What about Dwell?
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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06-11-2006 15:13
I was just thinking. What's keeping people from making 40 alts, and logging them on their land one at a time for 5 mins each? That would register a whole resident's dwell for the day on their lot, then times that by 40. Free dwell! How would they stop this?
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Ketra Saarinen
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06-11-2006 15:22
Isn't Dwell going away entirely in 2 days?
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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06-11-2006 15:51
Dwell payment, but not er... I meant traffic. Sorry. Traffic numbers, not payment.
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Moonshine Herbst
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Join date: 19 Jun 2004
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06-11-2006 16:04
From: nimrod Yaffle I was just thinking. What's keeping people from making 40 alts, and logging them on their land one at a time for 5 mins each? That would register a whole resident's dwell for the day on their lot, then times that by 40. Free dwell! How would they stop this? Why don't you try and see how far it can take you?  Also, what would you do with the traffic numbers? |
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Ananda Sandgrain
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06-11-2006 16:05
Your time would be better spent making waffles. Mmmmmm... waffles.
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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06-11-2006 16:08
From: Moonshine Herbst Why don't you try and see how far it can take you? Also, what would you do with the traffic numbers? Get higher on the popular places list, which would get you better advertising. And I don't need any more alts than I already have, lol. 
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Dismay Wilde
Bleed Designs Owner
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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06-11-2006 16:35
From: Ananda Sandgrain Your time would be better spent making waffles. Mmmmmm... waffles. mmm waffles |
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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06-11-2006 16:40
From: Dismay Wilde mmm waffles Pssh, pie > waffles.
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Eddy Stryker
libsecondlife Developer
Join date: 6 Jun 2004
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06-11-2006 16:54
Why log them on one at a time? Write a little app that spawns 42 threads of libsecondlife, each with a separate alt logged in. Run it 24/7.... profit!
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Joy Honey
Not just another dumass
Join date: 17 Jun 2005
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06-11-2006 17:00
From: nimrod Yaffle Pssh, pie > waffles. How about Pumpkin Pie Waffles? 
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Khashai Steinbeck
A drop in the Biomass.
Join date: 15 Oct 2005
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06-11-2006 17:00
4 alts logged into a spot of land will generate about 3k traffic if left there all day. However, the processing power needed to run those 4 alts on one machine would be immense.
Of course, if you had multiple PC's, this would be doable, but potentially costly.
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Moonshine Herbst
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06-11-2006 17:32
From: Joy Honey How about Pumpkin Pie Waffles? I prefer Norwegian waffles myself. Pumpkin has nothing to do in a waffle. I can have some butter and brown goat cheese on it though  |
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nimrod Yaffle
Cavemen are people too...
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06-11-2006 17:43
From: Khashai Steinbeck 4 alts logged into a spot of land will generate about 3k traffic if left there all day. However, the processing power needed to run those 4 alts on one machine would be immense.
Of course, if you had multiple PC's, this would be doable, but potentially costly. Hey Khashai. The Lindens have stated that if a person spends 5 minutes on a plot of land, then logs out, all of that person's dwell will go to that lot. I can't find the link at the moment, but maybe someone else will post the thread where they explain dwell (traffic). So you could login one at a time and only take up 20 minutes of your day, and it would count as 4 different people spent all day there. I don't think it would be all that immense to have them on one comp, I remember I've tested and I can have 3 on my main computer, and 2 SLs running on my laptop, so there's 5 people I can be at once!
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Khashai Steinbeck
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06-11-2006 18:49
From: nimrod Yaffle Hey Khashai. The Lindens have stated that if a person spends 5 minutes on a plot of land, then logs out, all of that person's dwell will go to that lot. I can't find the link at the moment, but maybe someone else will post the thread where they explain dwell (traffic). So you could login one at a time and only take up 20 minutes of your day, and it would count as 4 different people spent all day there. I don't think it would be all that immense to have them on one comp, I remember I've tested and I can have 3 on my main computer, and 2 SLs running on my laptop, so there's 5 people I can be at once! Well, thats a juicy tidbit of info there. I've noticed that when running more than 2 alts at once, that CPU usage maxes out (with no other resource-heavy programs running). I wonder if it would be better for someone with a dual-core system? |
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Angel Fluffy
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Join date: 3 Mar 2006
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I doubt this happens on a large scale
06-11-2006 22:19
1) Each person can only have 5 accounts, as far as I know, where a 'person' is defined as "a n address" (yes, LL, IIRC, counts all accounts owned by the same household as owned by the same person, because they can't tell otherwise). Thus, in order to have more then 5 accounts, you need multiple addresses (not sure if this changes with the new registration system).
2) In order to have more then 2 accounts (1 basic, plus one on the 7 day "quit before your 7 days are up and you don't get charged) plan, you have to pay money for a premium account. You probably pay more per additional account then you would get back in dwell and sales from higher traffic combined, especially if you needed *lots* more accounts to increase your traffic.
3) LL, I hope, have some script that tracks how many accounts share the same "last logged in from" IP address, and when it gets over a certain number (like, say, 10) - even if those accounts are registered from different physical addresses and from different names, LL investigates. If the IP is, say, from a home, static DSL connection.... the user is in trouble.
I don't *know* these things are true, but I would suspect that it's not economically viable to exploit SL as you are describing, because :
1) if it was, LL would be altering the traffic system to compensate for people doing it
2) there are already (IIRC) lots of ways that SL makes this difficult.
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Io Zeno
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06-11-2006 22:30
From: Angel Fluffy 1) Each person can only have 5 accounts, as far as I know, where a 'person' is defined as "a n address" (yes, LL, IIRC, counts all accounts owned by the same household as owned by the same person, because they can't tell otherwise). Thus, in order to have more then 5 accounts, you need multiple addresses (not sure if this changes with the new registration system).
2) In order to have more then 2 accounts (1 basic, plus one on the 7 day "quit before your 7 days are up and you don't get charged) plan, you have to pay money for a premium account. You probably pay more per additional account then you would get back in dwell and sales from higher traffic combined, especially if you needed *lots* more accounts to increase your traffic.
3) LL, I hope, have some script that tracks how many accounts share the same "last logged in from" IP address, and when it gets over a certain number (like, say, 10) - even if those accounts are registered from different physical addresses and from different names, LL investigates. If the IP is, say, from a home, static DSL connection.... the user is in trouble.
I don't *know* these things are true, but I would suspect that it's not economically viable to exploit SL as you are describing, because :
1) if it was, LL would be altering the traffic system to compensate for people doing it
2) there are already (IIRC) lots of ways that SL makes this difficult. You can create all the alt's you like, you just put in a fake name, an email addy and you are good to go. There are no more "7 day free" accounts, there are just free basic accounts and there is no time limit. |