So this was something new......

i stoped playing sl more or less months ago and have not been in for a very long time, before i left i used to make money selling textures but at one point i desided to give them out for free as i no longer play. every now and then i find a note in my email comming from sl from somone saying thank you or somone wanting to add the textures to collections of free stuff they are giving out. All that is fine and nice reminders of sl.
Once other textures makers sendt me some tell when they found somone sellig off the textures and i had to go in and contact that person. but that i belive got fixed to atleast i had no more tells about it.
Then today i got a reminder of the bad sides of sl.
I woke up and found 9 or 10 msg from the same person telling me off for for giving away my textures for free.
Apperently i am selfish for giving stuff away for free.
And as he/she has a gf in the texture making biz, i seem to be making it harder for her to sell.
and apperently i am giving them away becouse i have a good income in sl and rl and don't need money and other have to make money in sl becouse they can't make it rl......
All i can do is shake my head at this.
I don't know who this persons GF is but i know that if she is good in what she does she will sell. From his msg i can only asume that she relises in rl on money she makes in sl. And if that is the case then i really hope that she is good at what she does. i don't know who she is and so i would not know.

This post might be abit messy at it's really earlie in the morning but i just thought it was sad that even months after leaving sl the drama seems to still reach me.
And as i am not planning to go in on sl i take this oppertuinity to say to this person here..

I choosed to give away my textures for free, you don't like it thought
You don't run sl and you can't tell me what to do in it.....
Don't assume you know me or anything of my life.
If you want to think i am selfish that is fine maybe i am, maybe i am not.
But you had no right to bring any kind of drama into my life.
It is people like you that made me leave sl int he first place
I am sure your gf will do fine in what she does if she has talent.

And i asume i am not the only one being a target of your "you are a terrible rich person msg"
Get a life

You could file an abuse report against that person who harrassed you. But I would just ignore the fool. I make my own textures these days in an attempt to keep my work unique but I also keep a very close eye on all the texture "re-sellers". I call then "re-sellers" because I see so much "theft" of free textures that can be easily found on the web. The "I went and found them so the money is justifying my time" excuse is not valid imho.

Sorry to hear that - it amazes me the audacity people have sometimes. CrystalShard was called a communist for giving away a free item, mostly because it is of such high quality that it makes a bad knockoff version harder to sell for $1500L (though they often try, containing the free script), for example. Sartre said it best - "L'enfer, c'est les autres" (Hell is other people).

When I contacted someone regarding the fact that she was selling a dance device containing some dances of mine that I had not given her permission to sell (and which had been leaked out through a bug/exploit), I was told that I should be thankful for the publicity she was bringing me and to quit complaining. I told her to kindly fuck off and remove my items and abuse reported her for being a jackass. Yes, I have had to live in utter obscurity without the glory of her expert promotion, but I think I will survive.

well, shame on you for giving stuff away for free.

Anyone whose content is so pathetic that its purchase can be obviated by something free gets what they deserve. I'm really sick of people whining about free products that are somehow ruining their bottom line.

Differentiate! And don't harass people who are generous enough to distribute cool goodies free of charge.

Thank you Cris for being such an enlightened person in a world where so many people choose willful ignorance. This sums up my position rather well, and it is why I (and a few others) criticize LL's notion that this should always be ONE world, with ONE community, all forcibly centralized and intertwined.
Guys, give me a break. There is no community. People hate being crammed into the same place with random strangers and all you get out of it is drama, which in manager speak translates to increased support costs.
SL should be more about themes and mobility. Being able to easily move into a community without waiting a month for your land to sell, or establish your own communities and keep the rest of the world out.
This is why private islands are so popular. There's only so many friends you can have, and after the community size exceeds that number, people just want to be left alone.
Right now the map is useless, for it merely depicts geography. There's a thousand-sim strong continent and a heap of randomly scattered islands.
We can't even see at a glance which sims are rated M or PG.
More concretely I want:

- Color coded sim rating overlay, for starters. We had it on the hand drawn maps in 2003!
- Built-in support for Communities, separate from the current group system - groups of loosely connected individual sims or parcels that list themselves as belonging to a certain theme
- Color coded Community overlay on the map with mouseover description
- To keep things in theme, you need to have some membership management mechanism
- Facilitate parcel mobility so as to allow users to progressively aggregate parcel communities into a contiguous region over time
- Facilite the moving of islands belonging to the same Community into closer proximity on the map (right now you charge USD$50 for this, IIRC?)
- Linden would create a few seed communities (say, Sci-Fi, Medieval, etc) where players could list themselves, later adding the ability to create our own community for a price.

i too upload textures. mostly "art" of one sort or another. but i have started uploading textures for water or building as i see ones that appeal to me. i sell them. i give them away. i have been known to give multiple fully mod versions to known builders. it makes me happy to see "my" textures on buildings and gardens. no one has ever complained about my decisions to give or sell my textures. probably because i am a very small business and not much threat to the bigger "stores". i do know that i usually end up selling my textures for less than the upload fee. i only sell the textures to help justify my addiction to uploading anyway, if anyone wants to see any of my textures, search on my name or check classifieds.

you only get one chance at real life. so do it right and be happy.

I completely agree with this sentiment Eggy, it's worth a seperate thread.

I agree with Eggy too - and yes, it does deserve its own thread, as no revamped community structure would prevent the kind of thing this thread was about. People will always find something to complain about, and someone else to blame if they can, no matter how neatly we are split up into communities.

Wow wonders never cease in SL. Being bashed for giving away free textures. LOL talk about gluttony. RL money is involved expect greed to rear its ugly head more often than not, (of course). I would of blocked that email after the first bit of dhrama that person started,.

Perhaps if the majority of sl creators started giving away 50% of their goods for free it would bring about change in SL. That won't happen however because everyone is a little greedy in SL. Nothing wrong with making some pocket change. Just don't let it change your perception of real life like that self-centered louse.

Someone's sig. reads "A business man doesn't make excuses he makes profit." To which I would like to remind ppl the following...

(If we are going to generalize all men then lets also generalize all women in the same fashion.)
"A woman never puts money before love"

Silliness? Undoubtedly! Do what you like, there will be some greedy ppl you encounter. Only way to fix that situation is to IM all your friends not to buy from that person. They will realize soon enough when you use bad business tactics to get ahead, you get left behind.

Well unless of course ppl don't care that the greedy use these tactics.

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Eggy start a thread on that I dig the information and the ideas.

Mar

"Guys, give me a break. There is no community. People hate being crammed into the same place with random strangers and all you get out of it is drama, which in manager speak translates to increased support costs."

hahahahaha! This kills me! I never thought of it that way. So much truth crammed into so few sentences!

coco

P.S. Those sound like very concrete and innovative ideas, Eggy, for implementing what I keep talking about vaguely when I say "Zoned sims are the wave of the future."

Well, I sure don't, Martin! so true! Another good quote!

coco

P.S. Edited to add - course that's also probably why I don't have much money! Not just due to love of one guy, but due to love of one's life's work, of children, of other people, and all kinds of love.

I can understand your pain on this. So sorry to hear that your SL experience was ruined due to the actions of just a few.
**** insert mindless rant/venting here*******

Reminds me of what I encountered in a sandbox once. I was helping a friend out with some minor detail work and decided to update on of my Helicopters in the process other than just stand around there in between things. I was fixing some texture alignments on the main rotor blades when someone asked me if they could have the textures I used in my rotor blades. I politely said no as the textures were created by me and they are only for sale as included with the heli for the heli. This person decided to take it upon themselves and in a nutshell tell me how easy it is to make the rotor blades and that they should get copies because they are just lines. I digress, it may be easy for those with a lot of experience in image manipulation/creation but I spend over 4 hours on each one, ultimatly making 2 textures each. The texters aren't just created, they are hand drawn and measured out using drafting techniqes I learned in college. Then they are scanned in, cleaned up and colored. Once they are colored, I add any special effects for a different look like softglow or other cool filters that make em pop out. The main one is exported out as TGA then it has a radial blur applied to it for the fast look then that too is exported out. Then they are uploaded at 10L$ each. Does that make me a content baron because I love SL and love to make flying craft here and spend a lot of time making my textures so therefore do not give them away or sell them as is?

*** end of mindless ranting/venting***

Sayeth the blacksmith: "My business is ruined - all these newfangled autovehicularmobilewhatzits are cutting into my horsehoes sales! Lets ban all autos!"

With time comes change. With change comes opportunities. And with new opportunities come a slew of people still trying to make a living off the old fading ones.

I'm all for the concept of freebies. If one complains about it cutting into their business, well...maybe they need to change business.


- Newfie

Affirmative!

It is amazing sometimes to see how an asshat thinks. Just ignore him.