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Andrew Kipling
Headless Chook
Join date: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 22
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11-21-2005 16:12
Geez how many is that in the last couple of weeks? I appreciate they need to improve all the time but too much of a good thing? the Lindens might become their own worst enemies if they over tinker.
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Lordfly Digeridoo
Prim Orchestrator
Join date: 21 Jul 2003
Posts: 3,628
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11-21-2005 16:18
Geez how many is that in the last couple of weeks? I appreciate they need to improve all the time but too much of a good thing? the Lindens might become their own worst enemies if they over tinker. They've switched to a new versioning system. Expect patches every 2 weeks or so, if not more. LF _____________________
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Laukosargas Svarog
Angel ?
Join date: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,304
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11-21-2005 16:19
I really don't understand the problem ? People moan when there's no patch and moan again when there is. duh ? Me, I'm grateful to get bug fixes even if they come one at a time.
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Satchmo Prototype
eSheep
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,323
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11-21-2005 16:21
Bug fixes are not over tinkering...
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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11-21-2005 19:56
They need to rollout without having to update everything. It's really not that hard.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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11-21-2005 20:07
They need to rollout without having to update everything. It's really not that hard. It's also really not that hard to download a 20 mb client and install it. We all have broadband connections, it is not that unreasonable. I would rather they focus their energies on fixing problems, and not at developing a patching system to create even more versioning nightmares for themselves. _____________________
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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11-21-2005 20:12
They need to rollout without having to update everything. It's really not that hard. That's tellin' 'em, champ! You got 'em right there. While they're at it, they need to make everything faster so everything loads instantly. Lord knows how, that's their damn problem to solve, isn't it? Go get 'em, tiger! |
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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11-21-2005 20:15
It's also really not that hard to download a 20 mb client and install it. We all have broadband connections, it is not that unreasonable. I would rather they focus their energies on fixing problems, and not at developing a patching system to create even more versioning nightmares for themselves. Well.. the 5 hour downtimes will get a bit old if they're happening every two weeks. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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11-21-2005 20:20
Well.. the 5 hour downtimes will get a bit old if they're happening every two weeks. Their server updates are a far more complex issue than client updates - as you see, they rolled out another client update today with no server update. What would you do differently about their update process? They have had rolling server updates as well which have not taken the grid offline. I imagine they use whatever method is necessary for the complexity of the code update. As far as down time, we have become incredibly spoiled. World of Warcraft has scheduled maintenance time every week, as do other online games. On one had people bitch that SL is not being updated fast enough, then they bitch about the updates. It's a lose-lose situation. _____________________
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
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11-21-2005 20:23
Their server updates are a far more complex issue than client updates - as you see, they rolled out another client update today with no server update. What would you do differently about their update process? They have had rolling server updates as well which have not taken the grid offline. I imagine they use whatever method is necessary for the complexity of the code update. Duh, Cris... they should be done instantly, soaked up by osmossis! Geeze. I would tell them exactly how, but it's my ALT that knows all that. I'm just a retarded patsy. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
Forums Rock!
Join date: 22 Dec 2003
Posts: 14,229
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11-21-2005 20:27
We need another update, the sit positon bug is pretty silly to be having after 3 years of practice.
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Hank Ramos
Lifetime Scripter
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,328
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11-22-2005 02:40
SL Update?
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Bond Harrington
Kills Threads At 500yds
Join date: 15 May 2005
Posts: 198
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11-22-2005 02:56
As far as down time, we have become incredibly spoiled. World of Warcraft has scheduled maintenance time every week, as do other online games. On one had people bitch that SL is not being updated fast enough, then they bitch about the updates. It's a lose-lose situation. As long as the entire client is small enough to be DLed in five minutes, I have no problems with updates being every week or so. In other MMO games, it'll take a couple of hours to DL a 300MB patch, let alone the client, even on broadband. SL is lucky it doesn't have bloat like that. |
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
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11-22-2005 03:03
There is history...
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Beau Perkins
Second Life Resident.
Join date: 25 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,061
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11-22-2005 06:40
Yeah wtf, another download. Theres a WHOLE 3.3 minutes of my life I will never get back.
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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11-22-2005 07:32
Their server updates are a far more complex issue than client updates - as you see, they rolled out another client update today with no server update. What would you do differently about their update process? They have had rolling server updates as well which have not taken the grid offline. I imagine they use whatever method is necessary for the complexity of the code update. As far as down time, we have become incredibly spoiled. World of Warcraft has scheduled maintenance time every week, as do other online games. On one had people bitch that SL is not being updated fast enough, then they bitch about the updates. It's a lose-lose situation. One of the reasons they have not done release early / release often is because their update process is so painful. I think if they can learn how to do soft rollouts, they'll find a whole new world of releases open up to them. They'll be releases that a) happen very often b) don't disrupt c) ramp up their testing so problems are caught by smaller sets of people rather than globally _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
Posts: 3,751
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11-22-2005 08:09
Yeah wtf, another download. Theres a WHOLE 3.3 minutes of my life I will never get back. More like FIVE... gaw you gotta install it too. _____________________
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