SL Attacks need REAL punishment
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Seigmancer Nino
Builder, Engineer
Join date: 24 May 2005
Posts: 150
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12-14-2005 19:26
This is nothing short of online terrorism. There are groups in SL which sole purpose is to disrupt the SL world and even bring fear to people. I was even told of people being actually scared of certain groups and individuals. There should be in-world investigators to detect the people causing or planning problems and have them dropped out of SL along with Legal action against them. I strongly believe that threats against SL should be fully invesitaged and prosecuted. I have heard that paypal and free accounts bring more and more griefers, probably underaged kids trying to have some fun at other people's expense. just my 2 cents  |
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Susie Boffin
Certified Nutcase
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 2,151
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12-14-2005 19:39
From: Seigmancer Nino This is nothing short of online terrorism. There are groups in SL which sole purpose is to disrupt the SL world and even bring fear to people. I was even told of people being actually scared of certain groups and individuals. There should be in-world investigators to detect the people causing or planning problems and have them dropped out of SL along with Legal action against them. I strongly believe that threats against SL should be fully invesitaged and prosecuted. I have heard that paypal and free accounts bring more and more griefers, probably underaged kids trying to have some fun at other people's expense. just my 2 cents There are all sorts of attacks on SL. We have recently seen a rash of grid attacks and those kids need to be spanked. I am as much concerned about the attacks on citizens by certain nitwits who hang out at the Welcome Area. While they don't bring down the grid they can certainly ruin a person's SL experience and they aren't children but adults with runaway personality disorders. If you have a cure for personality disorders please post it and you will be a millionaire.
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Tren Neva
Registered User
Join date: 16 Oct 2004
Posts: 619
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12-14-2005 19:44
From: Susie Boffin There are all sorts of attacks on SL. We have recently seen a rash of grid attacks and those kids need to be spanked.
I am as much concerned about the attacks on citizens by certain nitwits who hang out at the Welcome Area. While they don't bring down the grid they can certainly ruin a person's SL experience and they aren't children but adults with runaway personality disorders.
If you have a cure for personality disorders please post it and you will be a millionaire. Physical violence. Although it doesn't help much in SL. |
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Robin Linden
Linden Lifer
Join date: 25 Nov 2002
Posts: 1,224
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12-14-2005 20:00
We are actively working to deal with the people behind these attacks. We know the cost to the residents in lost content and lost revenue is significant, as is the cost to Linden Lab. We're compiling files on the perpetrators and working with federal officials to make sure that they are stopped.
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Jokey Domela
Registered User
Join date: 27 Jul 2005
Posts: 83
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12-14-2005 20:00
I hear the W-Hats are hiding WMD's. Let the search begin!
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
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12-14-2005 20:00
Should be a law - like Godwins Law - for the trend in overusing the term 'terrorism'.
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Mulch Ennui
15 Minutes are Over
Join date: 22 May 2005
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12-14-2005 20:39
From: Siggy Romulus Should be a law - like Godwins Law - for the trend in overusing the term 'terrorism'. then we would be a "Godwins Country"
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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12-14-2005 20:41
From: Mulch Ennui then we would be a "Godwins Country" lol - well if GodWins that will make the 'Red States' happy... Ever noticed how the Red States complain most about communism? I never got that.
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The Second Life forums are living proof as to why it's illegal for people to have sex with farm animals. From: Jesse Linden I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
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Huns Valen
Don't PM me here.
Join date: 3 May 2003
Posts: 2,749
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12-15-2005 03:38
From: Robin Linden We are actively working to deal with the people behind these attacks. We know the cost to the residents in lost content and lost revenue is significant, as is the cost to Linden Lab. We're compiling files on the perpetrators and working with federal officials to make sure that they are stopped. By any chance, has the term "extradition" come up at all? From: Mulch Ennui then we would be a "Godwins Country" I thought this was very clever, thanks for posting it  |
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 7,939
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12-15-2005 03:57
Set your land to no-build, and attacks will be made that much harder.
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Jessica Qin
Wo & Shade, Importers
Join date: 16 Feb 2005
Posts: 161
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12-15-2005 07:11
From: Robin Linden We are actively working to deal with the people behind these attacks. We know the cost to the residents in lost content and lost revenue is significant, as is the cost to Linden Lab. We're compiling files on the perpetrators and working with federal officials to make sure that they are stopped. I'd like to suggest that LL keep us posted on this kind of thing? Ie, what penalties the perps suffer. It may have some small deterrent effect. Not to mention providing some of us with a smidgen of catharsis. Jess |
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
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12-15-2005 07:13
From: Jessica Qin Not to mention providing some of us with a smidgen of catharsis.
What a cool phrase. My very next RPG character will be the Warrior Elf Smidgen of Catharsis! |
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Seigmancer Nino
Builder, Engineer
Join date: 24 May 2005
Posts: 150
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12-15-2005 07:14
From: Eggy Lippmann Set your land to no-build, and attacks will be made that much harder. That infringes on my freedom to build then and the attackers win. There has to be other solutions. |
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Seigmancer Nino
Builder, Engineer
Join date: 24 May 2005
Posts: 150
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12-15-2005 07:16
From: Siggy Romulus Should be a law - like Godwins Law - for the trend in overusing the term 'terrorism'. Overuse of nothing im simply making a comparison. |
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
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12-15-2005 07:31
From: Seigmancer Nino Overuse of nothing im simply making a comparison. I think perhaps too simply.
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Seigmancer Nino
Builder, Engineer
Join date: 24 May 2005
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12-15-2005 07:34
From: Taco Rubio I think perhaps too simply. When people are scared of people in SL then somethings not right. |
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
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12-15-2005 07:39
From: Seigmancer Nino When people are scared of people in SL then somethings not right. I agree!
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
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12-15-2005 07:50
Me too. But I don't think we're agreeing to what he means |
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,706
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12-15-2005 07:53
From: Robin Linden We are actively working to deal with the people behind these attacks. We know the cost to the residents in lost content and lost revenue is significant, as is the cost to Linden Lab. We're compiling files on the perpetrators and working with federal officials to make sure that they are stopped. And while the LL "legal team" investigates, and no enforcement action is taken to protect inWorld residents, investments and stake holders - LL continues to show an unwillingness to effectively deal with security..Thus risking a crisis in confidence. 
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Csven Concord
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Join date: 19 Mar 2005
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12-15-2005 07:57
From: Jessica Qin I'd like to suggest that LL keep us posted on this kind of thing? Ie, what penalties the perps suffer. It may have some small deterrent effect.
Not to mention providing some of us with a smidgen of catharsis.
Jess My thoughts. Perhaps this would help to bolster confidence. Perhaps. |
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Doc Nielsen
Fallen...
Join date: 13 Apr 2005
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12-15-2005 08:48
From: Eggy Lippmann Set your land to no-build, and attacks will be made that much harder. Yeah Eggy. I had all that stuff from a Linden who came to 'sort out' (Hah!) my recent griefing attack. The point is, why should I set every parcel I own to 'no build', autoreturn and so on? And it that's the LL answer to griefing, why are the options actually available? I mean, why not kill the scripting commands that make grid attacks possible? SL is as it is and the paying customers shouldn't be forced to compromise because ill considered policies and poor security have combined to attract a bunch of sociopaths.
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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
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Doc Nielsen
Fallen...
Join date: 13 Apr 2005
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12-15-2005 08:53
Now, WHAT was the thread about?
Oh yes...
OK - real punishment, right.
Well, a permaban is near useless, so short of engaging RL hit men to wipe them out (attractive idea though it is), how about stopping all the 'free basic account' crap and making people pay a sizeable deposit (US$500?), returnable after 12 months unblemished record?
Blot your copybook, it costs you RL money... Default and your RL credit record takes a hit...
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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
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Doc Nielsen
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12-15-2005 08:54
I'm in a good mood today  you can tell, can't you?
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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
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Seigmancer Nino
Builder, Engineer
Join date: 24 May 2005
Posts: 150
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12-15-2005 11:17
From: Doc Nielsen Yeah Eggy. I had all that stuff from a Linden who came to 'sort out' (Hah!) my recent griefing attack. The point is, why should I set every parcel I own to 'no build', autoreturn and so on?
And it that's the LL answer to griefing, why are the options actually available?
I mean, why not kill the scripting commands that make grid attacks possible?
SL is as it is and the paying customers shouldn't be forced to compromise because ill considered policies and poor security have combined to attract a bunch of sociopaths. I agree with Doc on this one. There needs to be some sort of auto-shutdown or auto-kill failsafe system which would kill certain script command types. Its very simple actually , heres an example An object is rezzing more then 1000 objects within 2 seconds...... now no normal SL user is doing that no matter how fast they build. there should be an auto delete/kick/ban for the creator/owner. also, people are taking advantage of the paypal account+free account choice. All yuo need for paypal is an email with no verification.. emails are free by the millions. The population of SL has exploded 50,000+ since i joined 5 months ago, the trend seems to only increase the number of griefers/attackers joining. my advice is remove paypal, or go back to. 9.99 accounts so that noob punk kids cannot join unless they steal their mommies and daddies credit cards. |
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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12-15-2005 11:20
From: Doc Nielsen SL is as it is and the paying customers shouldn't be forced to compromise because ill considered policies and poor security have combined to attract a bunch of sociopaths. I think the Lindens sometimes confuse freedom with anarchy. The end result is it often looks like they highly value anarchy. coco |
