I think the lindens should move any topic that is promoting a Political Agenda, like the so-called Anti-Camping Chair movement etc to either the Off-topic or General topic section.
The Hotline should be used for true issues, not Political Agenda.
My 2 cents worth.
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Magnum Serpentine
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11-28-2005 04:41
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Cid Jacobs
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11-28-2005 05:09
"You've discussed it in the forums. You've proposed it in the voting system. You've reported your bug, talked to Liaisons and Live Help, and emailed support. Still have a question or an idea for Linden feedback? Then post it here!"
Looks like it belongs there to me, well as much as any other issue at least. _____________________
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Moopf Murray
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11-28-2005 05:17
Oh dear, the village idiot is off again *sigh*
So, most holier-than-thou, if the anti-camping chair movement is political then that makes this political as well: /invalid_link.html Oh, and whilst I'm at it, so are these: /invalid_link.html /invalid_link.html I'll give all posters one guess who started those threads in the Hotline. Can you not see how ill-concieved your complaint is yet again? It's tedious to the extreme.  _____________________
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Enabran Templar
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11-28-2005 07:29
Now, then, Moopf, let's not be impatient with Magnum. His ego is understandably billowing before the winds of having his little (obvious) proposal accepted.
I reckon we'll have to deal with particularly bellicose ignorance until the Lindens implement P2P teleporting in a way that entirely contravenes his original intentions. He'll remain surly at that stage, but I should imagine more subdued as well. |
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Yumi Murakami
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11-28-2005 07:45
Well, I just read the Linden Hotline post which suggested that LL should run their own camping chairs and laughed out loud for at least 2 minutes.
Yea. They'd increase their dwell payments a lot! Might even pay off their tier!  |
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Moopf Murray
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11-28-2005 07:47
Now, then, Moopf, let's not be impatient with Magnum. His ego is understandably billowing before the winds of having his little (obvious) proposal accepted. I reckon we'll have to deal with particularly bellicose ignorance until the Lindens implement P2P teleporting in a way that entirely contravenes his original intentions. He'll remain surly at that stage, but I should imagine more subdued as well. I wouldn't mind, but just lately the barrage of utter garbage being translated from brain to keyboard by Magnum is getting ridiculous. I'm not sure what planet Magnum is on, or which reality Magnum inhabits, but it isn't the Earth and it isn't real life. I mean Magnum's never made much sense at all, but recently the content has become unhinged and of amoeboid intelligence. _____________________
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Enabran Templar
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11-28-2005 07:52
I wouldn't mind, but just lately the barrage of utter garbage being translated from brain to keyboard by Magnum is getting ridiculous. I'm not sure what planet Magnum is on, or which reality Magnum inhabits, but it isn't the Earth and it isn't real life. I mean Magnum's never made much sense at all, but recently the content has become unhinged and of amoeboid intelligence. Affirmative. To answer your question, I believe the planet to which you are referring is called Gor or some such. |
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Kris Ritter
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11-28-2005 07:56
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Lucifer Baphomet
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11-28-2005 08:00
Surely Magnum, in the interests of your agenda, you should have posted this on the Hotline to Linden?
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Kim Anubis
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11-28-2005 09:03
I really have a problem with posts that personally attack someone who has posted something that isn't malicious and who hasn't indicated he's one of the folks around here who enjoys slapfighting on the forums. If you want to call someone names or do some forumriffic Jell-o wrestling, pick a like-minded playmate. If y'all think he's really so clueless, why the holy hell are you picking on him?
Anyway . . . Magnum, I disagree. I think it's appropriate for people to post in Hotline to ask for the Linden views re camping chairs. For what it's worth, I don't sit in camping chairs, but I don't think they're some horrible blight that should be stamped out. It's no skin off my nose if people want to make camping chairs a part of their SL . . . or if they like Tringo, Slingo, clubs, bling, Best Av in Blue. It's also their world and their imagination -- and their hobby and time. I figure there are a lot of people who'd find my spending hours of my holiday weekend building a 54-prim tree a lot more puzzling than I find camping chairs. Whenever I see posts attacking camping chairs and Slingo and boxy clubs that aren't built to professional standards (or when I find myself gaping at an "ugly" build), I start wondering where the line is between aesthetics and snobbiness. It's really hard to tell, and anyway I'm more concerned about the line between social analysis and hurting people's feelings. So, you know, if anyone reading this got the uncomfortable feeling I meant their Slingo or box club is not aesthetically appealing, or that their view on that sort of event or build is snobby, I'm sorry, that wasn't my intent; it was just social analysis. We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum dustup. _____________________
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stpaulsub Clio
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11-28-2005 09:10
I really have a problem with posts that personally attack someone who has posted something that isn't malicious and who hasn't indicated he's one of the folks around here who enjoys slapfighting on the forums. If you want to call someone names or do some forumriffic Jell-o wrestling, pick a like-minded playmate. If y'all think he's really so clueless, why the holy hell are you picking on him? . YAY! thank you Kim you have put into words far better than i can the very thoughts i have been haveing lately ..the Forums are becoming ...so uncivil it is very sad...lol oh well..again great post! _____________________
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Enabran Templar
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11-28-2005 09:10
I really have a problem with posts that personally attack someone who has posted something that isn't malicious and who hasn't indicated he's one of the folks around here who enjoys slapfighting on the forums. If you want to call someone names or do some forumriffic Jell-o wrestling, pick a like-minded playmate. If y'all think he's really so clueless, why the holy hell are you picking on him? Being reasonable with Magnum doesn't work: /108/40/62023/1.html Enjoy!  |
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Kim Anubis
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11-28-2005 09:15
Then why bother, Enabran?
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Lianne Marten
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11-28-2005 09:18
Response #2 to him in that thread... Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. This is easily your best work yet. Whoo. Damn, hold on, catching my breath... Quite reasonable indeed. _____________________
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Moopf Murray
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11-28-2005 09:34
I stand by my comments, and my view of this poster, which has been built up over the many months their knee-jerk, self-absorbed, poorly constructed and ill thought out reactionary tripe has been placed on this forum. Dig around, you'll find it everywhere, and you'll also no doubt find the off-hand nature with which the original poster also deals with people who disagree.
Life takes all sorts and I'm really quite unconcerned that anybody should feel that that view point is out of place but, as it happens, I think the views of such posters need to be publicly dismissed and their continual lack of anything solid highlighted. _____________________
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Enabran Templar
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11-28-2005 09:34
Quite reasonable indeed. Oh, not me. I've quite given up. The entertainment factor is indisputable, however. No, no, I refer to this: Engineering fact: Preview Grid, currently runs on the cluster of computers known as "Siva" collectively, a total of roughly 40 computers by my exploration, this cluster has it's own asset server, database server, and simulation servers. Main Grid, currently runs on a cluster of computers known as "Agni" collectively, a total of roughly 900-1000 computers by my exploration, this cluster has it's own asset server, database server, and simuation servers. These clusters have minimum interaction, the Agni asset server is asked by the Siva asset server to start streaming inventory to a backup routine that doesn't impede the asset server's normal operations, while making a normal request for the assets imediately desired by Siva (avatar, attachments) this is a one-time function of Siva for import of your user to allow you to have your inventory ready for testing. The simulator your event was in, likely had a large number of avatars connected to it. This means there are up to 20 people (main grid sim limit) requesting information from the simulator, which caches data locally, in a squid proxy, this squid proxy requests data from the Agni asset server, as a high importance request, if that data's not cached locally. The simulator yoru event was in, likely also had a lot of scripted objects, which cause a varying degree of lag per script, these scripts aren't all bad, some don't do anything, but ones that are running due to certain events (say a sensor seeing someone in it's range, a listener parsing conversation, a timer that's running at a very high rate of speed) cause the simulator to have to think about what the script wants in place of giving users data about what their client should be seeing. Additionally, avatars are a high poly object, as are some primitives (1 or more degrees twist to a torus makes it easilly the highest poly object in SL) and a modern graphics card can only handle a finite number of polygons. SL however lacks some of the pre-render optimizations for light traces and object intersections of other games, because there is no map compilation process for the SL world, as such, there are more polygons than would normally be visible in say... Half Life 2 or simular. The preview grid, runs on Class 3 machines, these where standard machines 1 year ago, and are currently considered too old for main grid applications, single processor single simulator, 1 Gigabyte of memory. The main grid, runs on Class 1 machines, these are the newest top of the line models and have 1 Gigabyte of memory and a dedicated Athalon 64 processor processor per sim, 2 sims total per box. Preview Grid, does not affect Main Grid performance, as each region square on a map is a dedicated processor in what is often called a cluster computer network. (though it should be mentioend that void sims are multiples on Class 2 machines, but do not have objects in them to reduce load) Both Preview and Main Grid have their own asset systems, and preview is set up not to overload main grid's asset server. Of all the functions that are bad for performance client side: particles, and texture or color changing are among the worse, constantly changing settext is a close second. This has been your technical clarification by the kitsu, thank you. To which our star responds: Let me repeat 1. Have had events in this area before, The Amount of Lag encountered was nowhere near the lag of last night. No where near. 2. Have had no problems with lag until the preview worlds came on line. none 3. No scripted objects in event area. none. next? As though this quite refutes Ice's quite excellent explanation. See my point yet? |
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Enabran Templar
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11-28-2005 09:34
Then why bother, Enabran? 'Cause it's funny to watch. |
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Kim Anubis
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11-28-2005 09:37
Moopf, that sounds really dignified next to "village idiot."
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Enabran Templar
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11-28-2005 09:42
Moopf, that sounds really dignified next to "village idiot." Enabran, I give you a point at least for being honest. I make no claims to saintliness. I come to the forums for information but I stay for the entertainment. Anyway, don't stick up for Magnum. His solution to everything is to give everyone more money, and then everyone can be rich and happy. I understand your stance on ideological grounds of fairness and decency, but sometimes, my esteemed colleague in capitalism, there are those who forfeit their rights to both. |
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Moopf Murray
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11-28-2005 09:48
Moopf, that sounds really dignified next to "village idiot." Enabran, I give you a point at least for being honest. Sorry you don't like my choice of words, but as an example of how this poster behaves, please see the first response on this thread: /108/5d/73375/1.html You see, when people put points across intelligently and actually discuss things, interesting results come out. When people circumvent all logic, on a continual basis, and treat the opposing view with total contempt, then I'll call it because it really gets my goat You'll find plenty more examples spanning a very long period of time, but that one above kind of neatly explains why I've lost patience with this poster. _____________________
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Kim Anubis
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11-28-2005 09:59
Enabran, I'm aware that Magnum has posted some schemes that make no sense at all. I usually disagree with what he posts. Attacks on his suggestions are a-okay, and I'd be happy to give those a kick or two myself. But I feel attacks on his person are something else. Anyway, I've said what I have to say on this. I'll send you some cigars when I get inworld.
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Kim Anubis
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11-28-2005 10:13
Moopf, illogic is frustrating as hell, I agree. Personally, it drives me apeshit. It's one thing when one poster loses it and starts raving like Ren ( http://sounds.wavcentral.com/televis/renstimp/you_stup.au
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Enabran Templar
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11-28-2005 10:15
Enabran, I'm aware that Magnum has posted some schemes that make no sense at all. I usually disagree with what he posts. Attacks on his suggestions are a-okay, and I'd be happy to give those a kick or two myself. But I feel attacks on his person are something else. Anyway, I've said what I have to say on this. I'll send you some cigars when I get inworld. I hear what you're saying. Maybe my maturity is lacking, but I can no longer distinguish the quality of the person against the quality of the remarks. At any rate, I think you're good people. |
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Moopf Murray
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11-28-2005 10:17
Moopf, illogic is frustrating as hell, I agree. Personally, it drives me apeshit. It's one thing when one poster loses it and starts raving like Ren ( http://sounds.wavcentral.com/televis/renstimp/you_stup.au ). But it makes me feel bad to see a whole thread turn into that, and this one was headed that way. The example I posted in my previous thread was not about being illogical (although my, there certainly was a fair bit). It was an example showing how the original poster deals with people who have views they don't and always has. Let the original poster show that they can actually discuss issues sensibly and I'll be more than willing to engage on that level. Until then though, yup, village idiot just about sums it up. _____________________
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Jesse Linden
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11-28-2005 12:02
this thread has devolved into a series of personal attacks between residents thus it shall be closed.
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