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stevie Dingo

:D NO TALKING :D

Join date: 11 Feb 2005

Posts: 18

11-08-2005 10:24

Does anyone know much about "peer review"? - Who are the "peers" and what do they "review"?

Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

11-08-2005 10:26

Shush! We're not supposed to talk about it. It'll get into a whole big mess about politics, courts, judges and juries, the failings of the AR system, player governments and worse. Now you really don't want that, do you?

stevie Dingo

:D NO TALKING :D

Join date: 11 Feb 2005

Posts: 18

For Real!!!

11-08-2005 10:51

Seriously
Does peer review ever lead to anything but permabanning? And if not, then what's the point?
Is there extenuating circumstances that make the review process valid? Or is it just some psychological mechanism to make the fleshbots feel morally fastidious? And why capitol punishment? - why not an exile sim?

Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

11-08-2005 10:52

From: stevie Dingo

Seriously
Does peer review ever lead to anything but permabanning? And if so, then what's the point?
Is there extenuating circumstances that make the review process valid? Or is it just some psychological mechanism to make the fleshbots feel morally fastidious? And why capitol punishment? - why not an exile sim?

Yup. Every one of those has been a thread too.

stevie Dingo

:D NO TALKING :D

Join date: 11 Feb 2005

Posts: 18

sadness

11-08-2005 11:17

What sad times are these when passing ruffians can say "Ni" at will to old ladies.

Chip Midnight

ate my baby!

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 10,231

11-08-2005 12:36

peers means a randomly selected group of your peers. I've taken part in one peer review. I was given the facts of the case and the disciplinary history of the avatar (but not their name or any identifying information) and asked for my opinion on whether they should be permabanned or not. I that case the person had a long history of harassment... mostly racial. I voted to toss them out on their sorry ass.

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www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight

Kris Ritter

paradoxical embolism

Join date: 31 Oct 2003

Posts: 6,627

11-08-2005 13:04

From: Chip Midnight

I've taken part in one peer review. I was given the facts of the case and the disciplinary history of the avatar (but not their name or any identifying information) and asked for my opinion on whether they should be permabanned or not. I that case the person had a long history of harassment... mostly racial. I voted to toss them out on their sorry ass.

OMGFIC!!!

David Valentino

Nicely Wicked

Join date: 1 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,941

11-08-2005 13:16

From: Chip Midnight

peers means a randomly selected group of your peers. I've taken part in one peer review. I was given the facts of the case and the disciplinary history of the avatar (but not their name or any identifying information) and asked for my opinion on whether they should be permabanned or not. I that case the person had a long history of harassment... mostly racial. I voted to toss them out on their sorry ass.

Same here.

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FlipperPA Peregrine

Magically Delicious!

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 3,703

11-08-2005 13:42

I've been invited once in my two years here, but got the email too late...it was during SLCC planning and I was a bit distracted.

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Adam Zaius

Deus

Join date: 9 Jan 2004

Posts: 1,483

11-08-2005 13:44

From: Chip Midnight

peers means a randomly selected group of your peers. I've taken part in one peer review. I was given the facts of the case and the disciplinary history of the avatar (but not their name or any identifying information) and asked for my opinion on whether they should be permabanned or not. I that case the person had a long history of harassment... mostly racial. I voted to toss them out on their sorry ass.

same.

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Masakazu Kojima

ケロ

Join date: 23 Apr 2004

Posts: 232

11-08-2005 18:51

They select a few "random" people and give them a slanted rundown of your disciplinary history and present them with this:

They do not present you with facts. They do not present you with evidence. They do not let the person defend themselves. They say, in such and such month, we banned this person for this reason. That's it.

All this expulsion nonsense is just for show anyway. Our script-stealing friend has been back in Second Life for quite some time. I turned him in. They changed his name from "Douche" to "Doug". (edit: I forgot to mention that he was also permabanned months before the script thefts, too.) The guy who took down the whole grid was also back in the next day. They don't care.

Aurael Neurocam

Will script for food

Join date: 25 Oct 2005

Posts: 267

11-08-2005 21:01

From: Masakazu Kojima

They don't care.

The question is: what is the point of punishment?

If the point is to get the person to stop commiting the "crime", then the goal has been reached. Obviously, the grid hasn't gone down again since Black Sunday, so what's the problem?

Personally, I don't mind if LL lets him back in, as long as he doesn't continue his griefing ways... if he DOES, then it's time for more proactive measures.

Personally, I think everyone deserves a second chance, unless the danger is simply too great to risk that second chance...

in real life, we have the same basic philosophy: criminal justice is supposed to be about reforming the criminal, rather than simply punishing them.

stevie Dingo

:D NO TALKING :D

Join date: 11 Feb 2005

Posts: 18

Specifics

11-08-2005 22:40

SO - I'd asked about this (PEER REVIEW) while thinkng about a very specific case which was resolved by PEER REVIEW today. It was RE: Ryerro Rocco/Ishii Rocco/Silvio Rocco/SLie Fox/Lao Ming/Rogue Gorilla (all the same person) This person was running from 4 to 6 av's at one time (!!!!???!!!) They were my pals and did minimal harm to the landscape - usually of the renegade justice type of thing. They got the PERMABAN. Web justice reminds me of the old west - lynching style. Goodbye friends.

FROM SL

Dear Sir,

After investigating your accounts, the decision has been made to
permanently close them. Disciplinary problems have prompted this
decision.

You will receive a formal letter by registered mail with further
information regarding this decision. In the meantime, please direct all

questions regarding your accounts to: [email]abuse-manager@lindenlab.com[/email].

Thank you.

Linden Lab Support

Second Life Support
Linden Lab
1100 Sansome Street
San Francisco, CA 94111)

TO SL: (
Dear SL,

You are stoopid. I already have other accounts and am bothering ppl. U think you are god - but you are more like poop. (stinky and annoying and prevelant) I laugh at you and I hope you get outdone by smarter ppl. (you know you will - cuz you are stoopid and sad.) I laugh and I think you are like Texas.

Your Palz,

Ryerro/Ishii/SLie/Silvio/Rogue/Lao )

dramaramaringdingdo - you can't kill ppl if they aren't ready to die <3 <3 <3

Morgaine Hathor

I used to be nice.

Join date: 17 Jan 2005

Posts: 17

11-09-2005 06:40

STEVIE!! Say it aint so!!!!

No ISHII..No SLie...No Ryerro????????????

SL is now permanently a suckfest.

I feel like dancing naked in a PG area while singing lurid songs and using my best friend's giant axe!!!!

DAMMIT, WHERE ARE MY ROLLERSKATES AND PIGTAILS?

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stevie Dingo :D NO TALKING :D Join date: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 18	11-08-2005 10:24 Does anyone know much about "peer review"? - Who are the "peers" and what do they "review"?
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	11-08-2005 10:26 Shush! We're not supposed to talk about it. It'll get into a whole big mess about politics, courts, judges and juries, the failings of the AR system, player governments and worse. Now you really don't want that, do you?
stevie Dingo :D NO TALKING :D Join date: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 18	For Real!!! 11-08-2005 10:51 Seriously Does peer review ever lead to anything but permabanning? And if not, then what's the point? Is there extenuating circumstances that make the review process valid? Or is it just some psychological mechanism to make the fleshbots feel morally fastidious? And why capitol punishment? - why not an exile sim?
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	11-08-2005 10:52 From: stevie Dingo Seriously Does peer review ever lead to anything but permabanning? And if so, then what's the point? Is there extenuating circumstances that make the review process valid? Or is it just some psychological mechanism to make the fleshbots feel morally fastidious? And why capitol punishment? - why not an exile sim? Yup. Every one of those has been a thread too.
stevie Dingo :D NO TALKING :D Join date: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 18	sadness 11-08-2005 11:17 What sad times are these when passing ruffians can say "Ni" at will to old ladies.
Chip Midnight ate my baby! Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 10,231	11-08-2005 12:36 peers means a randomly selected group of your peers. I've taken part in one peer review. I was given the facts of the case and the disciplinary history of the avatar (but not their name or any identifying information) and asked for my opinion on whether they should be permabanned or not. I that case the person had a long history of harassment... mostly racial. I voted to toss them out on their sorry ass. _____________________ My other hobby: www.live365.com/stations/chip_midnight
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	11-08-2005 13:04 From: Chip Midnight I've taken part in one peer review. I was given the facts of the case and the disciplinary history of the avatar (but not their name or any identifying information) and asked for my opinion on whether they should be permabanned or not. I that case the person had a long history of harassment... mostly racial. I voted to toss them out on their sorry ass. OMGFIC!!!
David Valentino Nicely Wicked Join date: 1 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,941	11-08-2005 13:16 From: Chip Midnight peers means a randomly selected group of your peers. I've taken part in one peer review. I was given the facts of the case and the disciplinary history of the avatar (but not their name or any identifying information) and asked for my opinion on whether they should be permabanned or not. I that case the person had a long history of harassment... mostly racial. I voted to toss them out on their sorry ass. Same here. _____________________ David Lamoreaux Owner - Perilous Pleasures and Extreme Erotica Gallery
FlipperPA Peregrine Magically Delicious! Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 3,703	11-08-2005 13:42 I've been invited once in my two years here, but got the email too late...it was during SLCC planning and I was a bit distracted. _____________________ Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
Adam Zaius Deus Join date: 9 Jan 2004 Posts: 1,483	11-08-2005 13:44 From: Chip Midnight peers means a randomly selected group of your peers. I've taken part in one peer review. I was given the facts of the case and the disciplinary history of the avatar (but not their name or any identifying information) and asked for my opinion on whether they should be permabanned or not. I that case the person had a long history of harassment... mostly racial. I voted to toss them out on their sorry ass. same. _____________________ Co-Founder / Lead Developer GigasSecondServer
Masakazu Kojima ケロ Join date: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 232	11-08-2005 18:51 They select a few "random" people and give them a slanted rundown of your disciplinary history and present them with this: They do not present you with facts. They do not present you with evidence. They do not let the person defend themselves. They say, in such and such month, we banned this person for this reason. That's it. All this expulsion nonsense is just for show anyway. Our script-stealing friend has been back in Second Life for quite some time. I turned him in. They changed his name from "Douche" to "Doug". (edit: I forgot to mention that he was also permabanned months before the script thefts, too.) The guy who took down the whole grid was also back in the next day. They don't care.
Aurael Neurocam Will script for food Join date: 25 Oct 2005 Posts: 267	11-08-2005 21:01 From: Masakazu Kojima They don't care. The question is: what is the point of punishment? If the point is to get the person to stop commiting the "crime", then the goal has been reached. Obviously, the grid hasn't gone down again since Black Sunday, so what's the problem? Personally, I don't mind if LL lets him back in, as long as he doesn't continue his griefing ways... if he DOES, then it's time for more proactive measures. Personally, I think everyone deserves a second chance, unless the danger is simply too great to risk that second chance... in real life, we have the same basic philosophy: criminal justice is supposed to be about reforming the criminal, rather than simply punishing them.
stevie Dingo :D NO TALKING :D Join date: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 18	Specifics 11-08-2005 22:40 SO - I'd asked about this (PEER REVIEW) while thinkng about a very specific case which was resolved by PEER REVIEW today. It was RE: Ryerro Rocco/Ishii Rocco/Silvio Rocco/SLie Fox/Lao Ming/Rogue Gorilla (all the same person) This person was running from 4 to 6 av's at one time (!!!!???!!!) They were my pals and did minimal harm to the landscape - usually of the renegade justice type of thing. They got the PERMABAN. Web justice reminds me of the old west - lynching style. Goodbye friends. FROM SL Dear Sir, After investigating your accounts, the decision has been made to permanently close them. Disciplinary problems have prompted this decision. You will receive a formal letter by registered mail with further information regarding this decision. In the meantime, please direct all questions regarding your accounts to: [email]abuse-manager@lindenlab.com[/email]. Thank you. Linden Lab Support Second Life Support Linden Lab 1100 Sansome Street San Francisco, CA 94111) TO SL: ( Dear SL, You are stoopid. I already have other accounts and am bothering ppl. U think you are god - but you are more like poop. (stinky and annoying and prevelant) I laugh at you and I hope you get outdone by smarter ppl. (you know you will - cuz you are stoopid and sad.) I laugh and I think you are like Texas. Your Palz, Ryerro/Ishii/SLie/Silvio/Rogue/Lao ) dramaramaringdingdo - you can't kill ppl if they aren't ready to die <3 <3 <3
Morgaine Hathor I used to be nice. Join date: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 17	11-09-2005 06:40 STEVIE!! Say it aint so!!!! No ISHII..No SLie...No Ryerro???????????? SL is now permanently a suckfest. I feel like dancing naked in a PG area while singing lurid songs and using my best friend's giant axe!!!! DAMMIT, WHERE ARE MY ROLLERSKATES AND PIGTAILS?