Neualtenburg RA Meeting Log from 08-21-05

AGENDA:

1. The Budget -
!! The EXPO
A. The MoCA
B. The University
C. The Senate
D. Other Builds

2. The Election system -
3. Recruitment and Events -
4. Other RA Proposals
5. Summary / Conclusions

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Part 1 of 4:

Pendari: before the meeting begins.. if Sudane accepts.. I would like to make a motion that Sudane act as LRA for this first meeting. All RA say yay or nay. =)
Satchmo Prototype: lol
Sudane Erato: lol
Satchmo Prototype: popcorn!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aye on that, Pen :)
Sudane Erato: ooooo k
Sudane Erato: does everyone have the Agenda?
Pendari: err, yes.. aye or nay.. haha
Garnet Psaltery: yes
Sudane Erato: In addition to the agenda
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol - I meant actually that I vote for that proposal :)
Pendari: Eugene, Satch ?
Satchmo Prototype: yes
Eugene Pomeray: yay
Kendra Bancroft: everyone looks so lovely in Modehaus designs --I'm all choked up!
Sudane Erato: the other card in the penguin is the proposed procedures for this august body
Garnet Psaltery: :o)
Kendra Bancroft: I need to make more men's wear
Gwyneth Llewelyn had no time to change :P
Pendari: ok. motion passed. Sudane will be acting LRA for this meeting =) floor is yours Sudane
Sudane Erato: thx :)
Sudane Erato: please note the proceedings proposal...
Sudane Erato: we can vote on that during the week...
Sudane Erato: and if passed by the members...
Sudane Erato: will be effect next meeting
Sudane Erato: until then.. we'll be informal
Sudane Erato: it had been my suggestion to not take any votes today...
Sudane Erato: but there are some urgent matters
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The notecard is basically a copy of the email you sent earlier, right?
Sudane Erato: so... on the matter of the budget... and the expo
Satchmo Prototype: with a modificaiton on the proportions that make up a committe Gwyn
Sudane Erato: yes, Gwyn... revised by Pen and Satch and me
Gwyneth Llewelyn: A yes. Ok.
Sudane Erato: a significant element is that discussions happen here...
Sudane Erato: but votes are taken in between meetings
Sudane Erato: and then published... with who voted for what
Sudane Erato: hopefully that will make for more deliberation
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Wow yes, that's a big change.
Sudane Erato: while keeping events entirely transparent
Sudane Erato: but...
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Kendra Bancroft: and we likes activity
Sudane Erato: that would be for next week....
Pendari: I'm assuming the idea behind that proposal is to give RA members a bit more time to actually "think" about a proposal
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (ty for the pic, Garnet :) )
Sudane Erato: unless anyone would like to discuss those now?
Satchmo Prototype: yea and to solicity public opinion
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
Sudane Erato: exactly
Garnet Psaltery gave you Rathaus 21st August 2005.
Pendari: hehe.. thank you Garnet
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, I certainly need a week to think it over :) My problem is - how will the votes be cast?
Kendra Bancroft: I'd appreciate the matter of the Expo being handled with some speed -- Labor Day weekend would be a great time to have the event
Sudane Erato: well... I have re-constituted the RA Group
Sudane Erato: maybe that will help polling
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah right, Sudane - so, this means I have to leave yet another group :(
Sudane Erato: yes, kendra
Pendari: I think that if we want to adopt those proposals for next meeting, then we have no choice but to discuss them today.. however, I think they could fall under Category 4 in the agenda "Other RA proposals"
Sudane Erato: I agree
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
Sudane Erato: ok
Satchmo Prototype: yea lets kick off the agenda :)
Sudane Erato: so... the Budget/the expo
Sudane Erato: I think everyone whos interested has read my monthly budget reports?
Sudane Erato: so there is a sense of where were at?
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Eugene Pomeray: well we should create an expo commitee...
Satchmo Prototype nods
Pendari: somewhat.. yes.. I think I understand it enough =)
Sudane Erato: is there a proposal for the Expo?
Kendra Bancroft: am I crashed again?
Sudane Erato: hehe.. no
Pendari: no Kendra
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I see you, Kendra :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sudane: not a "proposal" per se, more like some forum discussions, and some in-world discussions as well.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Meaning, we have a place...
Sudane Erato: ok... but I mean a proposal for action
Gwyneth Llewelyn: A rough idea :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No bodget ;)
Sudane Erato: like... to spend how much money?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: or even budget ... ;)
Pendari: as I understand, the RA would be responsible for advertising about the EXPO, but the guild would be in charge of creating it.. So if we had an EXPO committee, it would be strictly for advertising, but would need to work with the Guild to know *what* to
Pendari: advertise
Sudane Erato: sure
Eugene Pomeray: yes
Satchmo Prototype: and determine the budget
Pendari: is that correct?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed, Pen :)
Pendari: right
Pendari: Does the guild have an idea on what costs would be involved with the EXPO?
Eugene Pomeray: so, kendra as the guildmeister, what are your plans for the expo?
Kendra Bancroft: I see it as a more or less a street faire
Eugene Pomeray: hello :)
Garnet Psaltery: hello Yogeswari
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hello Yoge :)
Yogeswari Padar: hi, sorry i'm late :)
Sudane Erato: hi Yogeswari :)
Pendari: hi Yogeswari =)
Yogeswari Padar: hi all!
Pendari: a street faire.. will guildmembers / citizens be selling items?
Satchmo Prototype: so it's gonna be a street fair for Neualt vendors?
Sudane Erato: what action should the RA take regarding it?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (with live music, hehe - I got the DJ for that ;) )
Satchmo Prototype: I think we should make a committe of people really interested in making this happen
Satchmo Prototype: and who can fast track it
Satchmo Prototype: and put together an organized proposal
Sudane Erato: great.... who will work with the Guild?
Eugene Pomeray: yes, i would be interested :)
Pendari: I would propse that the RA set up a budget for advertising, and allow citizens/guild members to sell their items but not be taxed on them by the city.. to recieve full profit so as to encourage the guild to *want* to create as much as they can
Satchmo Prototype: the commitee would work with the guild
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll certainly help with promotion & event handling, although, as you all know, I can't stick 2 prims together
Sudane Erato: poi... we are not taxing now
Pendari: hehe.. shh!
Pendari: lol
Satchmo Prototype: the committee should propose the budget, rules, date, place etc to the RA at our next meeting
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Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway, as a guideline, only citizens will allow to set up their stalls/booths/vendors, right?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh oh - there goes our note taker!
Eugene Pomeray: well i think for the expo we can tranform a building, into the Neualtenburg Information center for the expo and beyond
Pendari: ok.. When is the EXPO scheduled to happen?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *and* Kendra. Whew.
Pendari: I'm actually working on my building for that now Eugene =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Eugene: it was supposed to be held in Altenburg, so, there are some buildings there...
Pendari: that I will leave as a permanent Info/welcome center
Eugene Pomeray: great pendari :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, that's another topic - the info centre.
Eugene Pomeray: yes :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, the proposal should include....
Gwyneth Llewelyn: - when?
Pendari: It was something I wanted to do ages ago, but then had my break from SL.. as a guild memeber and ra member and citizen, I really want to make it a great neautral welcome and info area
Gwyneth Llewelyn: - where? (Altenburg?)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: - who is allowed to participate as seller?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: - how much spent on advertising, promotion, etc?
Pendari: the When is a major thing.. as it lets us know how soon we have to plan the budget
Gwyneth Llewelyn: - how much for the Guild?
Sudane Erato: whew!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, so - after we have a budget :) That sounds good to me.
Satchmo Prototype: that's a good list Gwyn
Pendari: yes.. that is a great list for the proposal Gwyn!
Sudane Erato: sure...
Garnet Psaltery: Sellers ough tto be citizens
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's a list of *questions*, lol
Garnet Psaltery: it is an Expo of the city after all
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, can we agree on that? Only citizens can sell?
Sudane Erato: can we proceed this week.. with the assumption there will be a budget...
Sudane Erato: and then approve it next week?
Satchmo Prototype: so who's interested in being on that comittee?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sounds good, Sudane. But at least we should get a committee working on the proposal, so that we can vote it next week then.
Sudane Erato: yes...
Pendari: I have a question I would like to present about the Budget.. Would it be easier for the RA if we had a set L$ amount per month as what we could use (or whatever length of time) and then divide that amount up among the various items we want to see built?
Sudane Erato: Satch is right
Garnet Psaltery: I'll join a committe if I'm allowed
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, drats, I won't be here next Sunday - but no problem :)
Eugene Pomeray: i'll join as well
Sudane Erato: oooh, I can't be either
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Sudane Erato: Pen, thats a different matter I think
Pendari: What about Saturday?
Eugene Pomeray: welcomke back kendra
Pendari: welcome back Kendra
Sudane Erato: :) wb Kendra
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sadly, I'll be on my 3-day-vacation next weekend :P
Kendra Bancroft: sorry about my connection today --where did I leave off?
Sudane Erato: then lets carry on by email and IM
Satchmo Prototype: and forum!
Pendari: ok Sudane.. I asked the question because I'm not sure how to even begin to decide what project gets what amount if I don't know how much we have to start with.. haha
Sudane Erato: hehe
Satchmo Prototype: lol, actually I meant hte comitte should discuss things on the forum
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe good point
Satchmo Prototype: and I dunno why I can't spell that word
Sudane Erato: techinically, we have no revenue
Pendari: lol
Sudane Erato: but we do have cash
Sudane Erato: so...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm we have a revenue - just below the running costs.
Sudane Erato: life is a risk :)
Sudane Erato: sorry, right
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ;)
Sudane Erato: no net revenue
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sorry to be a pedant :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Garnet Psaltery: there'll be money I'm sure by hook or by crook
Sudane Erato: np :)
Sudane Erato: yes, there is cash...
Pendari: Ok. Does anyone have an idea then about how much we should just state "This is our budget ceiling to be divided among projects we want the guild to work on?"
Sudane Erato: but you must be careful with cash while we lose money each month
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Satchmo Prototype: there are some items, were the sales go into the city coffers still right?
Sudane Erato: Pen... if thats our approach
Garnet Psaltery: well I would suggest other projects have a public subscription attached to them
Sudane Erato: I really feel we must study it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Satchmo - still, we're losing around L$ 10k per month.
Satchmo Prototype: The stiens, and chicken hats
Sudane Erato: for the longer term impact
Satchmo Prototype: yes, but I'm saying we can recover some city revenue at the expo
Satchmo Prototype: the casino should see more action as well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Of course :)
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari: Ok. My main concern is that the guild is going to refuse to build for us if we do not figure out *soon* how much we can offer them
Eugene Pomeray: we need a business commitee L('
Kendra Bancroft: Might I share the guild's plans so you can better judge the price of the EXPO?
Pendari: for now we can deal with individual projects though
Satchmo Prototype: Chamber of Commerce maybe Eugene
Sudane Erato: a financial commiittee would be HIGHLY welcome
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tha would be great, kendra :)
Eugene Pomeray: yes
Sudane Erato: sure
Pendari: yes.. please do Kendra =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, Kendra has a suggestion on how the Guild should work while we can't pay them...
Kendra Bancroft: okay --what I'd like to see is a huge pavillion in the Mrktplatz with architectural models of future builds
Eugene Pomeray: yes! :)
Kendra Bancroft: and smaller tents all through the streets selling Expo only items
Gwyneth Llewelyn: During the EXPO, you mean?
Eugene Pomeray: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah - ok.
Kendra Bancroft: the idea of items that are limited in number being a sales point
Pendari: great idea!
Kendra Bancroft: also free food areas
Sudane Erato: interesting
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What are "Expo only items"? (sorry to be interrupting all the time :P )
Kendra Bancroft: pretzels beer knockwurst
Garnet Psaltery: nice idea - how do we make sur epeople don't get lost?
Kendra Bancroft: expo only --meaning after the expo they will no longer be for sale
Kendra Bancroft: the tents will all match
Eugene Pomeray: yes

Part 2 of 4:

Gwyneth Llewelyn: So the Expo will offer only Expo only items, and no other items at all?
Kendra Bancroft: and they will be clustered around the Platz --but also set up along streets
Kendra Bancroft: So the Guild needs to build matching small tents , a huge pavillion (tent) and architectural models of major builds to come
Eugene Pomeray: well i have booths
Eugene Pomeray: they mght be a it large
Eugene Pomeray: though
Pendari: ack
Kendra Bancroft: there is already a small Schloss model in my toyshoppe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Sudane Erato: Eugene!
Sudane Erato: whew!
Eugene Pomeray: ah great :)
Pendari: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I saw the Schloss model :) It's cute :)
Kendra Bancroft: the idea is to make N'burg a BIG attraction during labor day weekend
Pendari: well.. I would think the current shops could still sell their items.. just the stuff in the booths/tents would be EXPO only items?
Sudane Erato: Great!
Garnet Psaltery: what date is that?
Kendra Bancroft: we need volunteer "event hosts" in N'burg costuming
Pendari: The Expo is on Labor day weekend??
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just for the record for us Euros (we celebrate labour day on May, 1st) - when again is the US Labour day?
Sudane Erato: Sept 3/4
Kendra Bancroft: I'd li8ke it to be
Pendari: *cry*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, thank you
Kendra Bancroft: but it doesn't have to be
Sudane Erato: hehe
Kendra Bancroft: but it should take place over several days
Kendra Bancroft: perhaps even a week
Eugene Pomeray: yes
Garnet Psaltery: wjy then?
Sudane Erato: yes... more days would be better
Gwyneth Llewelyn: A week would be great (I'm thinking *events* of course ;) )
Sudane Erato: sure
Pendari: ok.. as of right now.. I *may* not be here Labor Day weekend.. but that will *probably* fall through and I"ll be able to be here =)
Kendra Bancroft: like I say doesn't have to be --but I'd like a Linden presence here before they judge the german welcome area contest on Sept 9th
Eugene Pomeray: yes
Garnet Psaltery: ah that makes sense
Sudane Erato: ahh, yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, that's *clever*, Kendra ;)
Sudane Erato: and thats another great idea
Eugene Pomeray: maybe even video linden ;)
Kendra Bancroft: that's me --clever
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It surely is, Sudane & Kendra.
Pendari: if I'm here, I'd like to offer to do one of my "original's only auctions" during the event.. but that may be something I need to mention at the guild meeting..
Sudane Erato: hmmmmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahaha
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
Kendra Bancroft: we need exposure --the German welcome area will be good for us, frankly, whether we get the gig or not
Eugene Pomeray: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, in that case, I'd suggest starting the Expo on 3/4 September and go throughout the week until the 9th.
Garnet Psaltery: sounds good
Sudane Erato: sounds good
Kendra Bancroft: I would agree, Gwynn
Pendari: sounds good to me
Kendra Bancroft: and that also gives me enough time to build --if the RA acts quickly
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, the next RA meeting will be held in German, with English subtitles? ;)
Pendari: and I'd be happy to be on any advertising committee =)
Sudane Erato: lol
Pendari: lol Gwyn
Sudane Erato: nooooooooo
Kendra Bancroft: we're already in subtitles silly
Sudane Erato: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That *was* the joke :P
Satchmo Prototype: Kendra is there any financial issues regarding compensating the guild for thier work?
Satchmo Prototype: on the Expo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, anyway - not bad, we have, place, time, some guidelines. Now, budget :)
Sudane Erato: yes
Pendari: Ok. The EXPO is not going to be a lasting build. Therefore, I would propose that the budget for it mostly include the cost of the tents and the advertising?
Kendra Bancroft: we should pay event hosts --and cover time and texture costs
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Agreed, pen.
Pendari: oh yes and hosts
Sudane Erato: makes sense
Kendra Bancroft: The RA should as tourist board take care of adverts
Pendari: true
Satchmo Prototype: indeed
Eugene Pomeray: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok
Pendari: we may not even have to budget for the advertising if we leave it strictly to the RA
Kendra Bancroft: The Guild just makes it all pretty
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :-D
Kendra Bancroft: and we should set up a donate to the city fountain
Satchmo Prototype: Pendari, maybe a citizen action group could help advertise
Pendari: yes.. great idea Kendra
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm good idea!
Kendra Bancroft: in the middle of the platz
Eugene Pomeray: yes, i think we should have city gardens as well...
Pendari: that is a good idea too Satch! A volunteer committee of citizens outside the RA that would like to help advertise voluntarily
Kendra Bancroft: it would be easy enough for me to build a fountain "tip jar"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Satchmo, I agree. Anyway, there is "informal advertising", which is called "evangelisation" :) and is for free.
Satchmo Prototype: I think the RA should stick to free advertising methods
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But there are other types of advertising... at SL Exchange, at Metadverse, the SL messenger or whatever that newspaper is called....
Pendari: haha.. well.. I know it will be in my forum sig.. as I'm a posting fiend :-p
Sudane Erato: that would be great, if possible
Satchmo Prototype: and allow outside citizen groups to spread the word when it costs money
Kendra Bancroft: the best thing about the fountain is that the dollar amount is transparent --and the money goes to the fountain instead of an individual
Eugene Pomeray: i'll help pay for the advertisements :)
Garnet Psaltery: who empties the fountain?
Pendari: I like that idea Kendra
Sudane Erato: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm, I think I can exchange "work"for some ad space in the newspapers, at least...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I just need someone to make a nice banner for me :)
Kendra Bancroft: If the City has no objection --I'd like the fountain to be set up to deliver donation to the Guild for infrastructure
Kendra Bancroft: and let the Guild set it up in the platz
Pendari: and I can get some of my DJ friends to probably mention it on air some! and if we get some signs, I'm sure I can get a few friends to put them in their shops (as I've done for them in the past) =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm, I object, actually - that way, we cannot list that income in the overall accouting system.
Garnet Psaltery: will the maypole come down to make room for it?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That would be awesome, pen :)
Kendra Bancroft: It's Guild income --the Guild would pay a tax on the fountain
Sudane Erato: well, the Guild paying a tax would be irregular
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, hmm - well, perhaps, Kendra. Let me think a bit on that.
Satchmo Prototype: we can give it to the city as city revenue from the fountain
Satchmo Prototype: and pay the guild 100% of that revenue at the beginning of every month
Satchmo Prototype: so it shows up in the ledger
Kendra Bancroft: It would be clearly marked
Pendari: the guild paying tax doesn't *have* to be irregular though =)
Eugene Pomeray: this is a werid idea, but it is possible ... how about german folk dacing (or some other active event) every sunday in the platz to attract visitors
Garnet Psaltery: nice idea Satchmo
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But kendra was suggesting an easy way to get the Guild some direct income, which I don't oppose as a principle.
Sudane Erato: I agree
Kendra Bancroft: The city gets a beautiful fountain
Pendari: I agree
Sudane Erato: Satch's idea is good
Kendra Bancroft: I could easily just do this in Altenburg
Sudane Erato: sounds bureaucratic... biut it makes sense
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I prefer Satchmo's approach, actually.
Kendra Bancroft: But I offer this to the City so they can get taxes
Sudane Erato: sure..
Garnet Psaltery: I think there'd be more room for dancing outside the Platz
Satchmo Prototype: I don't even think the city should take taxes
Kendra Bancroft: If I set up the same fountain in Altenburg --I'd be tax free
Garnet Psaltery: th fountain belongs in the platz traditionally
Satchmo Prototype: 100% to the guild
Satchmo Prototype: but the city has to start paying the guild
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It does.
Eugene Pomeray: yes
Kendra Bancroft: How about this
Pendari: I'm thinking a fountain in the platz would be a great addition to the city
Satchmo Prototype: yea that's certain, a fountain would rock :)
Eugene Pomeray: yes :)
Sudane Erato: hehe
Kendra Bancroft: The Guild collects 100% of the donations oin the price of a fountain build --until it meets it's price for the build
Kendra Bancroft: then it reverts to the city
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That is a *great* suggestion!
Kendra Bancroft: and the city can collect
Sudane Erato: well, that makes perfect sense
Garnet Psaltery: yes
Pendari: I can agree to that!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye on that ;)
Satchmo Prototype: me too
Satchmo Prototype: aye
Eugene Pomeray: me too :)
Kendra Bancroft: great!
Garnet Psaltery: can we have a good number of prims for the fountain so it looks excellent?
Satchmo Prototype: ok so we set the foundation for a Expo Comittee to run away with this
Kendra Bancroft: I promise the City will gain a beautiful beautiful fountain
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now, as the fountain will cost L$35,053,177 to build... that means... hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Sudane Erato: lol Gwyn
Sudane Erato: very precise :)
Pendari: lol Gwyn
Kendra Bancroft: The fountain will actually cost 10K
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And 2 Linden cents ;)
Pendari: hehe
Kendra Bancroft: It's gonna be scripted
Sudane Erato: 10K is good
Pendari: I can't wait to see it! =)
Garnet Psaltery: I'mhoping we can have a proper statue on the top
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok - it's great that Kendra is not always joking, unlike myself ;) Ok 10 K is fine.
Sudane Erato: of who ?
Kendra Bancroft: I've already been working on a statue of Bavaria
Satchmo Prototype: is the Tini city permenant?
Satchmo Prototype: lots of prims in the Platz already
Sudane Erato: who was Bavaria?
Satchmo Prototype: but it's obviously the spot for a fountain
Garnet Psaltery: well ffountains have a statue on teh top usually I believe
Eugene Pomeray: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm yes, that's a problem indeed. But the Tiny City attracts visitors...
Satchmo Prototype: still?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: As for the statue... hehehe.... wellllll
Pendari: we should make a statue of OMG! I fogot his name.. the Linden who helped us get started on the project
Sudane Erato: I'd like to see the Cupids peeing in the water
Kendra Bancroft: That's the beauty --I can work very low prim
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Haney Linden.
Kendra Bancroft: I'll keep the fountain well under 50 prims
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Sudane :)
Satchmo Prototype: sweet
Sudane Erato: :)
Pendari: lol
Pendari: there ya go
Eugene Pomeray: excellent
Satchmo Prototype: ok moving along the agenda?
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Pendari: Expo covered for now?
Sudane Erato: well.. the next agenda items are various builds
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Uh - btw, have we all the names for the committee on the Expo yet?
Eugene Pomeray: well for the expo and the liinden contest i propose a Neualtenburg Beautification project
Kendra Bancroft: as soon as the RA votes me a budget --I'll get to work on assigning guild members tasks
Sudane Erato: shall we ask to receive actual proposals... with budgets, for them?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I would prefer that, Sundane.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *Sudane
Gwyneth Llewelyn: pfft
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shakes head*
Kendra Bancroft: excellent idea, Sudane
Pendari: sounds good Sudane
Sudane Erato: hehe...
Pendari: start with the EXPO budget
Pendari: hehe
Kendra Bancroft: I'll work up costs on the tents and pavillions
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, Kendra.
Sudane Erato: the expo budget... we must have a proposal
Sudane Erato: can't make it up
Kendra Bancroft: obviously the small tent is just step and repeat
Pendari: true
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that you should definitely be part of the committee as well, Kendra....
Sudane Erato: yes, of course
Kendra Bancroft: But the Pavillin should be grande
Pendari: Kendra.. can you get an expo propsal cost before the end of this meeting? haha
Eugene Pomeray: yes
Kendra Bancroft: actually --I could
Sudane Erato: good
Eugene Pomeray: :D
Pendari: ok.. then we could budget for the other builds in the meantime =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, wonderful :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, we can move on... :)
Sudane Erato: yes
Kendra Bancroft: :::::working on budget::::::::::
Gwyneth Llewelyn: A. The MoCA?
Sudane Erato: hehe
Eugene Pomeray: we cul d have benches around the city
Eugene Pomeray: it would be inexpensive

Part 3 of 4:

Satchmo Prototype: Eugene lets move beautification to D. Other builds
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Sudane Erato: well, I propose that the other buildings have proposals brought to us
Eugene Pomeray: ok
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, that sounds also a good idea ;)
Pendari: I thought the propsal's already existed?
Sudane Erato: in the form proposed by the Procedures
Sudane Erato: do they?
Pendari: just a matter of us deciding how much we want to pay for them
Kendra Bancroft: If the RA submits to the Guild a request for needed buildings --I could work up an estimate for consideration
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm, if they do... where are they?
Kendra Bancroft: and a timeline
Satchmo Prototype: Kendra has work started on the MoCA already howerver?
Pendari: ok.. nm.. haha.. I know the builds are being worked on.. but that is not the same :-p
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm, it's been stopped.
Kendra Bancroft: I stopped work on MOCA
Kendra Bancroft: I'm still technically on strike
Sudane Erato: ahhh
Pendari: Kendra stated: Kendra Bancroft: If the RA submits to the Guild a request for needed buildings --I could work up an estimate for consideration
Kendra Bancroft: I've been building "Isenland" a city in Takalo
Satchmo Prototype: but you don't want us to come to you with requirements for that?
Sudane Erato: I feel the issue of public vs private ownership must be discussed
Pendari: I think that is a good idea
Pendari: err, what Kendra suggested
Sudane Erato: proir to solicitimng any Build proposals
Pendari: gah.. my responses won't make sense if I don't post faster
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, I think it's time we work on that, Sudane. If not, we can ask the people who suggested all the builds to put their proposals, and submit them first to Kendra for budgeting, and later to the RA for voting....
Kendra Bancroft: Even private builds need Guild approval, Sudane --if they are in the walls of the city
Pendari: What does the RA think of this suggestion?
Pendari: Kendra Bancroft: If the RA submits to the Guild a request for needed buildings --I could work up an estimate for consideration
Kendra Bancroft: there are frankly many builds already, I as Gildemeister dissapprove of
Sudane Erato: well, kendra.... not really true
Pendari: would that qualify as the guild being able to create a proposal for us?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It sounds good, Pendari, but, as Sudane pointed out, we should work the "model" of submission.
Kendra Bancroft: No, Sudane --very true
Sudane Erato: hmmmm
Kendra Bancroft: it's in the Constitution
Sudane Erato: private land in the city...
Pendari: right.. but we moved that to the OTHER RA PROPOSALS section of todays agenda.. I thought this meeting today was more informal
Kendra Bancroft: private land must still meet the covenant --no?
Sudane Erato: the constitution was written before the current land ownershiop arrangements
Sudane Erato: yes! it must meet the covenants
Sudane Erato: but they do not include the guild approving all builds
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe that's no real excuse, Sudane :) I mean the US Constitution was written before there was an Internet, and it handles the Internet nicely ;)
Sudane Erato: on private land
Kendra Bancroft: and which branch of government, according to the constitution, jusges whether or not a build meets the covenant?
Sudane Erato: thats a good question
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What I mean is that the Guild has the right to judge the builds in the City...
Pendari: I go by the Constitution, if there is something other than that because of the Land Deed stuff, it seriously needs to be brought forth
Sudane Erato: it is a concern
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It just works as the authority for city planning, whatever that is called
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It = the Guild
Pendari: sorry, I don't mean that to be harsh.. I just want to be informed so I can make true information and contributions =)
Kendra Bancroft: The I will just hand out guild badges for display on stores that meet Guild approval --they may choose whether or not to display them
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree with you, Pen.
Pendari: Well, the guild to me is our protection that builds inside the city will conform to our policy standards
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm, that's an interesting idea, Kendra :)
Kendra Bancroft: exactly, Pendari
Sudane Erato: if the guild will police the covenant standrads
Kendra Bancroft: so if a build isn't Guild approved --at least it's aesthetics won't be judged as Guild work
Pendari: even private land inside the city (and by the way how is that possible??) should to me fall under the guild policies for theme
Sudane Erato: then it seems to me that the guild will need to show its standrads... who it will judge
Kendra Bancroft: exactly, Sudane
Sudane Erato: how it will judge, sorry
Garnet Psaltery: I agree with covenant standards of cours e- I'd find it helpful to know which are good examples
Sudane Erato: remember, this is private land we are talking about
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pendari, there *is* private land in the city already!
Kendra Bancroft: I don't want poor builds to reflect on the Guild
Sudane Erato: the GUILD was conceived as an entity to create public property
Pendari: yes Gwyneth.. but I have no idea how that is possible.. hehe.. I don't know how land gets to be private I mean =)
Kendra Bancroft: It's voluntary --like the Comic's Code
Sudane Erato: hehe... you buy it Pen
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I meant the houses for now... they're private, but the façades are Guild-approved and cannot be changed.
Pendari: how is it different than the Deed?
Sudane Erato: I don't agree with that Gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That *is* the Deed :)
Pendari: ok.. so then I have private land because I hold two deeds?
Sudane Erato: not that the facades are Guild approved
Sudane Erato: yes Pen
Gwyneth Llewelyn: They are not?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But they should be ;)
Sudane Erato: not in the covenants
Pendari: I read that the restrictions on builds inside the city are more strict due to keeping the theme
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
Sudane Erato: ahhhh
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes.
Sudane Erato: exactly
Satchmo Prototype: Kendra, I like the idea of having a guild logo on things the guild makes
Satchmo Prototype: and it's not hard for someone to build there own strcuture and work with the guild
Pendari: well who else besides the guild would be responsible for deciding what is and is not approvable?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, I see. So the issue is only who "interprets" what the "theme" is?
Satchmo Prototype: and have teh help and approval of a meister
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Pendari - my point exactly.
Sudane Erato: Tes, that makes sense..
Kendra Bancroft: there --they can just display them in their stores
Sudane Erato: but the issue of standrads then becomes very important
Pendari: I would not argue otherwise =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It does.
Garnet Psaltery: is this badeg available as a single-sided item as well?
Garnet Psaltery: Hello Dianne
Dianne Mechanique: hello all :)
Kendra Bancroft: there's one on the floor
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hiya Dianne :)
Pendari: my other worry would be.. if people can just go outside the guild.. how would we budget.. because then we would have artists in direct competition with the guild
Garnet Psaltery: kendra, is this necessarily box-shaped?
Pendari: hey Dianne =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pfft Kendra, you missed the N in "Neualtenmburg" :P
Pendari: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oops and I put an extra M
Eugene Pomeray: hello dianne L(
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
Sudane Erato: hehe
Pendari: haha
Kendra Bancroft: Hiya, Dianne
Dianne Mechanique: waht are we talking about?
Eugene Pomeray: brb, need to relog
Dianne Mechanique: box?
Kendra Bancroft: No --I'm just lazy --it would be flat like a decal
Satchmo Prototype: private property
Garnet Psaltery: oh I see :o)
Garnet Psaltery: it looks lovely
Satchmo Prototype: I like it as well Garnet
Pendari: ok.. what about asking the Guild Meister for a list of standards. And we could take that proposal into the RA and discuss making it a bill?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Private property, and the role of the Guild approving buildings inside the City walls.
Sudane Erato: good Pen
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Whew, whew, Pen, the SC won't like that.
Sudane Erato: hehe
Pendari: I hate the thought of ammending the constitution, so a bill would allow us some flexibility
Kendra Bancroft: I can do that
Kendra Bancroft: for one --too many scripts
Sudane Erato: the standrads must be enforced all over, not just inside
Kendra Bancroft: it lags the marktplatz
Gwyneth Llewelyn: because the aesthetical principles for the buildings are the province of the Guild, not of the RA
Garnet Psaltery: yes!
Pendari: The SC may be more in favor of a bill than anything touching the constitution though Gywn =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, there is nothing to prevent the RA to make *suggestions* :)
Garnet Psaltery: lag city
Pendari: I agree Sudane
Kendra Bancroft: There is also nothing preventing the Guild from deciding what is or is not a Guild approved structure
Satchmo Prototype: Kendra I could help write scripting policies
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah yes, Kendra - I think that both the Secret Tiny City and the Casino have too many scripts:P
Pendari: true Kendra
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And precisely, Kendra.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No matter what the RA says :P
Pendari: lol
Kendra Bancroft: I would appreciate that, Satch
Garnet Psaltery: what worries me about the tiny city is that it is what people think is there when they arrive at the hub
Satchmo Prototype: as a guildmember for the guild of course I mean
Kendra Bancroft: I know, Satch --we'll talk about that at the Guild meeting
Sudane Erato: Can we resolve this topiC?
Pendari: really? I always see the church first when I hub in
Sudane Erato: hmmm
Garnet Psaltery: I mean the location at trhe top of the screen
Satchmo Prototype: Sudane break it down into smaller bits
Pendari: Ok. Sudane
Kendra Bancroft: that's another thing --I'd really like to knock down the prim count on that church
Kendra Bancroft: It's insane
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh no, you too, Kendra :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn *rolls up her sleeves*
Sudane Erato: we need these things as proposals
Pendari: haha.. yeah.. but I guess we can bring that up at the Guild meeting
Kendra Bancroft: I can make it look better with half the prims, Gwyn
Sudane Erato: a free-ramging discussion will not accomplish action
Kendra Bancroft: and you wouldn't even notice
Garnet Psaltery: what is the topic?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I've heard many architects saying the same, Kendra ;) But yes, let's talk it over at the Guild meeting...
Satchmo Prototype: I agree Sudane
Pendari: Yes. The RA needs to give the Guild a list of the builds we need budget propsals for
Sudane Erato: yes, thats one
Sudane Erato: 2
Sudane Erato: that there be stabndards developed by the guild to apply to private builds
Kendra Bancroft: yes --and I'm asking the RA to consider a church refit in the proposal
Sudane Erato: and 3
Pendari: noted Kendra
Sudane Erato: that the discussion of private vs public land be held
Sudane Erato: ie should the MOCA be private, etc
Sudane Erato: thats 3 topics
Kendra Bancroft: MOCA private?
Kendra Bancroft: why?
Garnet Psaltery: I'd like to subscriptions for builds liek the MoCA
Garnet Psaltery: to see
Pendari: Ok. The first .. We need a list of builds to give the Guild so they can give us proposals.
Sudane Erato: that an interest group, under frnchise from the city, own the MOCA
Pendari: Someone in the RA want to make a notecard as we list the builds?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, it's part of the MPP's program, Kendra ;)
Sudane Erato: its a proposal
Kendra Bancroft: again --why?
Sudane Erato: to be discussed
Kendra Bancroft: I don't see why you would disenfranchise the Guild that way
Sudane Erato: this is not the time I suggest we discuss this
Garnet Psaltery: I see it as a way to provide quality builds without asking a lot of money from poorer individuals
Kendra Bancroft: This IS the time
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm, the MoCA being private does not "disinfranchise" the Guild in any way, since it's highly likely that only the Guild will build it, not run it.
Kendra Bancroft: it's at the heart of my strike
Dianne Mechanique: isnt the issue about running the Moca not building it privately>
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I also agree with Kendra, we *should* decide upon the model.
Sudane Erato: the overwhelming requirement of the City is to generate funds to survive
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Dianne.
Pendari: I personally think it should be up to the guild to take propsals from private interest groups to run the _MoCHA. That Group would fall under the guild until the MoCA because the property of the city. At which time the City could try for a different
Sudane Erato: the proposal to "privatize" some areas goes to that purpose
Pendari: interest group, or work on a budge for the current group running it
Sudane Erato: a group will have it in their interest to generate the funds for their land
Kendra Bancroft: No! The MOCA is an art's center --and you would deprive N'burg's own citizens of haviung the only art's center in N'burg go to private interests
Sudane Erato: that is the "why"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hey, Pen, that's not what your party's program says ;)
Kendra Bancroft: I can't even understand the logic

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Kendra Bancroft: It's an insult to the artist citizens of N'burg and the Guild
Sudane Erato: please
Kendra Bancroft: it's like you think we're just construction crew
Dianne Mechanique: maybe the MPP should make a concrete proposal
Dianne Mechanique: and we discuss it then
Kendra Bancroft: don't "please" me
Garnet Psaltery: I don't see it that wayu
Sudane Erato: exactly
Sudane Erato: thats what I proposed
Sudane Erato: which is why it is not ready to be talked about
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm
Pendari: Well Gwyn.. I like the ultimate goal of that.. but I still want it to fall under Guild before it becomes a private person running their things
Garnet Psaltery: I'm thinking of a long tradition in the UK for example of the general public giving money to a project for the use of all
Kendra Bancroft: That's like saying we should have the RA be private owners
Eugene Pomeray: sorry, back
Kendra Bancroft: and outsource the government
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I was just teasing you, Pendari ;) That was just a political maneuver ;)
Kendra Bancroft: Either this government is for it's citizens first --or it isn't
Garnet Psaltery: I agree it is - I am only concerned that people without uch money shold nt have to fork out a lot for evetything
Sudane Erato: these are slogans
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, in any case, the SDF, which doesn't have a majority, will never agree to have in-wall city structures run by anyone who isn't a citizen
Kendra Bancroft: and if it MUST be private --thn I would least hope that the RA gives the Guild first refusal on ownership
Kendra Bancroft: The Guild can buy it as a corporation
Sudane Erato: ahhh, that would be interesting...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That is more like it.
Garnet Psaltery: yes
Garnet Psaltery: it certainly shoul dbe a matter for citizens only
Sudane Erato: then the Guild will pay the monthly fee for it
Pendari: for the record, I would say that I think the MPP does seriuosly need to get together and hash over the platform. There was not a *ton* of time before the election. And I agree with Sundane and other MPP members that our platform is something we will
Sudane Erato: like everyone else
Pendari: discuss not at this meeting =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I will also insist a bit that *any* group owning "privatized" infrastructure has at *least* one Guild member.
Kendra Bancroft: I'll bring the idea to the Guild
Garnet Psaltery: so what has been decided?
Kendra Bancroft: But I do hope that the RA gives The Guild first refusal
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So do I.
Neoteny Hermes: Eugene is sitting on top of the clock, if anyone is interested.
Sudane Erato: I suspect I do too
Garnet Psaltery: time out?
Kendra Bancroft: it vibrates every fifteen minutes
Pendari: LOL
Sudane Erato: hehe...
Pendari: may I request a 5 minute recess?
Sudane Erato: sure
Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, this also means that the RA has to set in their budget how much return it expects to have from several structures, and that is for me the key issue (since it means budgeting for what we want to have in the city)
Pendari: and good point Gwyn!
Garnet Psaltery: good idea
<snip of non-related chatter while recessed>
Kendra Bancroft: in the meantime --The Guild can set up the infrastructure of the EXPO for 5K plus 10% of the gross
Kendra Bancroft: But is needed for the City --badly
Sudane Erato: Kendra, how will the transactions happen... ie the 10%?
Kendra Bancroft: honor system is good enough for the Guild
Sudane Erato: the vendors will all be private?
Kendra Bancroft: If we can set up City vendors all the better --but Ulrika would need to do that
Sudane Erato: yes, she would
Kendra Bancroft: aand I think she's in baby land
Sudane Erato: yes
Kendra Bancroft: I'm a gypsy
Garnet Psaltery: have we started again?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Pen is not back yet....
Sudane Erato: so... I can certainly agree with that budget
Eugene Pomeray: may i ask what i am stuck in
Dianne Mechanique: anyone know if ulrika is acaully in the hospital?
Dianne Mechanique: or having the baby?
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't know, but she's due any day now...
Kendra Bancroft: The private Guild treasury is kept by my alt "Sissie Maracas"
Sudane Erato: ok
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Is Pen back?
Sudane Erato: Kendra, we should have a little document...
Sudane Erato: the Rudeen cab "Pay" Sissie
Kendra Bancroft: I agree, Sudane
Pendari: back.. sorry..
Pendari: can I request the floor for a minute?
Sudane Erato: sure
Kendra Bancroft: Or I can just set up a tip jar that keeps the money displayed
Pendari: I would really like to give my nutshell opinion which I think stands behind the RA, The Guild, the Constitution and my party..
Pendari: On this issue..
Kendra Bancroft: and you can pay the tipjar
Pendari: I think the guild should set the standards as we talked about earlier. A proposal of those standards to be presnted to the RA..
Kendra Bancroft: I have one that actually holds the money until an authorized owner empties it
Pendari: I also think that any builds deemed by the RA as absolutely needed by the city should be done by the guild
Pendari: However, I think any other builds not deemed NEEDED can be private run as long as they fall under the approved standards
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Sudane Erato: good
Kendra Bancroft: agreed, Pendari
Garnet Psaltery: agree
Pendari: I think this would allow the city flexibility and not compromise the guild
Honey Ingmann: personally i think sims that are zoned and have coordinated bulding look so much better than the ones that don't
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh yes, I can definitely agree on *that* :)
Kendra Bancroft: TY, Honey
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (and I agree with you, Honey, hehe - or I wouldn'+t be here at all :) )
Honey Ingmann: : )
Kendra Bancroft: I'm just pissed that everyone looks better in my clothes than I do
Honey Ingmann: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Pendari: I honestly think in that way we can combine the deeds, the private ownership "I want to be my own business person", the look of the sim, and the needs of the city by the RA all in one
Sudane Erato: thats great Pendari...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
Pendari: whew.. thank you for letting me get that out =)
Sudane Erato: can we all agree on her motion?
Garnet Psaltery: yes
Kendra Bancroft: yes --I agree, Pendari --that's marvelous
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Aye on that.
Sudane Erato: great...
Satchmo Prototype: Aye
Kendra Bancroft: I can't vote on the motion --but "Aye" in spirit
Pendari: hehe
Sudane Erato: I propose that we adjourn and continue at the enxt emmeting
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ;)
Sudane Erato: the Guild mtg is in 30 min
Kendra Bancroft: good --that gives me a half hour break before the Guild meeting
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Kendra Bancroft: In the Gasthaus next to the canal
Yogeswari Padar: sudane, can anyhone attend the guild meeting?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I disagree on the proposal, but I'm just one vote ;)
Kendra Bancroft: anyone
Sudane Erato: thats Kendras question
Pendari: I would say aye Sudane.. but I think we need to assign someone to collect a list of builds by the RA to go ahead and give to the guild so that we can get them working on proposals before the next meeting?
Satchmo Prototype: yea no real voting happened today
Sudane Erato: hmmmm
Kendra Bancroft: The Guild is open to all citizens of Neualtenburg
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thanks pen. I actually wished to have that decided as well.
Satchmo Prototype: just show of support
Yogeswari Padar: good, thanks :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I disagree, Satchmo :P
Sudane Erato: i think the list needs to be discussed
Satchmo Prototype: though we decided we wern't voting today, lol
Sudane Erato: well, we did
Pendari: lol
Kendra Bancroft: discuss away --but we have agreed on the EXPO budget yes?
Sudane Erato: but todays proceedings are informal
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, Sudane, but we should set limits. I mean, in one week, with 17 or so people, we can come up with 2,000 proposals and ideas :P
Kendra Bancroft: and the dates?
Gwyneth Llewelyn seconds Kendra's questions!
Sudane Erato: Kendra, yes...
Sudane Erato: I think we have
Pendari: I propose the builds in the agenda be the only ones we vote on today
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope there is no "yes, but..." in there.
Pendari: as to just going on the list for the Guild
Garnet Psaltery: what's left int eh agenda?
Kendra Bancroft: when the RA decides on the dates --I will at least amend my EXPO poster
Pendari: you can get a copy of the agenda from the penguin =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Left: the election system, recruitment & events...
Kendra Bancroft: so e-mail me with that decision when it's reached
Sudane Erato: the dates you have suggested are good ones
Pendari: haha.. look at all the streams
Kendra Bancroft: okay --I'll go with those
Garnet Psaltery: rather too muhc for today perhaps>?
Sudane Erato: I think thats safe... there are no disagreements
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
Pendari: yes.. I say lets stick with those dates.. we need *something* to be definite.. hehe
Sudane Erato: :)
Sudane Erato: yes
Sudane Erato: and the budget is good too
Kendra Bancroft: great
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I agree again that we have agreed on the dates before, and so don't need to agree any more on that. Agreed?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ;)
Kendra Bancroft: Now I have a second topic for the Guild meeting :)
Satchmo Prototype: I agree Gwyn :)
Garnet Psaltery: Sudane what do you think we can cover now?
Pendari: ok.. can I propose that since most can not be here next week. that the RA spend the next couple of days in emails discussing the builds on the Agenda for which ones we want to get proposals from the guild on?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sounds reasonable, Pendari.
Sudane Erato: yes Pen
Pendari: and get a definite vote by say Wednesday? then the list can be given to the guild before the next RA meeting?
Kendra Bancroft: yes --it does
Sudane Erato: OK
Gwyneth Llewelyn: In the mean time, and off the record, Kendra *does* already have some cost estimates on *some* of the buildings
Kendra Bancroft: yes --and a agreement on the fountain I assume
Pendari: yes
Garnet Psaltery: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes :)
Sudane Erato: yes
Kendra Bancroft: 10K cap on donations --the The Guild gives it to the city
Sudane Erato: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Sudane Erato: shall we adjourn?
Garnet Psaltery: YES!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Sudane Erato: hehe
Pendari: i'm in aye that other agenda items be moved to next meeting =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Do we need to agree as well? ;)
Kendra Bancroft: yeah --I need to strecth my legs before the Gilde meeting
Sudane Erato: yes Pen
Satchmo Prototype: heh can we have some music at the guild meeting :)
Pendari: and personally I expected this meeting to go long being the first one.. hehe.. I think everyone did a great job and I'm so glad the whole RA was here! =)

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NOTECARD PROPOSAL ISSUED:

Neualtenburg Representative Assembly
Notes for Proposed Procedures for Meetings

1) Agenda.
The Leader of the RA (LRA) will determine the agenda for each meeting, and publish it on a notecard before each meeting. It is expected that all members will suggest agenda items, but the LRA will make the final determination. If the membership feels that the LRA has not brought an agenda item to the meeting that they want, a petition agreed to by a majority of all members can insert an agenda item into the list for the next meeting. The LRA at all times determines the order of the agenda.

2) Public proceedings.
All meetings of the RA will be public, and all citizens of Neualtenburg are welcome to attend and participate. Non-citizens are welcome too, but they should listen only, and not speak. If non-member residents disrupt proceedings, they should be subject to actions which may end in being Teleported Home and Banned from Neualtenburg.

3) Voting on Proposed Bills.
The LRA is the chairperson of the proceedings. She/he initiates the topic, and finishes it when she/he decides that discussion is sufficient. A two-thirds majority can override the action of the LRA to finish that discussion topic. At the point of finishing that topic for that meeting, there may be up to 3 polls taken:
1) is the topic ready for a vote?
A) Yes vote now (must be unanimous to vote now) - if No to "vote now" go to B
B) If Yes, vote over 7 days, the topic is referred to the members. The members vote during the seven days immediately following the meeting. The results are published in the forum, along with how each member voted.
If No, then (2) Should the topic be continued?
If No, then the topic is dropped.
If Yes, then (3) do we have enough info to continue?
If Yes, the topic goes onto next weeks agenda.
If No, the topic goes back to the individual or committee which initiated it for further
information.

The purpose of this procedure is to propose that the LRA have some official action or statement which causes all conversation to cease, and for action to be taken. Members must acknowledge and respect such an action. It MUST be understood that the RA has got to accomplish a very substantial amount of activity with the surely limited availability of its members.

4) Committees.
The LRA can create (or propose for creation) committees of members for the purpose of study and information gathering on proposed topics (bills, agenda items of all sorts). Committees will be formed of volunteers, and the LRA will make efforts to ensure that committees contain a balanced range of faction members and positions.

Committee members can be non-members of the RA. Each topic that a committe receives for attention must be brought back to the RA for action, even if the recommendation is to drop it.

5) Public Access to Proposed Bills.
A notecard dispensor, or, even just an object containing notecards, will be placed in a convenient place in the meeting premises (and elsewhere, if people wish), for the purpose of disseminating the information needed for the meeting. This dispensor will contain the Agenda, a copy of each proposed Bill, and supporting materials which members wish to offer for the efficient of discussion of a topic.

6) Published Proceedings.
All proceedings will be recorded and published in the forum.

Proposing a Bill.
7) Any Neualtenburger can propose a bill. The bill should be provided in written form, on a
notecard, to any member of the RA. It is suggested that that member be chosen by the submitter as a supporter of the substance of the bill. Posting the content of the bill on the Neualt forum is also strongly suggested, so that public opinion can be gathered. It is highly suggested that the bill contain two parts: (1) A summary of what is proposed, and (2) a detailed statement of the proposed action and its implications. The members AND the public need to know the issues on what will be a wide variety of matters, and those persons must not be assumed to have a complete understanding of the issues. I.E. The bill should be an educational document. Please!

Considering the Bill.
The member can refer the bill to the relevant committee directly, or, refer the bill
directly to the LRA for inclusion on the Agenda. For the orderly treatment of bills, there
should be a numbering system. A log of all bills, along with their disposition, can be
contained on another notecard in the public dispenser. The LRA can, if they wish, not include the bill on the agenda, but rather send it directly to a committee. The LRA cannot summarily discard any proposed bill. Some grouping of RA members, either committee or the entire, must consider the merits of every bill.

9) Disposing of the Bill.
The committee can, by majority vote, either (1) discard the bill, or (2) after appropriate
discussion and collection of supporting research, give the bill to the LRA for inclusion on the agenda. The LRA determines the Agenda of the meeting (see Procedures for Meetings (1) above). The LRA can, if they wish, persistently omit that bill from the Agenda, but the members can override that action. A committee#s proceedings can be private, and no transcript need be kept. For those whose proposed bills die in committee, an RA member can be acquired to circulate a petition to force consideration of the bill in the RA meeting itself.

Recording the Approved Bill.
10) If the bill is passed, a copy of it will be deposited in a Dispensor in the Rathhaus,
similiar to the one holding the deeds of the City, where all people can examine it. There
should be contained there also an up-to-date list of all passed bills.