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GASP!! What if they move the ResMods to in-world duties!?!

Aaron Levy
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08-10-2006 15:34
I have visions of Cybermen-like resmods marching around in-world "deleting" or upgrading people.

You know, I still believe there are people at Linden Labs that thought the ResMod program was a good idea.

Personally, I believe the ResMod program was the thing that hammered the nails into the SL Forum coffin.
ZsuZsanna Raven
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08-10-2006 15:37
I wouldn't let them clean my pixelated house...
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Cybin Monde
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no, bad idea for sure
08-10-2006 15:45
while i may have joined as a ResMod to assist in simple forum clean-ups, i surely wouldn't dream of having any sort of editorial power over others in-world! *shiver* a dark day that would be, indeed.

however, i have to disagree that the program was a nail in the coffin.. perhaps the resulting backlash that at times resulted in agressively offensive behaviour at times, but not the simple act of some people trying to help keep the forums a decent and organized place.

to me, it's the negativity that killed the forums. if there had been a more prevalent modicum of respect, then we possibly wouldn't have needed ResMods to begin with. scalability has been cited as a reason in a few places (officially, that is) and i can't help but think part of that scalability is the need to moderate the forums so fervently due to amount of negative actions that have occurred here.
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katykiwi Moonflower
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08-10-2006 18:01
From: Aaron Levy
I have visions of Cybermen-like resmods marching around in-world "deleting" or upgrading people.

You know, I still believe there are people at Linden Labs that thought the ResMod program was a good idea.

Personally, I believe the ResMod program was the thing that hammered the nails into the SL Forum coffin.
I read that Torley said that very idea was in the works. and after seeing how badly one resmod treated the SL community, claiming we are criminals and that he is a cop, the idea of a membership policing entity really concerns me.
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Hank Ramos
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Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,328
08-10-2006 18:10
All I can say about the ResMods is that one of the had the Lindens break the SL rules and client software functionality so they could benefit off of me. The that person was vaulted into being a ResMod for many months, almost since the beginning of the program. It was never about stopping the griefers, but about control of the populations views and discussions. Of course it was impossible to do so in the forums, so they will be dispensed with.

Frankly, who cares if people get into flame wars. If you dont' want to read a thread...here's a great suggestion...Don't! If you don't like a negative thread, then don't read it! If you don't want to participate in a discussion that somehow upsets you (either by directly insulting you, offending your sensibilities, or having the audacity to challenge your viewpoint) then don't participate in that particular discussion! All this desire over controlling what other people say and think is quite scary to me.
Aaron Levy
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08-10-2006 18:17
Hear, hear! My thoughts exactly, Hank. I'm involved in forums much much much more heated than the tame "flame wars" here, and like you said, if you don't want to read, you go to the next thread.
Jayson Whittaker
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08-10-2006 18:21
Come on, it's not that much of a bad idea. Would you rather the lindens spent their time on applications and fixing the bugs before making new ones while other people sorted the forums for them?

You can't throw out the whole idea because of a couple of idiots neglecting their duties and using their powers against other people.

When a forum first introduces Moderators, it's a trial and error basis on whether or not certain people will make good moderators. I have been moderator of many forums and I was such a good one on one that I'm now a Legend after I left :)

My whole point is-You're not even giving this a fair chance. I believe Moderators will help the community heaps ONCE LL chooses the right ones. :/

As for moderators in-world. Maybe. IF LL gives them the correct permissions to do only what they're meant to be doing, and only ones who have proved themselves in the forums by being a good, active, resonable moderator for a long period of time. I think it would also help with the cleaning of abandoned land, selling of Governor Linden land, etc. BUT I wouldn't recommend that track until they sort out the forum's ResMod program.

I wouldn't worry about it, The permissions should only be return items and NOT delete them, so you wont lose anything if they clear your land for any reason. But I'm sure if it came in LL would lay off anybody not doing their Job and, again, abusing their powers.
Schwanson Schlegel
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08-10-2006 18:43
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Maeve Morgan
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08-10-2006 18:46
I sure wouldn't do it, I have better things to do with my time in world, and I'm already in live help, I'm not interested in being the in world Gestapo.
Cocoanut Koala
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08-10-2006 18:51
I fear that, too, Aaron. And also expect it.

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Leilany LaFollette
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08-10-2006 18:57
Funny you should say that, I recently witnessed a mentor publicly harass a resident because her profile included a word he considered offensive. I was in the same place for about 30 minutes and all the time I was there he never stopped. I IM'ed her and told her she should AR him and she didn't think she could because he was a mentor.

Having an in-world police would be a bad, bad idea...

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Kendra Bancroft
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08-10-2006 19:07
From: Aaron Levy
I have visions of Cybermen-like resmods marching around in-world "deleting" or upgrading people.

You know, I still believe there are people at Linden Labs that thought the ResMod program was a good idea.

Personally, I believe the ResMod program was the thing that hammered the nails into the SL Forum coffin.



I'm selling the new resmod avatars in PORT NEUALTENBURG.
Just follow the slurl link in my sig. or message me in world.

Witness the FUTURE

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Jayson Whittaker
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08-10-2006 19:10
No offence but I surely wouldn't be a Mod if we had to wear that. I love my dresses from Awesome :)
Jonas Pierterson
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08-10-2006 19:13
From: Cybin Monde


to me, it's the negativity that killed the forums. if there had been a more prevalent modicum of respect, then we possibly wouldn't have needed ResMods to begin with. scalability has been cited as a reason in a few places (officially, that is) and i can't help but think part of that scalability is the need to moderate the forums so fervently due to amount of negative actions that have occurred here.


If they had made actual good decisions and worked on bug fixes 90% of the negativity would be gone. ITS THEIR OWN FAULT.
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Cybin Monde
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do you honestly believe this?
08-10-2006 19:48
From: Jonas Pierterson
If they had made actual good decisions and worked on bug fixes 90% of the negativity would be gone. ITS THEIR OWN FAULT.


Jonas, seriously.. it's not people complaining about in-world bugs or the like that's the problem.. that's not the majority of negativity on these forums anyway. it's residents attacking other residents.

sure, it would help if bugs got fixed, but in all honesty.. at least they do fix some bugs with each update. sometimes not many or not very important ones, but at least they do fix bugs on a regualr basis. regardless of what those bugs are.
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Jayson Whittaker
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08-10-2006 19:52
From: Jonas Pierterson
If they had made actual good decisions and worked on bug fixes 90% of the negativity would be gone. ITS THEIR OWN FAULT.


Right, yes. So your Negitivity comes from where? Did a bug crawl up your ass and LL didn't fix it? Be Real. It's not all LL's fault. :/
Jessica Elytis
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08-10-2006 20:11
From: Cybin Monde
Jonas, seriously.. it's not people complaining about in-world bugs or the like that's the problem.. that's not the majority of negativity on these forums anyway. it's residents attacking other residents.

sure, it would help if bugs got fixed, but in all honesty.. at least they do fix some bugs with each update. sometimes not many or not very important ones, but at least they do fix bugs on a regualr basis. regardless of what those bugs are.


And even lumped all together, the negative posts like this account for about .001% of teh community.

If that is the reason LL is killing the forums, then it's a piss-poor one.

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Jayson Whittaker
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08-10-2006 20:13
Well, IF you read the ToS they don't need a reason to close part of a service, you agreed to those ToS so live with it...
Cybin Monde
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relevance
08-10-2006 21:02
Jessica, i personally see threads that attack others, name names, have inflammatory posts and a whole plethora of uncivil behaviour in several threads amongst a couple forums (mainly General and The Sandbox.. and sometimes Bulletin Board) on a fairly common basis.

while this may not make up the majority of all the forums, it is the majority of what "maintenance" would refer to. (from what i've gathered anyway)

as a ResMod, i see approximately 30 - 40 ARs per day. and that's where scalability comes in.. the larger the community grows, the larger that number of ARs will be. and those don't even cover all the threads that require some sort of moderation or at least to be looked over.. sometimes posts need editing, which can only be done by a Linden.. and so on and on and on.

moderation is necessary in these forums.. in ANY official forums. LL doesn't have the amount of staff a larger company like Blizzard or NCSoft does to comb and moderate the forums, even with the added ResMods and so it has become taxing and has most likely been foreseen to be severely hampering in the not-to-distant future.

i can spend hours and hours in a day just doing my ResMod duties. i can't imagine what it would be like in another year when the population is MUCH greater than that of today. just comparing the forums from when i first joined to the present day is sufficient to see how wild things can become.
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