banning and paypal

Okay, so I want some clarification on this, and I am just bored enough to ask.

If you can sign up for an account with SL by using paypal...

- Why are there limits on accounts? (seems like you could have a hundred)
- Why do we talk about banning people? (seems like banning is impossible)
- Why do we talk about someone being over 18 to play? (how would anyone know)
- Why does LL imply they know the gender mix of the players? (again how would you know)

Some of these questions work for the credit card approach also, i.e. - they talk about knowing the gender mix of the players, but isnt thae based on a reading of the persons name on the card? (or now paypal account?), and age works the same.

I'm just saying, in th interests of truth and mental health should we really be promoting these erroneous points of view? Aren't we just living a lie, fooling ourselves etc.? Why not just have it said outright on the home page that you can basically do WTF you want and no one at LL can do a damn thing about it?

Also, why as a paying, decent citizen of SL do i have to have the accounts on my card limited, when any idiot 14 year old greifer can have a hundred on paypal?

Edit: not trying to cause problems, someone please correct me if i am wrong here.

Unless things have changed, I believe with paypal you can only have a bank account linked to one pay-pal account.

But you can have many email addresses linked to that one account. Dianne is right in what she is saying.

Two accounts per Paypal last I heard. That was from Daniel Linden.

I imagine they ban the same way, IPs, and also by PayPal account.

Even IP address can mac address can be circumvented. Tbh, there is no way to ensure someone doesn't have a besquillion accounts.

Oh I agree, it's not hard at all. A phone call away really. Or sometimes even as easy as unplugging your modem for a few hours. I never said the methods were effective.

Hehe. Back to the Paypal thing, is there anything that identifies 2 diff email addresses to one account? If so, is the check so easy that it's automated at sign up? ie you CAN'T sign up with more than 2 paypals linked to the same account.

Not sure about that. One would hope that regardless of how many email addies are associated with the Paypal account, there must be some unique identifier beyond email addies that Paypal and their clients are privy to?

Definately Paypal, but are LL? Will I be able to sign up with 3 paypal addresses linked to one account now? Maybe they have put a limit on the number of accounts per IP/mac that can be created with Paypal in the same way they have CC sign ups.

All this talk of limits *twitches*

I can't remember from the signup since it has been awhile, but doesn't the form ask age and gender? That may be what they are basing the breakdown of gender stats on.

I can't think of anything on a cc# which verifies age and gender of the user.

That's what I was thinking as well. I'm pretty sure there was a checkbox for gender, can't recall at all if there was one for age.

A thought on the Banning issue... Considering we can pretty much get around most banning issues if we really want to, it seems to me that a Banning will be most detrimental to established residents. We lose our name, our 'brand' (if we have established one) and our reputations, not to mention our inventory and property. But established residents seem the least likely to get themselves banned anyway.

Yeah definitely it's not coming from the credit card.

yeah.

I guess I am being a bit of a whiner but I am sick, and I'm iritated cause I am at work even though I am sick.

It just kind of bugs me because it seems that if you are a clever and resourcefull young griefer, you can probably *not* be banned at all, yet those of use that toe the line get penalised it seems.

Also, the recent removal of neg rates means that AR's are all that's left, and if no one can (ultimately) be banned, what's the point of even filing a report?

I've completely stopped even thinking of filing an AR for anything anymore.

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The join form asks for date of birth, and also gender - I just checked it out.

You can have 8 email address per paypal account. Each address will appear as a different "paypal accont" but they will all bear the same name, although you can change the name whenever you want with a business account...


8 emails X 2 SL accounts per email= 16 SL accounts.

nope nope nope.

1 PayPal Account. That's it.

won't let you create additional free accounts from the same PP account, even with a different e-mail address.

Just tried it.

So there is some unique identifier per PP account that is something other than the e-mail address or name. Honestly, that's the way I'd do it if I was creating an on-line bank.

And since you can't have a credit card unless you're 18, it's pretty hard for a minor to sneak on without the parents finding out at some point.

nope, nope, nope

It's dead easy to get a credit card under 18 and most parents wouldn't have a clue about a $9.95 paypal charge or anything similar in my experience.

I would suspect reasonably large numbers of underage people get into SL by nothing more crafty than a one time charge on a parents credit card that is just never noticed. Of course it involves lying so of course no kid would do that, right?

I can assure you that it's possible to get multiple paypal accounts that are in no way linked to your real name, address, email etc. I can also assure you it's possible to get multiple accounts on SL without giving LL a single piece of real information. And if you felt so inclined, you could do it over and over and over again.

You cannot permaban someone who does not want to be permabanned. Ban me, I'll be back in SL inside an hour. And I've probably far less resolve to get back in than Johnny Griefer

Heh, which makes me wonder why we have the AR button in the first place.

The point I was unsuccessfully trying to make is that the only solid rl info is the cc# which in no way confirms the persons age or gender. Sure they ask but it's not like you're submitting a driver's license which could verify that the validity of the information which is submitted. Do you think a 16 year old male who enters 21 year old female gets zapped by their keyboard for misrepresenting themselves?