Yard Sale Listings

I'm having a huge sale in the shop, several other designers have graciously offered to put out several of their things for a discount of 50% or more. This is a ONE TIME DEAL; the sale lasts until midnight Sunday night. Then it's over, no repeat listings week after week after week.

I understand the purpose of the ban on repeated listings. It is to stop a business 'such as a 24 hour casino' (the example given to me by a Linden) from listing their mere existence as an event.

THIS is an event, we spent HOURS preparing for it, it is HOSTED non stop, LOTS of people have been waiting for this sale, and the listings for it were removed.

Yet there are still tons of yard sales still listed today, the same tired listings that exist -every- day, day in, day out, non-stop.

This is NO DIFFERENT from a game sim who lists the SAME game hour after hour after hour. Oh, wait, yes it IS different. THIS event ENDS Sunday night.

It isnt fair to the people who are having REAL events!!!! How can you take down a listing without checking it out first? It's not like Simone is a two bit yard saler, she own a business...Excuse me Linden Gods, but do you guys even play the game that your getting paid to maintain? As a consumer I would be highly upset if I had found out there was a HALF-OFF SALE, and I missed it because someone didnt think the add qualified and took it down.

I think the key word here is 'listings', so I take that as meaning you had multiple listings for one event. If you had ONE listing telling us when it started and when it ended I think you would have been okay. To LL it must look like spamming when there is a listing for your event every hour. If I'm wrong about the mulitple part I'm sorry and it sucks.

A sale and a yard sale are two different things. A yard sale is second hand goods sold by the current owners. A sale is new stuff from the creator/distributor with prices temporally dropped. From the sounds of your post you are not having a yard sale at all and is false advertizing.

Maybe if you had a "50%+ OFF" event it would have been ok.

No, I sure did list it several times, and so did the other participants in it. In order to even be seen in between the plethora of ALL DAY YARD SALE listings (see listings! They're all over the place!) we HAD to list several times.

If the issue at hand is listing an event, then this qualifies, and if you don't believe me, look at my traffic after ONE day. Seems people will show up for an ANNUAL sale of the work of people like Fallingwater and Sherona in droves, and I bet they are damn glad they got a chance to save some money on their favorite designers' work too.

This is not a case of event spamming. This is a ONE TIME A YEAR sale. One time. Three days. Then done. This is not a yard sale with a million freebies being sold at insane prices, this is not the same old tired game of slingotringobingo hour after hour, week after week. Yet THOSE are still listed!

OH just to add- I think coming to the forums about this knowing what the usual responses are seems a bit masochistic!

I didnt list it as a yard sale. I listed it at a 72 hour half off sale.

Well, that's your problem right there, isn't it? Doesn't matter if you spam the listings because everyone else is spamming the listings, you're still... spamming the listings.

Yeah, well, I got called nastier things in my divorce than most people can get away with sayiing in the forums here so I'm not really skeered. *chuckles* But I appreciate the warning

Spamming the listings with 14 Tringo games a day at the same location hosted by differnet folks isnt spamming yet an annual sale is?

Um, no.


The rules were originally created to stop people from listing a BUSINESS as an EVENT. Now, arguably ANYTHING that some of these designers create is an EVENT in itself, given one's tastes. However, a ONE TIME A YEAR SALE certainly IS an event. And since the Lindens can't seem to get a grip around the YARD SALE LISTINGS, they tke mine down? Hmm, sounds like someone WHINED.

Which you say you and other people posted multiple times.

Sorry. If you don't like other people spamming the listings, go report them, or complain about it to LL, or whatever you like. But don't complain when you counterspam because you just HAVE to and then get pulled up for it.

Ok, misunderstood your post. However still sounds like you got of easy. Not saying it is FAIR to pick on you specifically but they have to try and enforce their rules somewhat.


Event Posting Rules
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You may currently post up to 5 events per day (including event edits). In addition, your friends will now be able to post events on a parcel that you own. However, you must set that parcel to show up in Find Places as a Gathering Place. If your parcel is not set up as a Gathering Place, the parcel will not be available to your friends, but will continue to be subject to other availability rules.

To further clarify, you may post an event on a parcel if:

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An event is framed by a beginning and an end time. Thus '24hr Sales' and 'Non-Stop Casinos' are not events.

The 'Commercial' category was created for the purpose of grand openings, demonstrations, product launches etc. Each of these types of events should have a clear beginning and end time attached. Otherwise, they belong in the Second Life Classifieds, not the Events calendar. Posting events that are simply advertisements will not be acceptable.

The use of alts to post more than 5 events per day will not be permitted either.

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Fine.

Come on out and say hello to the people who spent half a day organizing for a HALF OFF ONE TIME A YEAR event.

Hello, event spammers!

/me waves

I urge everyone who wants to keep event listings free to report the events they see that do NOT follow the listing rules. Yes I have seen them cropping back up again as well.

Being a nark sucks and can be time consuming, but if we don't AR the fake 'yardsales' we'll all pay for it. I have seen again in my SIM the same person doing it again and again despite previous warnings *sigh* and other previous offenders are popping up again as well.

With that said, IMO the event Simone has described IS an event because there will be a host the entire time of the event. And she should be able to list the 5 times a day allowed to her just like other places do.

Dont forget the woman who has an event every day at her glorified yard sale/thrift shop...the event? She is restocking!! This is listed every day, sometimes several times per day and is a clear abuse of the events list to circumvent buying a classified ad.

I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out those names. Who are they exactly? And why are they so primadonna?

Think I'll skip it simone, and shop where I know the names.

I agree.
The entire thing doesn't make sense at all. Reading through the forums, someone brought up that Teazers had some 40+ events on, and that iis okay because they are events and hosted yadda yadda.. they are allowed to post same event many times to cater to times zones etc, others are not. Yes they are a huge contributor to SL content, but then so are others.
What do we take from this? Form a group make your place a gathering place and have everyone in your group post events 5 times each? Provided they are legitimate events this is okay? Really I do not know. I suspect that if anyone else did this they would get warnings, suspensions and bannings.
Meanwhile other legitimate event people are disciplined (spam) for running their FIVE events (hosted etc yadda yadda). Take a look at the police blotter from time to time.
I really do not know what the answer is to all these event problems LL seem to be having. the 5x a day seems to be confusing for people, the commercial tab seems to be confusing for people, and there are categories completely missing. Yes people use classified as well as events for their things, but this does not seem to matter either. I see people getting flamed constantly on the forums and accused of trying to circumvent classifieds to get free exposure, yet when you do a check on the classifieds, they have classifieds on.

Sadly probably the best thing for people to do is, if in doubt stay away from the events calendar altogether until all this mish mash mess is fixed, that way one stays out of trouble.

*stands back and waits for the blowtorches and firethrowers to commence*
lol!

For me, I went so I could learn some new names! Sadly I couldn't buy anything even with the half-off price due to me having to pay vender rent the day before...

Hey Jonas - one way to shop for clothes is to look at the clothes first, and then at the designer label, rather than the other way around!

These people apparently have quite a following, whether or not they are known to forum regulars (and I don't know if they are or not).

just one shopper's opinion

coco