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SuezanneC Baskerville

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11-25-2005 08:57

My understanding is that avatars when seated no longer involve the simulator in doing as much work processing avatar physics. Does this mean that one can actually tell a difference in some aspect of the system's responsiveness when a large group of avatars is seated as compared to the same avatars standing?

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Cid Jacobs

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11-25-2005 09:00

I would think the lag is about the same, last I checked your avatars bounding box was just added to the object, meaning that everything interacts with it the same as if you are standing still ( you know that weird thing were you can stand in the air if you dont move, yea that thing).

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11-25-2005 09:55

Technically, no. Psychologically, yes.

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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11-25-2005 10:05

When you are standing you are physical, and the server has to do physics calculations for your avatar.

When you are sitting on a non-physical object you are non-physical and thus the server doesn't have to do any physics calculations for your avatar.

Are these statements above true?

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Cid Jacobs

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11-25-2005 10:26

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

When you are standing you are physical, and the server has to do physics calculations for your avatar.

When you are sitting on a non-physical object you are non-physical and thus the server doesn't have to do any physics calculations for your avatar.

Are these statements above true?

Actually, I think when you are standing and not moving you are non physical, hence the statement above about standing on thin air. I believe you only become physical when you move. And you still have to do collisions for non physical objects.

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11-25-2005 11:13

From: Cid Jacobs

Actually, I think when you are standing and not moving you are non physical, hence the statement above about standing on thin air. I believe you only become physical when you move. And you still have to do collisions for non physical objects.

I think this is right, because when you stand of a platform, then delete it, it's like you're still standing on it. The moment you move, you fall, so it does sound like it enabled physics on you when you move.

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11-25-2005 11:30

So why are we encouraged to sit when are in groups at a place with theater style seating arangements instead of standing on the seats?

I am SURE that there is suppposed to be some computation benefit from having avatars seated instead of standing around ready to pounce. ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN, in fact.

Of course I might well be wrong.

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Champie Jack

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11-25-2005 11:48

From: nimrod Yaffle

I think this is right, because when you stand of a platform, then delete it, it's like you're still standing on it. The moment you move, you fall, so it does sound like it enabled physics on you when you move.

I don't think this is correct. Rather than a "physical" issue, you have explained an update issue.

Do exactly as you describe (stand still) and have someone throw a large physical projectile at you...you will see that you are physical.

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11-25-2005 11:58

From: Champie Jack

Do exactly as you describe (stand still) and have someone throw a large physical projectile at you...you will see that you are physical.

I think you will see that you become physical when a force is exerted on your avatar.

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11-25-2005 12:03

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

So why are we encouraged to sit when are in groups at a place with theater style seating arangements instead of standing on the seats?

Because when you're standing and doing something actively... every time you turn to look at something, or otherwise shift... what happens? You move. And go briefly physical.

But if you're standing idle or away, there should be no difference between that and sitting.

Do seated avatars lag less than standing ones?
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	11-25-2005 08:57 My understanding is that avatars when seated no longer involve the simulator in doing as much work processing avatar physics. Does this mean that one can actually tell a difference in some aspect of the system's responsiveness when a large group of avatars is seated as compared to the same avatars standing? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Cid Jacobs Theoretical Meteorologist Join date: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 4,304	11-25-2005 09:00 I would think the lag is about the same, last I checked your avatars bounding box was just added to the object, meaning that everything interacts with it the same as if you are standing still ( you know that weird thing were you can stand in the air if you dont move, yea that thing). _____________________
Travis Lambert White dog, red collar Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,819	11-25-2005 09:55 Technically, no. Psychologically, yes. _____________________ ------------------ The Shelter The Shelter is a non-profit recreation center for new residents, and supporters of new residents. Our goal is to provide a positive & supportive social environment for those looking for one in our overwhelming world.
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	11-25-2005 10:05 When you are standing you are physical, and the server has to do physics calculations for your avatar. When you are sitting on a non-physical object you are non-physical and thus the server doesn't have to do any physics calculations for your avatar. Are these statements above true? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Cid Jacobs Theoretical Meteorologist Join date: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 4,304	11-25-2005 10:26 From: SuezanneC Baskerville When you are standing you are physical, and the server has to do physics calculations for your avatar. When you are sitting on a non-physical object you are non-physical and thus the server doesn't have to do any physics calculations for your avatar. Are these statements above true? Actually, I think when you are standing and not moving you are non physical, hence the statement above about standing on thin air. I believe you only become physical when you move. And you still have to do collisions for non physical objects. _____________________
nimrod Yaffle Cavemen are people too... Join date: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 3,146	11-25-2005 11:13 From: Cid Jacobs Actually, I think when you are standing and not moving you are non physical, hence the statement above about standing on thin air. I believe you only become physical when you move. And you still have to do collisions for non physical objects. I think this is right, because when you stand of a platform, then delete it, it's like you're still standing on it. The moment you move, you fall, so it does sound like it enabled physics on you when you move.
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	11-25-2005 11:30 So why are we encouraged to sit when are in groups at a place with theater style seating arangements instead of standing on the seats? I am SURE that there is suppposed to be some computation benefit from having avatars seated instead of standing around ready to pounce. ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN, in fact. Of course I might well be wrong. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Champie Jack Registered User Join date: 6 Dec 2003 Posts: 1,156	11-25-2005 11:48 From: nimrod Yaffle I think this is right, because when you stand of a platform, then delete it, it's like you're still standing on it. The moment you move, you fall, so it does sound like it enabled physics on you when you move. I don't think this is correct. Rather than a "physical" issue, you have explained an update issue. Do exactly as you describe (stand still) and have someone throw a large physical projectile at you...you will see that you are physical.
Cid Jacobs Theoretical Meteorologist Join date: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 4,304	11-25-2005 11:58 From: Champie Jack Do exactly as you describe (stand still) and have someone throw a large physical projectile at you...you will see that you are physical. I think you will see that you become physical when a force is exerted on your avatar. _____________________
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	11-25-2005 12:03 From: SuezanneC Baskerville So why are we encouraged to sit when are in groups at a place with theater style seating arangements instead of standing on the seats? Because when you're standing and doing something actively... every time you turn to look at something, or otherwise shift... what happens? You move. And go briefly physical. But if you're standing idle or away, there should be no difference between that and sitting.

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