I Applaud Linden Labs
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Ezequal Torgeson
Geometry God
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 93
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11-14-2005 03:37
I think its time to day something positive about Secondlife and Linden Labs for the progress they have made. To be frank about it im sick of the "bitchfest" for a lack of better words that the system has become. Over the past week I have observed:
- My weapons working the best they ever have. - Sims with 40+ person running smoothly. - Tringo games IN thoes areas running the fastest i have ever seen - A map system thats the envy of any other system i have ever been on. - Community interaction well above several other online products i have worked with. - Continous promised product development. - Sim to sim transitioning the smoothes I have seen yet
On top of that a reatime web interface that allows you to peer into teh system and see howmany people are online, how many people are registered AND howmuch money users haev thrown around that day, accounting for tes of thosands of real US dollars that keep the market flowing.
The only performance hits im seeing is some transition pains in preperation for in-system web browseing and Havok 2 implementation. And, I can only imagine how nice SL will be with the implementation od monocode.
So, Linden Labs, I applaud you and the progress that you have made so far in a technology that no one has seen before, leading the way in a brand new market. I have been skeptical up to this point, but I truely see very high potential for the system in time to come.
- Ezequal Torgeson
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Ayame Sapeur
~*Model Princess*~
Join date: 19 Sep 2005
Posts: 167
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11-14-2005 03:49
Good for you. Except that these things shouldn't be applauded. This is basic customer service. Maybe a B+ if graded. But we went through weeks of hell for what?
A pretty look of sims in the map? A new build button? The classifields?
In any case, this is why we pay them. If it was free, by all means, applaud. But we are paying customers, and some people have been playing quite a lot of money in their land tiers for no reason, during the gray storm and the weeks that followed.
-Ayame Sapeur
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Ezequal Torgeson
Geometry God
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 93
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11-14-2005 04:07
From: Ayame Sapeur A pretty look of sims in the map? A new build button? The classifields? -Ayame Sapeur
You named one (and the most minor might i add) feature of of the list of things that i have seen IMPROVE. Who the hell wants to work for a buch of moaning and groaning clients. I thnk them for the improvemts ive seen thus far. And no, SL by all means is free. There was a what, $10 fee to join a system for life? Thats low income. Land fees are completely optional, land doesn have to be had and ive been in teh system for over a year and a half and seen nithing but new features and sim improvement, and if this really is the stepping stone to HTML and H2 then I have nothing to worry about.
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Ledje Gorky
Registered User
Join date: 1 Jun 2005
Posts: 126
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11-14-2005 04:47
From: Ezequal Torgeson Who the hell wants to work for a buch of moaning and groaning clients. Indeed, if i was the Linden boss-guy i would have pulled the plug along time ago. Just because you pay for the "game" doesnt mean you get extra rights to grief.
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Alexis Ingersoll
Registered User
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
Posts: 14
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11-14-2005 04:48
I totally hear you Ezequal. Like any developing system, it has some hiccups along the way, but the problems have never struck me as awful, and certainly aren't nearly as bad as some would make them out to be.
The argument gets made a lot that SL is a product. And indeed it is. But it's not a static one, it's one that's constantly changing. Most other software which under goes rapid change *on-line* faces similar problems. For example, there aren't really any MMORPGs out there that don't exhibit a lot of growing pains when new additions are made. I think bugs per update are an intrinsic part of versioning a complex system while keeping it running in place. Most of the problems get ironed out within the two weeks following a release. There are problems which are more persistant as well of course, but those are generally things which reach deeper into the architecture of the SL engine. There will always be some things which take time and I've always been impressed by the general level of awareness the Lindens have of the issues. Overall, I don't think the problems have been particularly excessive at all.
Stepping back a little, to this day I'm still in complete awe at the sheer amazingness of SL. It's a veritable living, breathing, growing *world* in here. It has a real economy. It has sprung up many of the same social dynamics of the real world. It's very much a universe in a box.
And if one steps back from the day to day and looks at it from the timescale of even a few months, the engine is improving pretty rapidly. The world itself is absolutely exploding. I can't believe SL only got out of beta in mid 2003. There is *so much stuff* in SL that has been created in just these last 2.5 years.
I think the Lindens have a lot to be proud of, and I *really* hope the community makes it worth it for them. I think the whole thing is just spectacular.
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Les White
sombish
Join date: 7 Oct 2004
Posts: 163
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11-14-2005 13:57
my 1/2 sim tier says thanks enough. over the past week i've observed: - i can move again (hey it's something! enough to keep me paying anyway) - scripts run slower then ever. breaking some of my creations. - undocumented changes to llVolumeDetect, that i can't seem to get an answer on, has broken some of my creations. - bugs from a year ago still around (ffs, fix sound queueing at least) - meh meh meh moo! I do look forward to havok2. As a matter of fact i've been looking forward to it for a year and expect to continue to look forward to it for quiet a while longer. I also look forward (over the mountians and far away) to mono which is supposed to increase script speed, though i imagine any speed gained in one area will have it's freed resources used up by another and this game kept at the bare minimal level of playablitly to keep cost down. Maybe we can stack 8 sims on a server soon. Think of the savings! This game (platform for the anal) is a few years old now. For many games that's about the total life span, yet SL feels like it's still in beta and hasn't even got of the ground. Gotta advance or be left behind. I'm sure some group some where is giggling at this game and cooking up a working version. When i can hold races LIKE ADVERTISED on the SL home page a year ago when i joined, then i will say gg LL. I do feel sorry for the people on the front lines of customer service this last while, but as the song goes, "If you don't like your job, lay that bucket down". Anyway i don't know what i'm talking about. I'm tired of whining. I wish there was some competition to SL. I want more!! *&  *&@#*&$
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Sierra Divine
CEO of URBAN FLAVA
Join date: 4 Dec 2004
Posts: 187
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11-14-2005 15:44
From: Les White my 1/2 sim tier says thanks enough. over the past week i've observed: - i can move again (hey it's something! enough to keep me paying anyway) - scripts run slower then ever. breaking some of my creations. - undocumented changes to llVolumeDetect, that i can't seem to get an answer on, has broken some of my creations. - bugs from a year ago still around (ffs, fix sound queueing at least) - meh meh meh moo! I do look forward to havok2. As a matter of fact i've been looking forward to it for a year and expect to continue to look forward to it for quiet a while longer. I also look forward (over the mountians and far away) to mono which is supposed to increase script speed, though i imagine any speed gained in one area will have it's freed resources used up by another and this game kept at the bare minimal level of playablitly to keep cost down. Maybe we can stack 8 sims on a server soon. Think of the savings! This game (platform for the anal) is a few years old now. For many games that's about the total life span, yet SL feels like it's still in beta and hasn't even got of the ground. Gotta advance or be left behind. I'm sure some group some where is giggling at this game and cooking up a working version. When i can hold races LIKE ADVERTISED on the SL home page a year ago when i joined, then i will say gg LL. I do feel sorry for the people on the front lines of customer service this last while, but as the song goes, "If you don't like your job, lay that bucket down". Anyway i don't know what i'm talking about. I'm tired of whining. I wish there was some competition to SL. I want more!! *&  *&@#*&$ abso-freakin-lutely
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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11-14-2005 16:23
From: Ezequal Torgeson You named one (and the most minor might i add) feature of of the list of things that i have seen IMPROVE. Huh? Didn't get that. From: Ezequal Torgeson Who the hell wants to work for a buch of moaning and groaning clients. Any company that wants to stay in business. From: Ezequal Torgeson I thnk them for the improvemts ive seen thus far. I thank the Lord for punctuation. From: Ezequal Torgeson And no, SL by all means is free. There was a what, $10 fee to join a system for life? Thats low income. Land fees are completely optional, land doesn have to be had and ive been in teh system for over a year and a half and seen nithing but new features and sim improvement, and if this really is the stepping stone to HTML and H2 then I have nothing to worry about. SL is free? Is it? Tell that to the people who's attractions you enjoy, who pay their money for the land you visit and use and who create the content. No, it's not free, because to those who actually create the content for the others who don't pay to enjoy, it's actually really quite fucking expensive! Wow, sorry to rain on your parade there. Currently it's the stepping stone to oblivion based on the last update. That could change. I hope it does.
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elka Lehane
WOWAWIWA
Join date: 30 Mar 2005
Posts: 983
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11-14-2005 16:23
From: Ezequal Torgeson - Tringo games IN thoes areas running the fastest i have ever seen
Please, I beg you, tell me WHERE>>>????????? I am totally broke since 1.7 because I haven't been able to play Tringo. Btw, you have an AWESOME name. When I have an alt, it's always Ezeikielle. <3
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Margaret Mfume
I.C.
Join date: 30 Dec 2004
Posts: 2,492
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11-14-2005 16:43
From: Ezequal Torgeson And no, SL by all means is free. There was a what, $10 fee to join a system for life? Thats low income. Land fees are completely optional, land doesn have to be had and ive been in teh system for over a year and a half and seen nithing but new features and sim improvement, and if this really is the stepping stone to HTML and H2 then I have nothing to worry about. From your statement here, I guess you don't own land. Is that correct? I'm looking to get some of that sweet nirvana you got going on. i can see how it's all good if it's free. Losing my tier payments would probably stop me from thinking of myself as a paying customer. Land prices seem to be climbing back up...hmmm. You may be on to something here, thanks! 
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WynterWolfe Sieyes
Registered User
Join date: 22 Oct 2005
Posts: 47
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11-14-2005 17:01
From: Moopf Murray Huh? Didn't get that. Any company that wants to stay in business. I thank the Lord for punctuation. SL is free? Is it? Tell that to the people who's attractions you enjoy, who pay their money for the land you visit and use and who create the content. No, it's not free, because to those who actually create the content for the others who don't pay to enjoy, it's actually really quite fucking expensive! Wow, sorry to rain on your parade there. Currently it's the stepping stone to oblivion based on the last update. That could change. I hope it does. I read this. Basically, an attack on this person who's done nothing but post his opinion. But I've also inferred from your post that since the OP is playing for free, or even if he isn't, the fact that he brought it up, makes his opinion on things irrelevant. I think you're entitled to your opinion, but so is the OP. There's no reason for you to deride him for posting it. Based on your post here, I'm surprised you're still involved in SL at all. If I were that unhappy, I would've left for greener pastures. But then, I don't live to complain about things.  Thanks, Wynter
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Satchmo Prototype
eSheep
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,323
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11-14-2005 17:05
I'd like to add that HUD's and animated attachments rock! And a big thanks for making audio/video opt in. Oh yea, auto-completion in the map screen is also a new favorite of mine.
I love the release early and often strategy, no matter what the newbie whiners say... oh well, they always complain (and say the same thing) with a major update.
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Ayame Sapeur
~*Model Princess*~
Join date: 19 Sep 2005
Posts: 167
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11-14-2005 17:24
Hun, Ive been playing longer than you have(alt). And being a newbie has nothing to do with being dissatified with this game.
The fact is, I have a friend, and she paid for a sim and pays 200 $ a month for it. Because of 1.7, her sim was rendered useless, nobody could use it because of the lag. She still had to pay for that month though. I call that cheating, but, hey, it's LL, they can do whatever they want.
You can kiss Philip's butt all you want, but truth be told, you probablly don't have all much invested in SL.
-Ayame Sapeur
BTW, n00b ( I miss FMFN ), basic accounts are now free. That, however, doesn't matter to us who actually PAY a fair enough piece of cash for this game.
Chaya vurdandi mas!
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WynterWolfe Sieyes
Registered User
Join date: 22 Oct 2005
Posts: 47
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11-14-2005 17:46
From: Ayame Sapeur Hun, Ive been playing longer than you have(alt). And being a newbie has nothing to do with being dissatified with this game.
The fact is, I have a friend, and she paid for a sim and pays 200 $ a month for it. Because of 1.7, her sim was rendered useless, nobody could use it because of the lag. She still had to pay for that month though. I call that cheating, but, hey, it's LL, they can do whatever they want.
You can kiss Philip's butt all you want, but truth be told, you probablly don't have all much invested in SL.
-Ayame Sapeur
BTW, n00b ( I miss FMFN ), basic accounts are now free. That, however, doesn't matter to us who actually PAY a fair enough piece of cash for this game.
Chaya vurdandi mas! *chuckles* No, I don't own land, yes, I'm on a basic account. I make tattoos, I pay to have them uploaded, I purchase Lindens when I need them. So, please, don't tell me I have nothing invested in SL. I pay my share. I don't see how the amount of money someone wishes to invest in this PLATFORM has to do with anything. If you're unhappy, stop investing that money. Simple, isn't it? I just don't see the point in whining incessantly about things. It's counterproductive. When I was a kid, all whining got me was a swift punishment. Maybe that's it, spare the rod, spoil the child. 
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Satchmo Prototype
eSheep
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,323
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11-14-2005 17:51
From: Ayame Sapeur You can kiss Philip's butt all you want, but truth be told, you probablly don't have all much invested in SL.
Check out my sim, it's called Response Check out the mention of me in this Information Week article, where it says I quit my job to do this full time. I only have my livelihood invested. These are not the droids you are looking for. Move along.
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Pendari Lorentz
Senior Member
Join date: 5 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,372
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11-14-2005 17:59
From: Satchmo Prototype Check out my sim, it's called Response Check out the mention of me in this Information Week article, where it says I quit my job to do this full time. I only have my livelihood invested. These are not the droids you are looking for. Move along. Whew! Your post calmed me Satch. hehe.. thank you!!  And I come *this* close to wanting to attach that last quote to YOUR name. hehe 
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Alexis Ingersoll
Registered User
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
Posts: 14
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11-14-2005 18:35
From: Satchmo Prototype Check out my sim, it's called Response Check out the mention of me in this Information Week article, where it says I quit my job to do this full time. I only have my livelihood invested. These are not the droids you are looking for. Move along. Wow, the whole SLE-CERT thing you are doing is totally amazing! I love the whole idea of using SL as an application platform. You rock.  I like your AV as well. I just realized you were the guy who was mentioned in the recent AV article in New World Notes!  *thumbs up*
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Satchmo Prototype
eSheep
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,323
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11-14-2005 19:00
From: Alexis Ingersoll I love the whole idea of using SL as an application platform. Thanks for the kind words. The increase in sim performance under heavy load, along with HUDS really help with using SL as an application platform. Now I just have my fingers crossed and beg FSM daily to give us HTML 
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Alexis Ingersoll
Registered User
Join date: 26 Jan 2005
Posts: 14
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11-14-2005 19:29
From: Satchmo Prototype Thanks for the kind words. The increase in sim performance under heavy load, along with HUDS really help with using SL as an application platform. Now I just have my fingers crossed and beg FSM daily to give us HTML  You're very welcome.  I'm really looking forward to HTML in world as well!
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