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Doc Nielsen

Fallen...

Join date: 13 Apr 2005

Posts: 1,059

12-12-2005 09:28

This is getting silly. It's not just happening to me, over the last week I've seen it happen to too many threads.

Someone starts up a thread, not wildly contentious, just talking about actual SL/LL events, pondering the meaning behind them, maybe passing comment on their own viewpoint as to what's going on.
A few people reply, some with a touch of humor, some seriously, some agreeing, some offering differing viewpoints, but all in a reasonable and polite fashion - sticking to the topic. This is reasonable IMO.

Then it happens - the thread is hijacked by individuals who skillfully turn the conversation to their own agendas, bypassing the original topic completely. Certain others jump in and the thread rapidly degenerates into spiteful and completely unnecessary argument.

I'm fed up with it. I expect the other thread originators and contributors who are seeing this happen are too.

We have combat sims - is it too much to ask for 'combat forums' where these people can go practice their verbal combat skills without annoying others?

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ZsuZsanna Raven

~:+: Supah Kitteh :+:~

Join date: 19 Dec 2004

Posts: 2,361

12-12-2005 09:29

This is why I hardly ever start a thread...

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Doc Nielsen

Fallen...

Join date: 13 Apr 2005

Posts: 1,059

12-12-2005 09:32

That's letting them win. If it's not possible to open a reasonable discussion then the forums might as well be closed.

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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?

blaze Spinnaker

1/2 Serious

Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

12-12-2005 09:37

You're just trying to say that you hate p2p.

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David Golding

SL Innovator

Join date: 2 Nov 2005

Posts: 30

12-12-2005 09:37

I have seen this alot recently and wonder why people can be so caustic about some of the topics discussed about LL. I have to wonder if this thread wil be next.

Luciftias Neurocam

Ecosystem Design

Join date: 13 Oct 2005

Posts: 742

12-12-2005 09:53

This thread is yet another piece of evidence that the SL business model is in serious trouble.

Cienna Samiam

Bah.

Join date: 13 Mar 2005

Posts: 1,316

12-12-2005 09:54

From: Luciftias Neurocam

This thread is yet another piece of evidence that the SL business model is in serious trouble.

This would be whole lot funnier if it didn't happen to have a kernal of truth in it.

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Doc Nielsen

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Join date: 13 Apr 2005

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12-12-2005 09:54

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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?

Ordinal Malaprop

really very ordinary

Join date: 9 Sep 2005

Posts: 4,607

12-12-2005 09:55

Seems like a pretty polite forum to me, all told.

AJ DaSilva

woz ere

Join date: 15 Jun 2005

Posts: 1,993

12-12-2005 09:55

Have you been using this

?

I don't know if it makes any diference, but that's what always seems to get suggested.

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Ordinal Malaprop

really very ordinary

Join date: 9 Sep 2005

Posts: 4,607

12-12-2005 09:55

From: blaze Spinnaker

You're just trying to say that you hate p2p.

Aimee Weber

The one on the right

Join date: 30 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,286

12-12-2005 09:56

I'm with you 100% Doc. I tried to suggest something similar to your "combat sim" style forum section (or alternatively a "high enforcement" section where people can start more peaceful threads) a few months back but people hated the idea. So like it or not, this is what we got

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Doc Nielsen

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12-12-2005 09:59

From: Aimee Weber

I'm with you 100% Doc. I tried to suggest something similar to your "combat sim" style forum section (or alternatively a "high enforcement" section where people can start more peaceful threads) a few months back but people hated the idea. So like it or not, this is what we got

Nope Aimee, it may be what we have now, but that doesn't mean we have to put up with it in future. Squeaky wheels and all that.

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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?

Persephone Phoenix

loving laptopvideo2go.com

Join date: 5 Nov 2004

Posts: 1,012

Strongly related issues tho?

12-12-2005 11:27

For instance, someone starts a thread because he/she has been treated poorly by the lindens in his or her opinion. This is because he or she had signs up protesting the neighbouring group and was putting the signs on the neighbour groups property.

It is a strongly related issue to discuss why the person was protesting the neighbouring group to begin with. It may be that the original post was about being poorly treated by lindens, but if the person was actually harassing his or her neighbours then it is worthwhile to discuss that also.

I hear ya about someone making a non-political issue (a straightforward question about dwell, for example) into a political one. And when I see someone taking a cheap punch, I tend to jump into the frey and punch back. What do you think? Should cheap punches go unanswered? Should strongly related issues never be discussed?

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Enabran Templar

Capitalist Pig

Join date: 26 Aug 2004

Posts: 4,506

12-12-2005 12:43

You're just noticing this? It is something to which you eventually become inured.

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Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.

Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?

Jake Reitveld

Emperor of Second Life

Join date: 9 Mar 2005

Posts: 2,690

12-12-2005 12:52

Its simple, accept that you are always right. Tell everyone you are always right, and let them know howgrateful they are to have your opinion. You won't be popular, but you'll sleep easy.

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Zapoteth Zaius

Is back

Join date: 14 Feb 2004

Posts: 5,634

12-12-2005 12:54

This is why ever forum user needs their own forum to post new threads in so they can edit out the off topic bits

Oh and this is SO about me, Sowwy

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Magnum Serpentine

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Join date: 20 Nov 2003

Posts: 1,811

12-12-2005 14:56

From: Doc Nielsen

This is getting silly. It's not just happening to me, over the last week I've seen it happen to too many threads.

Someone starts up a thread, not wildly contentious, just talking about actual SL/LL events, pondering the meaning behind them, maybe passing comment on their own viewpoint as to what's going on.
A few people reply, some with a touch of humor, some seriously, some agreeing, some offering differing viewpoints, but all in a reasonable and polite fashion - sticking to the topic. This is reasonable IMO.

Then it happens - the thread is hijacked by individuals who skillfully turn the conversation to their own agendas, bypassing the original topic completely. Certain others jump in and the thread rapidly degenerates into spiteful and completely unnecessary argument.

I'm fed up with it. I expect the other thread originators and contributors who are seeing this happen are too.

We have combat sims - is it too much to ask for 'combat forums' where these people can go practice their verbal combat skills without annoying others?

The most interesting hijacking I have encountered is the one where I am talking about Pinpoint Teleporting and someone says How Dare I speak for those who support Pinpoint teleporting because of my lifestyle... What does my Lifestyle have to do with anything???

Most Bizzare.

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Doc Nielsen Fallen... Join date: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 1,059	12-12-2005 09:28 This is getting silly. It's not just happening to me, over the last week I've seen it happen to too many threads. Someone starts up a thread, not wildly contentious, just talking about actual SL/LL events, pondering the meaning behind them, maybe passing comment on their own viewpoint as to what's going on. A few people reply, some with a touch of humor, some seriously, some agreeing, some offering differing viewpoints, but all in a reasonable and polite fashion - sticking to the topic. This is reasonable IMO. Then it happens - the thread is hijacked by individuals who skillfully turn the conversation to their own agendas, bypassing the original topic completely. Certain others jump in and the thread rapidly degenerates into spiteful and completely unnecessary argument. I'm fed up with it. I expect the other thread originators and contributors who are seeing this happen are too. We have combat sims - is it too much to ask for 'combat forums' where these people can go practice their verbal combat skills without annoying others? _____________________ All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
ZsuZsanna Raven ~:+: Supah Kitteh :+:~ Join date: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 2,361	12-12-2005 09:29 This is why I hardly ever start a thread... _____________________ ~Mewz!~
Doc Nielsen Fallen... Join date: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 1,059	12-12-2005 09:32 That's letting them win. If it's not possible to open a reasonable discussion then the forums might as well be closed. _____________________ All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	12-12-2005 09:37 You're just trying to say that you hate p2p. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
David Golding SL Innovator Join date: 2 Nov 2005 Posts: 30	12-12-2005 09:37 I have seen this alot recently and wonder why people can be so caustic about some of the topics discussed about LL. I have to wonder if this thread wil be next.
Luciftias Neurocam Ecosystem Design Join date: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 742	12-12-2005 09:53 This thread is yet another piece of evidence that the SL business model is in serious trouble.
Cienna Samiam Bah. Join date: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,316	12-12-2005 09:54 From: Luciftias Neurocam This thread is yet another piece of evidence that the SL business model is in serious trouble. This would be whole lot funnier if it didn't happen to have a kernal of truth in it. _____________________ Just remember, they only care about you when you're buying sims.
Doc Nielsen Fallen... Join date: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 1,059	12-12-2005 09:54 _____________________ All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
Ordinal Malaprop really very ordinary Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,607	12-12-2005 09:55 Seems like a pretty polite forum to me, all told.
AJ DaSilva woz ere Join date: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,993	12-12-2005 09:55 Have you been using this ? I don't know if it makes any diference, but that's what always seems to get suggested. _____________________
Ordinal Malaprop really very ordinary Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,607	12-12-2005 09:55 From: blaze Spinnaker You're just trying to say that you hate p2p.
Aimee Weber The one on the right Join date: 30 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,286	12-12-2005 09:56 I'm with you 100% Doc. I tried to suggest something similar to your "combat sim" style forum section (or alternatively a "high enforcement" section where people can start more peaceful threads) a few months back but people hated the idea. So like it or not, this is what we got _____________________
Doc Nielsen Fallen... Join date: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 1,059	12-12-2005 09:59 From: Aimee Weber I'm with you 100% Doc. I tried to suggest something similar to your "combat sim" style forum section (or alternatively a "high enforcement" section where people can start more peaceful threads) a few months back but people hated the idea. So like it or not, this is what we got Nope Aimee, it may be what we have now, but that doesn't mean we have to put up with it in future. Squeaky wheels and all that. _____________________ All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
Persephone Phoenix loving laptopvideo2go.com Join date: 5 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,012	Strongly related issues tho? 12-12-2005 11:27 For instance, someone starts a thread because he/she has been treated poorly by the lindens in his or her opinion. This is because he or she had signs up protesting the neighbouring group and was putting the signs on the neighbour groups property. It is a strongly related issue to discuss why the person was protesting the neighbouring group to begin with. It may be that the original post was about being poorly treated by lindens, but if the person was actually harassing his or her neighbours then it is worthwhile to discuss that also. I hear ya about someone making a non-political issue (a straightforward question about dwell, for example) into a political one. And when I see someone taking a cheap punch, I tend to jump into the frey and punch back. What do you think? Should cheap punches go unanswered? Should strongly related issues never be discussed? _____________________ Events are everyone's business.
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	12-12-2005 12:43 You're just noticing this? It is something to which you eventually become inured. _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Jake Reitveld Emperor of Second Life Join date: 9 Mar 2005 Posts: 2,690	12-12-2005 12:52 Its simple, accept that you are always right. Tell everyone you are always right, and let them know howgrateful they are to have your opinion. You won't be popular, but you'll sleep easy. _____________________ ALCHEMY -clothes for men. Lebeda 208,209
Zapoteth Zaius Is back Join date: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 5,634	12-12-2005 12:54 This is why ever forum user needs their own forum to post new threads in so they can edit out the off topic bits Oh and this is SO about me, Sowwy _____________________ I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say will be misquoted and used against me. --------------- Zapoteth Designs, Temotu (100,50) ---------------
Magnum Serpentine Registered User Join date: 20 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,811	12-12-2005 14:56 From: Doc Nielsen This is getting silly. It's not just happening to me, over the last week I've seen it happen to too many threads. Someone starts up a thread, not wildly contentious, just talking about actual SL/LL events, pondering the meaning behind them, maybe passing comment on their own viewpoint as to what's going on. A few people reply, some with a touch of humor, some seriously, some agreeing, some offering differing viewpoints, but all in a reasonable and polite fashion - sticking to the topic. This is reasonable IMO. Then it happens - the thread is hijacked by individuals who skillfully turn the conversation to their own agendas, bypassing the original topic completely. Certain others jump in and the thread rapidly degenerates into spiteful and completely unnecessary argument. I'm fed up with it. I expect the other thread originators and contributors who are seeing this happen are too. We have combat sims - is it too much to ask for 'combat forums' where these people can go practice their verbal combat skills without annoying others? The most interesting hijacking I have encountered is the one where I am talking about Pinpoint Teleporting and someone says How Dare I speak for those who support Pinpoint teleporting because of my lifestyle... What does my Lifestyle have to do with anything??? Most Bizzare.

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