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Lord Sullivan
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09-05-2006 09:13
Human Nature..............

Let's begin with the beautiful woman married to a tall and handsome MAN who looks as though he was born a man ( no traces of "boy" or those days before body hair ). That pretty lady in time, will begin to look with a curious eye at the rich man, even if hes not as phsyically endowed ( and even if she sees him phsyically, as a "boy" ). Nevertheless, she will look at him and wonder what life must be like as a rich man's wife, for she could have that live and she knows it.

One the other hand, the beautiful woman with the rich man, in time, will start looking at the phsyically superior "Hunk" man, even if hes not as financially endowed. Nonetheless she will look at him and wonder what life must be like with a stud, for she could have that also, and she knows it.

Now the beautiful woman with a rich "hunk" has it all, so it seems. She has it all for only a little while, though for HE starts looking at other beautiful women. He could have them all and he surely knows it.

None of this applies to me i hear you thinking, oh but it does. Wether or not you are rich or a hunk or do or dont have a beautifull spouse - and wether or not such actions ( i.e., sleeping with others ) take place, these are the forces constantly at work on relationships. For these are the forces of nature, from which there are no escape. Thos econstant forces, more often than not, win out.

Nature instilled women with a deep drive to mate with the phsyically superior man. Nature also instilled women with the deep drive to mate with the prosperous man also. Nature instilled men with the deep drive to mate with the phsyically symmetrical ( i.e., beautiful ) woman. These are the forces of nature from which no individual human being can escape, no matter how intellectual or moral that human being may be. Wether or not he or she acts on those forces is upto the individual. But the forces are there, always there in EVERYONE.

Those forces constant forces quietly push the happy couple toward becoming distrustful, unfaithful, anxious, insecure and unhappy.

Lets us now shift from romantic relationships to plutonic relationships. Do we really feel love and compassion for our fellow man? To the contary, deep down we hope for faults errors and weaknesses in others. No matter how much we deny it or hate it in ourselves or supress it .... we do secretly applaud weaknesses in others because that lessens the competition for us and our survival. That competitive drive to better our peers is a fundemental force of nature for our survival.

The constant force of nature quietly pushes happy friends, neighbours and co-workers toward hate, spite and envy.

What are we saying about the world we live in? The problem gets even more complicated. Consider now that our lifelong relationships with our livelihoods most often exist for the money and not for the love of ones work or accomplishments. In fact most people go through life despising work, never knowing what they would love doing or that they could even love their work. Seeing work only for financial survival, that powerful force of nature from which there is no escape, results in quiet dislike for work, where we spend a large percentage of our lives. On the grand scale of life, the inescapable forces of nature steadily push us into unhappiness and camoflaged failure.

Lets now look further into the forces of nature, consider that in a society of animals, living together, nature produces leaders. Those leaders, say the silverbacks of the gorilla clans, get treated to the best life, the best food, the best females.

Likewise in our society, the forces of nature produce political leaders, Some individuals are driven to seek power through politics. Others file in, looking toward the political leaders for an economic advantage. In any case, this force of nature that dominates our society, this need for political leaders, pushes society toward oppression, corruption, illusions and guillibility.

How deep do these forces of nature affect us? In our personal lives, we seek attention, ( just read the forums here) everyone does. Just watch toddlers, years before they ever have a romantic or monetary thorught: they seek attention! Its the most basic human desire, from the toddler to the teenager, to the senior citizen. Seeking attention is also a raw force of nature: the animal ( and yes we are just another species of animal) that gets more attention and approval, the popular one, does best in society. However, this force of nature pushes humans toward, EGOTISM and TERRIBLY IMMATURE DECISIONS. You only have to read through these forums to see it in action.

In conclusion, and thanks if you have read this far :) the civilisation we live in today imho pushes us towards distrust, unfaithfulness, anxiety, insecurity, unhappiness, hate, spite envy, failure, oppression, corruption, illusions, gullibility, egotism and imaturity, forgive me if ive missed some out ;) and we cannot escape those forces of nature because we are still, unaturally part of nature.

Although no individual can emotionally escape the forces of nature we can over ride it and shrink it if we want by starting to create values for others and stop looking for the instant gratification that many seem to look towards both here and in the real world.

I leave you with one final thought, Where is the value structure that seperates us from the the animals on this planet and that which makes us human??

Peace
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09-05-2006 09:31
From: Lord Sullivan

I leave you with one final thought, Where is the value structure that seperates us from the the animals on this planet and that which makes us human??

Peace


the answer, as always, is here
Lorelei Patel
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09-05-2006 09:31
Philosopher ... of Gor!

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Ingrid Ingersoll
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09-05-2006 09:31
Is this and infommercial for Zoloft or Paxil?
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Lord Sullivan
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09-05-2006 09:33
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
Is this and infommercial for Zoloft or Paxil?


haha no just a few thourghts :)
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Lorelei Patel
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09-05-2006 09:34
From: Lord Sullivan
I leave you with one final thought...








(Sorry, I just had to, being human and all.)
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Lord Sullivan
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09-05-2006 09:37
From: Lorelei Patel




(Sorry, I just had to, being human and all.)


ROFLMAO and the first link didnt work :)
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09-05-2006 09:40
Aw poo. It was just a pic of Rodin's Thinker.
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09-05-2006 10:01
From: Lord Sullivan
Nature instilled women with a deep drive to mate with the phsyically superior man. Nature also instilled women with the deep drive to mate with the prosperous man also. Nature instilled men with the deep drive to mate with the phsyically symmetrical ( i.e., beautiful ) woman.


Erm... if there's a deep drive to mate, it's not just with the rich or beautiful (though, there are definite perks there, of course).

There's also that drive to mate with:

- your kinda cool apartment-sharing friend of the opposite sex who's drinking now

- that semi-attractive gal at the office who's always leaving openings

- that petite woman that cuts your hair, but secretly enjoys seeing how seduced she can make you whilst doing it

- that perky waitress who isn't a model, but is really awesome and likes you

That's reality, as I observe it.


From: Lord Sullivan
I leave you with one final thought, Where is the value structure that seperates us from the the animals on this planet and that which makes us human??


Value structure? Separating us?

Humans aren't all that different. We talk, we use tools a lot, we have larger sexual organs in proportion to the rest of our bodies than all the other primates. But... values? Gorillas are a lot more mellow than us, and win the 'values' prize, hands down.

I think I'm off to get a haircut shortly, or I'd write some more about all this.
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Trent Marshall
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09-05-2006 10:11
So I'm just screwed (and not in a good way) if I'm poor and ugly?
Aldo Stern
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09-05-2006 10:21
From: Trent Marshall
So I'm just screwed (and not in a good way) if I'm poor and ugly?


If you think THAT's fun, just wait until you're OLD, poor, and ugly.
Aldo Stern
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09-05-2006 10:28
From: Lord Sullivan
Human Nature..............



Lets us now shift from romantic relationships to plutonic relationships. Do we really feel love and compassion for our fellow man? To the contary, deep down we hope for faults errors and weaknesses in others.



Dang. I shoulda known I was in trouble when she told me I was in a relationship with a gal from Pluto...
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09-05-2006 10:36
From: Lord Sullivan
Human Nature..............

I leave you with one final thought, Where is the value structure that seperates us from the the animals on this planet and that which makes us human??

Peace



There is no separation, humans are just animals.

Look at what is going on in the middle east and Africa right now. Animals.

Look at the history of eastern Asia. Animals.

Look at the colonial history of Europe from the 16th through the 20th centuries. Animals.

Look at the entire history of the United States up to and including parts of the 20th century. Animals.

Make no mistake about it, humans are nothing but sophisticated animals. The only thing that makes us different from the other animals is that we have created more efficient ways to brutalize each others.
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09-05-2006 10:50
What each of us seeks in a long term or short term partner certainly isn't as simple as "symmetry" or wealth. (Well, okay, perhaps for the most shallow of us that's all that matters)

I think the internal conflict you describe is one manifestation of a deeper war of priorities between "stability/reliability/security/investment" and "going for the best/surprise/challenge/thrill/excitement". Some people lean more one way or the other.


Part of problem with long term relationships is that we live in a target rich environment. There's potentially someone better just around the corner every day, which can make it harder to really committ to a relationship. And being partnered up for life isn't as much of a survival/success necessity as it was in the days before daycare/appliances/refrigeration/cars/easy financing, etc.

To me, people do a lot of crazy stuff just to puff themselves up. At times it seems like some sort of crazy bird mating ritual gone horribly, horribly wrong.

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Toni Merkur
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09-05-2006 11:29
Happy-happy, joy-joy! *smiles*

Now let's flip that around shall we?

Let's say we have an attractive, athletic, intelligent, wealthy and socially/politically powerful female. What need does she have for any sort of male, hunky or wealthy? None. And yet there are males a-plenty paying attention to her, vying for her company. The idea that nature alone provides the drives for our behaviors is antiquated and erroneous by omission. We are more than our instincts. We are more than our nurture. Those that listen to one or the other are half-conscious, and there are many who are. For those who are more aware, the complexity of human relationships is like taking to the ocean in a small sailing ship.

There are many perils, and certainy hurt or destruction for the ill-prepared or incompetent. But for those who know and understand the potentials both good and bad, the adventure adds so much to the human experience, that the risk is certainly worth the reward.