 anyhow.
Jauani Wu pancake rabbit Join date: 7 Apr 2003 Posts: 3,835	05-24-2006 21:27 you had to enable avatar vertex program in preview. but the consequences for the av can be scary! thanks snapzilla! _____________________ http://wu-had.blogspot.com/ read my blog Mecha Jauani Wu hero of justice __________________________________________________ "Oh Jauani, you're terrible." - khamon fate
Delta Czukor Registered User Join date: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 53	05-24-2006 21:28 Shiny+transparent was possible in the early 1.9.1 preview builds, but I think it had to be removed in later builds. A shame, 'cause it looked really nice. This pretty much had to do with the decision LL made a few weeks back where they had to remove/scale down a few shaders for driver compatibility reasons. _____________________
Starax Statosky Unregistered User Join date: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,099	05-24-2006 21:35 Yep, it's been stolen. Also, somebody stole the slight specular effect that was cast upon prims in Preview. Remember shadows? Yep, that's right. stolen!!! Thankfully, the thieves didn't get manage to get away with lights. That would've cast a large shadow across my SL. Well, it would have if the shadows hadn't have been stolen too!!
Juro Kothari Like a dog on a bone Join date: 4 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,418	05-24-2006 22:30 Damn. I saw it in the early preview - and it looked great. That was one of my favorite enhancements. Now, I'll have to settle for wiggly hoochie hair. Lovely. _____________________
Lora Morgan Puts the "eek" in "geek" Join date: 19 Mar 2004 Posts: 779	05-25-2006 05:33
Ingrid Ingersoll Archived Join date: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,601	05-25-2006 05:59 why no shiny transparent? why? _____________________ http://www.ingrid.0catch.com/1.html
Fade Languish I just build stuff... Join date: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 1,760	05-25-2006 06:08 Ohh! I was really hoping for shiny + transparent... windows!!!! shiny ones! I was hoping to be able to log on even more though... let me in I miss my girl and I want to build! _____________________
nimrod Yaffle Cavemen are people too... Join date: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 3,146	05-25-2006 06:10 Also, in the preview, you could look across the ocean and see other islands. I remember when I was on the island, I looked out, and saw the mainland. I was amazed, I'm sad that didn't carry over. But c'mon, we got flexyness now!! _____________________ "People can cry much easier than they can change." -James Baldwin
Burke Prefect Cafe Owner, Superhero Join date: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 2,785	05-25-2006 07:24 Small steps, kiddies, small steps. _____________________ My Blog \| My Board \| My Cafe\| My Slex
Psyra Extraordinaire Corra Nacunda Chieftain Join date: 24 Jul 2004 Posts: 1,533	05-25-2006 07:32 From: Jauani Wu you had to enable avatar vertex program in preview. but the consequences for the av can be scary! thanks snapzilla! Kekekeke, he looks like a Road Warrior extra. Or something from some 40's era sci-fi show. WU SMASH! NOTHING CAN STOP WU! _____________________ E-Mail Psyra at psyralbakor_at_yahoo_dot_com, Visit my Webpage at www.psyra.ca Visit me in-world at the Avaria sims, in Grendel's Children! ^^
Michi Lumin Sharp and Pointy Join date: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 1,793	05-25-2006 09:40 Yes, 1.9.1 (now 1.10) did have shiny+transparent for a while. Until 1.10.0.24 I believe. It was removed. Other things that were removed: Shadows, most vertex shaders, the "lustrous radiance" Torley speaks of in the release notes (shading on flat objects, basically) - and specularity in addition to just a cube map on shiny. (Basically you could see the sun in the reflection of something shiny.) All of these were removed right before release. A lot of this has to do with the fact, actually, that they broke Intel Extreme graphics... (even though they're not supported), and from what I understand, some very old graphics chipsets. (GF2 MX200 et al). -- and they didn't work on Mac. Chances are we won't see these again until the general population en-masse decides to upgrade their "was $25 in 1999" video cards. The mac part I can understand, though that may change as things shift to intel macs. But SL has more users of old hardware than do many other online 'games'. So it's tough to deliver on this stuff for LL. I guarantee you that if they went forward with shiny+transparent, we'd have more people complaining about it than who wanted it. There are already people bitching and moaning over the hardware lighting that DID make it in.

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