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Why does mouse hover show the OWNER?

Zen Zeddmore
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09-10-2006 12:44
SL tries too hard to be too much like FL! This is VR dudes, get with the program. RL needs marketers and sellers because a copy of your desired object inherits costs of remanufacture, transportation, storage, marketing, insurance ... you know the story. Enter SL, a new paradigm: everything remains perpetually intrinsicly copyable. If the objects' creators insist, a payment to honor/reward their effort could be required, (and divied up if multiple creators were involved).

This is fair to content creators. It would inspire way more content creation than the present system. It bypasses the scammers who SELL freebies. And if your content vanishes mysteriously(as things have been known to) ya just place another from your inventory.

Why does mouse hover show the OWNER and description? The archaic concept of proud ownership is so ten centuries ago! Let's go and be NOW!
Ketra Saarinen
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09-10-2006 12:48
You have an interesting knack for dancing around your point but never fully presenting it.

Are you saying that mouseover shouldn't list any owner? Or the creator *instead* of the owner? Or?

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Joshua Nightshade
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09-10-2006 12:50
From: Ketra Saarinen
You have an interesting knack for dancing around your point but never fully presenting it.

Are you saying that mouseover shouldn't list any owner? Or the creator *instead* of the owner? Or?

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Zen Zeddmore
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09-10-2006 13:07
Sorry, I thought that by stating that ownership claims are meaningless and archaic, one would easily guess, from the above, that yes, the creator should be the one listed rather than the mear owner.

P.S. I don't try to be obscure, it's just that text is an inherently serial form of communication that doesn't work well for most people. (which is by-the-way the best reason to ignor what i or anyone else mis-communicates) IOW. obscurity rules :)
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09-10-2006 13:14
From: Zen Zeddmore
Sorry, I thought that by stating that ownership claims are meaningless and archaic, one would easily guess, from the above, that yes, the creator should be the one listed rather than the mear owner.

P.S. I don't try to be obscure, it's just that text is an inherently serial form of communication that doesn't work well for most people. (which is by-the-way the best reason to ignor what i or anyone else mis-communicates) IOW. obscurity rules :)


The creator is listed in the object as well.

I see this as totally a non-issue, btw. LL has a lot more important things to worry about than affecting communism in SL. like perhaps operating a working piece of software? :confused:
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Zen Zeddmore
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09-10-2006 13:32
WHOA! How do you read communism from anything that i've writen here? Please, I'm really curious.

obvious stupidity on my part, my remark about ownership claims, thwack my brain is dead.
Joshua Nightshade
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09-10-2006 13:45
From: Zen Zeddmore
WHOA! How do you read communism from anything that i've writen here? Please, I'm really curious.

obvious stupidity on my part, my remark about ownership claims, thwack my brain is dead.


No it's not stupid, sorry I misread what you originally wrote.

But still, you can see both the owner and creator of an object if you right-click and choose edit. I don't think it's uber important for you to necessarily need anything else just now. :)
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09-10-2006 13:48
From: Zen Zeddmore

Why does mouse hover show the OWNER and description? The archaic concept of proud ownership is so ten centuries ago! Let's go and be NOW!


I don't know about you, but I'd like to know the names of owners of objects that so don't belong where they might be dropped. Say, on my property or that of my neighbors. By griefers.

Oh, now I can hear how we shouldn't own any property in SL, too. :P
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09-10-2006 14:07
Showing owner on hover is also very useful for commerce because a shopper can tell quickly if the item is owned by the merchant - think invisible boxes set over items that take payment, like vendors or the web shopping terminals. In general, with the way the land system is set up, ownership of a prim is a far more useful and necessary piece of information than who created it.

In addition, the creator tab can be notoriously inaccurate for general purposes. If one person creates a prim and sells it to someone else, and that person makes it the root prim the linked set of a house (let's say) they created, then the creator tab will list the original person that made the single prim.
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Zen Zeddmore
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09-10-2006 14:25
Thank all of you. Some very salient points raised. My son offered another, my notions of everything being purchasable anywhere anytime would wreck havok with certain elements of SL. Buy your opponents weapons or armour during battle?
Then too I haven't noticed a lot of consistancy as regards maintainance of permissions (even in an untransfered object!) or creator so it's all a mute point i guess.
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09-10-2006 14:31
Here, have a free one of these http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3945/image1cz9.gif
Zen Zeddmore
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09-10-2006 15:21
Since y'all seem to think i'm communist can i offer on the side(so as not to get off track), I think communism doesn't motivate people very well at all and the fixes for that failure are all too often inhumane. Communism is about resources which in SL are a non-issue(with the exception of land). The land issue as it stands seems a fairly reasonable way to keep SL from being a dumping ground for people's litter. (imagine sandboxes that weren't automaticly wiped!)
Again if you want to get political then let's start up a thread in politics.
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09-10-2006 16:01
From: Zen Zeddmore
Since y'all seem to think i'm communist can i offer on the side(so as not to get off track), I think communism doesn't motivate people very well at all and the fixes for that failure are all too often inhumane. Communism is about resources which in SL are a non-issue(with the exception of land). The land issue as it stands seems a fairly reasonable way to keep SL from being a dumping ground for people's litter. (imagine sandboxes that weren't automaticly wiped!)
Again if you want to get political then let's start up a thread in politics.


Resources are a non-issue in SL. teeeheee. have you PLAYED the game? :)
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Yiffy Yaffle
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09-10-2006 16:14
LEAVE HOVER TIPS ALONE!!!
I like them how they are. I wan't to see who owns what without having to edit it. Its anoying how they made hovertips off by default i want them always on!

EDIT: However, if what is being said is to ADD the creator to the hovertips WITH the owner, then i would accept.
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09-10-2006 16:22
This isn't an important point and only serves to detract from the serious flaws that need to be taken care of, ie: when everyone will recognize Kalia as queen of the metaverse!
Vares Solvang
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09-10-2006 18:15
Uhm...I'll have some of what Zen is smoking. :rolleyes:
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09-10-2006 18:29
I want an audit trail, from creator through all modifiers to the current owner.
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09-10-2006 18:42
From: Jesse Malthus
I want an audit trail, from creator through all modifiers to the current owner.


OMG HAX!

Edit: Yay 1,120!
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09-10-2006 19:46
TERROR! runaway!!!
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